Layne Norton 16 weeks out

[#1 Klaus fan]

Layne has gotten where he's gotten because he eats and sleeps bodybuilding.  He's earned his PHD in Nutritional Science so he obviously knows what he needs to put in his body to get results.

As far as him being natural...I had my doubts years ago but after seeing what he does and what he actually looks like, its obvious that he's done it without any steroids.  He is not as big as most people think because they've never met him in person or walked by him at the Scivation booth.  

Shame that there are some people that are jealous of this guy but that's what trolls and haters do best

If he's natural he will soon be the first natural to deadlift 900 pounds raw, or then be the first natural human being to peak his maximum strength in his 20's. I wonder which it will be...

[mwbbuilder]

increased and not pumped vascularity ,fullness to traps and delts especially fr delts ,forearms thicken from just anything not even training them directly,face fills out to match thicker roid neck,if u see somebody who used and then cleaned out ,the face gets a less bloated and hbp look and neck and trap slim down considerably.if u have a bick neck to begin with then the change is less dramatic.you can go on and on.

valscuality = degree of leanness--pump or no pump. (Even distance runners have vasculaity because they are lean).

fullness of traps = heavy lifting

delts = being very lean can create the illusion of size. you can't tell how much muscle a person has from pictures.

face fills out = simply being "regular" degree of leanness versus getting extremely lean for a contest. Whoever you consider a "real" natural will have the same variance.

forearm size = heavy lifting and continually gripping that heavy weight

Heavy lifting for a long period of time will indirectly build the traps and forearms with all of those constant lifting and pulling movements.

Everything you've noted can be accomplished by a very good, dedicated natural bodybuilder who has some years of training under his belt--but certainly much easier for just an average bodybuilder who uses drugs and hasn't been training very long.

I'm not saying he is or he isn't with my above statement. All I am saying is that your tell-tale signs are inconclusive.

[njflex]

valscuality = degree of leanness--pump or no pump. (Even distance runners have vasculaity because they are lean).

fullness of traps = heavy lifting

delts = being very lean can create the illusion of size. you can't tell how much muscle a person has from pictures.

face fills out = simply being "regular" degree of leanness versus getting extremely lean for a contest. Whosoever you consider a "real" natural with have the same variance.

forearm size = heavy lifting and continually grip that heavy weight

Heavy lifting for a long period of time with indirect build the traps and forearms with all of those constant lifting and pulling movements.

Everything you've noted can be accomplish by a very good, dedicated natural bodybuilder who has some years of training under his belt--but certainly much easier for just an average bodybuilder who uses drugs and hasn't been training very long.

I'm not saying he is or he isn't with my above statement. All I am saying is that you tell-tale signs are inconclusive.

ok,,,but someone who goes from clean to using gets a different degree of thickness to the above stated and rather quickly,then the same when coming off.yes of course clean or former users have  a strong or thick look.but not to the degree that is apparent as a  user .

[dj181]

I always thought that the sause really filled out the delts and the arms? It seems that most pros have more mass and size on their triceps than they do on their pecs, and it shouldn't be that way, since the pecs are larger than the triceps speaking in absolute terms.

[Palpatine Q]

I agree with NJ 100%

there are tell tale signs......the forearms being the one that really stands out for me, they have that thick, piece of meat look all the way up the extensors......you see very very few natties with that no matter big they are

[gh15]

for general education purposes,, pick up pen and paper and copy down,,

suspension
halotestin
letrozole

he uses it in a timely manner aka correct use of dose and drug,, he is casrful because he want to make money from natural bodybuilding,,

as gh15 said before THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYBUILDING INFACT THERE IS NOT EVEN CLEAN BODYBUILDING,,natural bodybuilding belongs in the pre 1950s,,even golf players medicate their ass right and left so you think a lifter wont? why would he even go in trhe gym to lift heavy weight?? who in their right mind step on stage natural in 2010?

the whole physiqe you see in the picture is a physiqe we call in bodybuillding lack of thicknes due to not enough long esters in the system,,you usually get this type of physiqe while using very short ester compounds some esterless compounds and tablets,,they are very fast to leave system and only create enough illusion to last for a very short time of intake,,it is  very good for drug tests and if done correctly and not over dosed ,,if timed correctly you can achieve a good natural physiqe like he did,,his genetic respond is very very average and his frame is not good,,he has dispiline and the right approach to a drugged up natural physiqe ,,this is how it should be done

gh15 approved

[Ursus]

I agree with NJ 100%

there are tell tale signs......the forearms being the one that really stands out for me, they have that thick, piece of meat look all the way up the extensors......you see very very few natties with that no matter big they are

My forearms are huge. Though they were alwyas very big even before I trained. Now I don't evn use straps or gloves when I train. Just good old chalk!

[devilsmile]

true dat.......you gotta understand why these nuthuggers defend layne SO vigorously............it s not cause of layne............its cause THEY want SO badly to believe that THEY could build a physique similar to layne's naturally


so when you rip on layne in these threads........your essentially crushing the spirit of these twinks who dream of building an elite level physique on the "celltech/nitrotech hardcore stack" 

doesn't groink have 3 times the mass of layne claiming himself to be natural aswell  ... DERRR!

and aren't prohormones leagal in america? So that means if you use prohormones you are natural prety much because you aren't using illeagal substances, great.

[saucetradomous]

The jealousy runs high in this thread

[Krankenstein]

for general education purposes,, pick up pen and paper and copy down,,

suspension
halotestin
letrozole

he uses it in a timely manner aka correct use of dose and drug,, he is casrful because he want to make money from natural bodybuilding,,

as gh15 said before THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYBUILDING INFACT THERE IS NOT EVEN CLEAN BODYBUILDING,,natural bodybuilding belongs in the pre 1950s,,even golf players medicate their ass right and left so you think a lifter wont? why would he even go in trhe gym to lift heavy weight?? who in their right mind step on stage natural in 2010?

the whole physiqe you see in the picture is a physiqe we call in bodybuillding lack of thicknes due to not enough long esters in the system,,you usually get this type of physiqe while using very short ester compounds some esterless compounds and tablets,,they are very fast to leave system and only create enough illusion to last for a very short time of intake,,it is  very good for drug tests and if done correctly and not over dosed ,,if timed correctly you can achieve a good natural physiqe like he did,,his genetic respond is very very average and his frame is not good,,he has dispiline and the right approach to a drugged up natural physiqe ,,this is how it should be done

gh15 approved

gh15 is quite the douche....

DF4L approved

The jealousy runs high in this thread

x1,000,000,000

[bigkid]

gh15 is quite the douche....

DF4L approved

x1,000,000,000

He also said Trey Brewer wouldn't be over 200 lbs without juice.  Treys on a shitload of stuff now, but you can tell he's a big kid naturally.  He's got a big, thick frame.  gh15 is a joke

[Palpatine Q]

Did you ever think that maybe i have better genetics than Layne for putting on muscle ?  I know, I know....he's LAYNE NORTON and im just some douche on a BBing board, so it cant be possible right ??

Here's the thing...we are all just people here and because he makes a name for himself and diets and shoots vids doesn't make him any better.

The dude is stronger than i am by far, and that is impressive.....but his BBing potential is nothing great  IMO

[leadhead]

increased and not pumped vascularity ,fullness to traps and delts especially fr delts ,forearms thicken from just anything not even training them directly,face fills out to match thicker roid neck,if u see somebody who used and then cleaned out ,the face gets a less bloated and hbp look and neck and trap slim down considerably.if u have a bick neck to begin with then the change is less dramatic.you can go on and on.

Spot-on assessment. If someone doesn't think he's using they're delusional. First thing my wife noticed when I went clean for good (6 yrs ago) was my forearms, traps and neck slimmed quickly.

[gh15]

what gh15 said was that the fat kid brower will be 195lb at 15% with no hormones in the system for 2 years,,it will never happen even now he is on lots of test and just saw he cant do nothing in bodybuilding and went home,,kid wasnt meant for bodybuilding,,gh15 is NEVER wrong!

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Spot-on assessment. If someone doesn't think he's using they're delusional. First thing my wife noticed when I went clean for good (6 yrs ago) was my forearms, traps and neck slimmed quickly.

very good and approved,,
no hormones = no thickness of traps ,,no thickness of forarms and no thickness of delts,,
and not any hormone!,, you need TESTOSTERONE FOR THE THICKNESS TO HAPPEN AND ONLY TESTOSTERONE WILL CREATE IT

gh15 approved

[~UN_$ung~]

doesn't groink have 3 times the mass of layne claiming himself to be natural aswell  ... DERRR!

and aren't prohormones leagal in america? So that means if you use prohormones you are natural prety much because you aren't using illeagal substances, great.

YOU are NOT a smart boy


its not LEGALITY that defines a "natural" bodybuilder..........the re was a time not that long ago that actual conventional steroids like winny and primobolon were legal.......if one used these compounds during this time, were they natural .


and "pro-hormones" is really just codespeak for "pro-STEROIDS"............they change a carbon ester here  or there, but you body converts them to conventional compounds the minute they hit your system............someon e who uses these coumpounds is NOT a natural bodybuilder


you should refrain from participating in conversations here-to-fore, you just embarrass yourself

The jealousy runs high in this thread

and you, you little dick-blower hanging on layne norton's ballbag


no one here is jealous of him.............he is an attertion whore who, sluts himself all over every corner of the internet saying he is a natural bodybuilder

the only problem is, he is no longer a natural bodybuilder..........sto p defending him, you will NEVER look any more muscular then a swimmer, adn sucking layne nortons cock wont change that

when people lie..........others in the know call them out on it..........he is a liar,,,,,,,,,,,,you are a f@ggot without dignity

[devilsmile]

YOU are NOT a smart boy


its not LEGALITY that defines a "natural" bodybuilder..........the re was a time not that long ago that actual conventional steroids like winny and primobolon were legal.......if one used these compounds during this time, were they natural .


and "pro-hormones" is really just codespeak for "pro-STEROIDS"............they change a carbon ester here  or there, but you body converts them to conventional compounds the minute they hit your system............someon e who uses these coumpounds is NOT a natural bodybuilder


you should refrain from participating in conversations here-to-fore, you just embarrass yourself

What a self ownage, you should have known as a "smart man" that I was being sarcastic... lol what a stupid post , better luck next time, hot shot

[saucetradomous]

and you, you little dick-blower hanging on layne norton's ballbag


no one here is jealous of him.............he is an attertion whore who, sluts himself all over every corner of the internet saying he is a natural bodybuilder

the only problem is, he is no longer a natural bodybuilder..........sto p defending him, you will NEVER look any more muscular then a swimmer, adn sucking layne nortons cock wont change that

when people lie..........others in the know call them out on it..........he is a liar,,,,,,,,,,,,you are a f@ggot without dignity

This demonstrates the jealousy perfectly... MELTDOWN

I am a natural and I believe I have a better physique then Norton but just like Groink I cannot lift anything near what he does... Sure you can question whether or not he's using but if your automatic response is calling him "A liar" then you yourself have poor genetic end of story.

[MindSpin]

It is absolutely laughable that people believe this guy is not using any kind of chemical enhancements.  Thank goodness for the dumb and gullible.  They help the rest of us get fucking rich!

[jtsunami]

He also said Trey Brewer wouldn't be over 200 lbs without juice.  Treys on a shitload of stuff now, but you can tell he's a big kid naturally.  He's got a big, thick frame.  gh15 is a joke

sure Tom Prince was a big guy too, now look at him without roids.

[saucetradomous]

It is absolutely laughable that people believe this guy is not using any kind of chemical enhancements.  Thank goodness for the dumb and gullible.  They help the rest of us get fucking rich!

Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well.  Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw

[WillGrant]

Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well.  Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw

Contradiction in this post 

[saucetradomous]

Contradiction in this post  

by sub par I meant by decent amateur standards, he was a competitive bodybuilder who got to about 200lbs cut? nothing special for a drug user.  He's lean now, I'm wondering if since dropping down in size does he actually require the assistance of drugs to achieve his current look.

[njflex]

Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well.  Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw

bro u have been a very good contributer to this board,and have a very good build,mindspin twists it up here,but calling his "peak drug build"subpar is way off,u seen his old pics he had a very classic 90's up and coming build and if he stayed the course and put more substances into it he could have been national level.

[saucetradomous]

bro u have been a very good contributer to this board,and have a very good build,mindspin twists it up here,but calling his "peak drug build"subpar is way off,u seen his old pics he had a very classic 90's up and coming build and if he stayed the course and put more substances into it he could have been national level.

Yeah I know he looked good but he had nowhere near the size you need to be at the highest level even with the drugs