How will this impact Off Shore Drilling?

[OzmO]

How will this oil leak rupture the debate on the safety of off shore drilling?

I seem to remember a few heated debates about year ago regarding how off shore drilling have dramatically improved in the last 20 years and that the people (characterized as tree hugging, Al Gore Worshiping, double standard liberals) against off shore drilling were being alarmist.

Can anyone see where this is going?  Will future presidents ban it? 

[OzmO]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/oil.spill.drilling/index.html?hpt=T1


Parish official to Obama: Stop moratorium on drilling

(CNN) -- A Gulf Coast official is pleading with President Barack Obama to scrap the moratorium on new oil drilling and exploration as the investigation of the massive oil spill continues, saying the economic impact to her Louisiana parish would be too much to bear.

Charlotte Randolph, president of LaFourche Parish, said she spoke to Obama in person during his visit to the oil-stricken region Friday.

"I expressed to the president that we are dying because of the oil spill, but if he allows this suspension to happen it will kill us," she told reporters Saturday, noting that her parish has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country.

"First I'm hearing from fisherman who are dying because of the oil spill," she said. "Now I'm hearing from the oil and gas industry and all of those associated services that they will be put out of business."

Obama's tour of the oil damage along the Gulf Coast came a day after he announced steps to limit new oil drilling and exploration during the oil spill. The president said he is "fully engaged" and ultimately responsible for what he called a catastrophe.

The new steps, announced Thursday, were in response to a report on the Gulf spill by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar that Obama ordered last month. Salazar briefed Obama and senior advisers on the report Wednesday night.

Obama said the government would seek aggressive new operating standards and requirements for offshore oil companies. For now, he said, the government was suspending planned oil exploration of two locations off the coast of Alaska, canceling pending lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico and a proposed lease sale off Virginia, and halting for six months the issuance of new permits for deep-water wells.

Obama called the steps part of a broader government response to prevent a similar catastrophe from happening again.

"We'll continue to do whatever is necessary to protect and restore the Gulf coast," Obama said.

[240 is Back]

we'll drill our way outta this mess!


I think we won't know the answer until we know the true effects of this spill.  Is it even stopped?  Is it going to crush ecosystems from here to canada like a 98 Ronnie glute shot?  or will this be just another footnote in a year?

[pro nitrousADRL]

It shouldn't lead to the stopping of off shore drilling. The thing these tree hugging EPA people and liberals forget to mention is that without this drilling, gas prices in America are going to sky rocket. I am not saying there aren't things to be learned from this, and yes BP needs to pay out the ass.  But if your going to put a complete stop to something due to an accident, then you need to stop people from flying, driving, mining, fishing, the police, and every other profession where accidents occur.

[drkaje]

Maybe it's part of some conspiracy to prove we can't live (safely) without Middle Eastern oil.

[pro nitrousADRL]

I bet we could if we closed the boarders, kicked out all illegals, and then let more American sites be open for drilling. While in the mean time we develop OUR OWN green energy and clean burning energy. But that would be too politically correct, and doesn't play into the global government plan of the progressives.

[OzmO]

I bet we could if we closed the boarders, kicked out all illegals, and then let more American sites be open for drilling. While in the mean time we develop OUR OWN green energy and clean burning energy. But that would be too politically correct, and doesn't play into the global government plan of the progressives.

No that's just too politically competent  lol

[OzmO]

It shouldn't lead to the stopping of off shore drilling. The thing these tree hugging EPA people and liberals forget to mention is that without this drilling, gas prices in America are going to sky rocket. I am not saying there aren't things to be learned from this, and yes BP needs to pay out the ass.  But if your going to put a complete stop to something due to an accident, then you need to stop people from flying, driving, mining, fishing, the police, and every other profession where accidents occur.

While it "shouldn't" lead to a stoppage in off shore drilling, i can't help but think that any debate on this will always involve what happened here as an argument against Off shore drilling the proponents will find hard to deal with.  And in fact I wouldn't be surprised if off shore drilling goes the way of nuclear energy for sometime. 

[pro nitrousADRL]

I agree,  what happened in the gulf should be used in any debate, hopefully these companies will learn a shit load from what happened and this will lead to a more productive debate which intern will lead to a safer and maybe more efficient drilling process. I just hope the fed, and the companies actually learn something rather than just point the finger and pass blame, this will only lead to more faulty policies and disasters.

[ToxicAvenger]

seems like an appropriate enough place to post this

[Hugo Chavez]

seems like an appropriate enough place to post this

Stan did a lot to get people interested, but there are actually way more efficient HHO cells being created today than what Stan did.  Many creating several liters of HHO per minute.  I'm not an expert but I do play with this stuff on a regular basis.  It didn't take me long to see that the energy released in the combustion of hydrogen might be more than the energy required to split water.

Here is a video of someone showing this concept.  This video shows that even a slightly modified gas engine can run off of water.

Now so far the major problem people have had trying this concept is that Hydrogen is an extremely fast burning fuel.  It burns way faster than gas.  So you can't just put hydrogen into an internal gas combustion engine and expect it to go fine.  What you will get by doing so is an engine that sputters and struggles to barely go.  The reasons should be obvious.  So you must adjusts for Hydrogen's quicker burn.  That requires adjusting almost everything but by far not an impossible concept and should be easy to messure and implement. Obviously some stainless steel parts will be required, but all this is nothing and very doeable.

[24KT]

Now so far the major problem people have had trying this concept is that Hydrogen is an extremely fast burning fuel.  It burns way faster than gas.  So you can't just put hydrogen into an internal gas combustion engine and expect it to go fine.  What you will get by doing so is an engine that sputters and struggles to barely go.  The reasons should be obvious.  So you must adjusts for Hydrogen's quicker burn.  That requires adjusting almost everything but by far not an impossible concept and should be easy to messure and implement. Obviously some stainless steel parts will be required, but all this is nothing and very doeable.

This is both how & why the mpg caps are so effective when it comes to reducing emissions and increasing mpg.
When mixed with the fuel, it acts like a hydrogen fuse, speeding up the burn rate of the entire fuel mixture. As a result of the quicker burn time, more of an explosion occurs during the power stroke of the piston resulting in more more power to the engine, and a reduction in such harmful emissions like NO_X because the quicker burn rate doesn't give NO_X the opportunity to form. The more thorough burn rate simply means more fuel being used to actually power the engine, rather than exiting from the vehicle in the form of unburned hydrocarbons.

[Hugo Chavez]

This is both how & why the mpg caps are so effective when it comes to reducing emissions and increasing mpg.
When mixed with the fuel, it acts like a hydrogen fuse, speeding up the burn rate of the entire fuel mixture. As a result of the quicker burn time, more of an explosion occurs during the power stroke of the piston resulting in more more power to the engine, and a reduction in such harmful emissions like NO_X because the quicker burn rate doesn't give NO_X the opportunity to form. The more thorough burn rate simply means more fuel being used to actually power the engine, rather than exiting from the vehicle in the form of unburned hydrocarbons.

Jag... stop...  nothing can act like hydrogen.  Only hydrogen can act like hydrogen.  We're really talking about two different things.  You're talking about something that increases the total combustion of gas which hydrogen can do and maybe your gas caps can do to some extent but I don't know that and that's a different topic.  What I was replying to is the use of HHO or even pure H as a fuel source by itself.  Now I know that concept leaves you shit out of luck along with the oil companies but welll... sorry  Neither of us were talking about an additive, we're talking about a fuel other than gas.

(luke could nail me on something I just said so I'll explain my thinking further if needed...)

[24KT]

Jag... stop...  nothing can act like hydrogen.  Only hydrogen can act like hydrogen.  We're really talking about two different things.  You're talking about something that increases the total combustion of gas which hydrogen can do and maybe your gas caps can do to some extent but I don't know that and that's a different topic.  What I was replying to is the use of HHO or even pure H as a fuel source by itself.  Now I know that concept leaves you shit out of luck along with the oil companies but welll... sorry   Neither of us were talking about an additive, we're talking about a fuel other than gas.

No we're not talking two different things. I'm not entirely sure how it does it, but my understanding is the mpg caps break off the free hydrogen in the fuel, resulting in a hydrogen fuse that speeds up the burn rate of the entire mixture.

I would assume one would see the same emission reduction from using hydrogen.

Interestingly enough... water is even more expensive than gasoline. Anyone consider that? 

[Hugo Chavez]

No we're not talking two different things. I'm not entirely sure how it does it, but my understanding is the mpg caps break off the free hydrogen in the fuel, resulting in a hydrogen fuse that speeds up the burn rate of the entire mixture.

I would assume one would see the same emission reduction from using hydrogen.

Interestingly enough... water is even more expensive than gasoline. Anyone consider that?  

No, we are talking about two different things.  You're talking about using hydrogen as a catalyst for a more efficient gas burn.  Toxic and I are talking about the use of hydrogen as a stand alone fuel.  They are two different subjects, really....  

PS. Water is NOT more expensive than gas unless you're buying it bottled from a convenient store.

[Parker]

It shouldn't lead to the stopping of off shore drilling. The thing these tree hugging EPA people and liberals forget to mention is that without this drilling, gas prices in America are going to sky rocket. I am not saying there aren't things to be learned from this, and yes BP needs to pay out the ass.  But if your going to put a complete stop to something due to an accident, then you need to stop people from flying, driving, mining, fishing, the police, and every other profession where accidents occur.

What it should lead to is a very, very aggressive campaign for alternative fuels. Kinda ironic how BP and alot of oil companies have bought up ideas, or research that was being done on alternative fuels in order to stifle them---competition, and now this happens, due to them not having the right protocols for drilling this deep.

[ToxicAvenger]

Now so far the major problem people have had trying this concept is that Hydrogen is an extremely fast burning fuel.  It burns way faster than gas.  So you can't just put hydrogen into an internal gas combustion engine and expect it to go fine.  What you will get by doing so is an engine that sputters and struggles to barely go.  The reasons should be obvious.  So you must adjusts for Hydrogen's quicker burn.  

never thought of it that way...

so i went and did a little googling to see if there r heavier hydrogens available...yanno..just add neutrons...and voila!
http://www.aboutnuclear.org/view.cgi?fC=The_Atom,Structure_of_the_Atom

there is hydrogen 2 deuterium and hydrogen 3

and then i went to check if hydrogen 2 is combustable and it is

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=deuterium+conbustable&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

just thoughts!


my breakfast is ready ..otherwise i'd have gone looked at the combustion rates etc...

[24KT]

No, we are talking about two different things.  You're talking about using hydrogen as a catalyst for a more efficient gas burn.  Toxic and I are talking about the use of hydrogen as a stand alone fuel.  They are two different subjects, really....  

OK, I suppose in that sense you're right and they are two different things.

PS. Water is NOT more expensive than gas unless you're buying it bottled from a convenient store.

How else are you gonna get it without all the mineral deposits? 

[ToxicAvenger]

eggs n turkey bacon sammich with her special blend of sauce...strawberries and homemade strawberry jam creps...

man the girl can cook 

[ToxicAvenger]

How else are you gonna get it without all the mineral deposits? 

distilled water is actually not all that expensive....

[24KT]

Not to change the subject, ...but I just thought of the thread title, ...and another question occurred to me...


How will this affect the price of gas?  

Surely with this well spewing fuel for months, and a moratorium on further exploration, ...not to mention the huge payouts BP will have to provide, won't the oil companies use this as an excuse to raise prices... claiming scarcity of supply? Alberta will surely have to pick up the slack, and extracting oil from tar sands is an extremely expensive process...  might be time to bend over again...  and pray they use KY this time

[24KT]

distilled water is actually not all that expensive....

Not now it's not, ...but get a few hundred thousand or tens of millions of vehicles running on it and we'll see... 

[240 is Back]

They should find a way to run a car on white liberal guilt.  They would make the car small and pink and come with an Obama 2012 sticker painted on the bumper.

To keep things fair, they would design a truck (camoflagued color) that runs on misplaced tax anger.  The more $ you save under the Obama tax plan compared to a year ago, the better MPG you see.   This model would be available in either the Palin or Bachmann 2012 versions, and the shotgun rack would already come pre-Mossberg'd.  The Bachmann version would just keep running for hours, but the Palin model would always quit after you are 65% to your destination.

[24KT]

They should find a way to run a car on white liberal guilt.  They would make the car small and pink and come with an obama 2012 sticker painted on the bumper.

To keep things fair, they should design a truck (camoflagued color) that runs on misplaced tax anger.  The more $ you save under the Obama tax plan than a year ago, the better MPG you see.   This model would be available in either the Palin or Bachmann 2012 versions, and the shotgun rack would already come pre-Mossberg'd.  The Bachmann version would just keep running for hours, but the Palin model would always quit after you are 65% to your destination.

You are such a little shit! Where did you learn your technique... supply teaching? {shakes head in disbelief}
I don't think I ever met a person who so thoroughly knew how to get under people's skin with just enough sting to bug the crap out of them, ...but not enough to make them want to hurt you. It's a very delicate balance you've seemed to master quite well. You've risen it to almost an art form.

[ToxicAvenger]

Not now it's not, ...but get a few hundred thousand or tens of millions of vehicles running on it and we'll see... 

actually big distilled water plants deliver millions of gallons of distilled water to hundreds of thousands of labs every day...

besides....an initial 5k invenstment with solar panels and you could distill all the water you want at home for free for life