Legalized Marijuana and the Crime Question

[StreetSoldier4U]

Hahaha...Beach Bum was so anxious to oppose me, he didn't realize we were effectively in agreement when I made the first post in this thread.

Then you and SS4U couldn't resist joining the routine, and the comedy fell right into place.

Too bad it's such a serious subject.

What a pathetic attempt at making yourself feel better.   What a fragile ego you must have.  You are an awful debater.

[Jack T. Cross]

Hahaha...you twats haven't said a single word about the topic since you've been on the thread.

What does that say about yourselves?

[StreetSoldier4U]

Hahaha...you twats haven't said a single word about the topic since you've been on the thread.

What does that say about yourselves?

Get over yourself. You got called on your antics and no one can take you seriously.

[Jack T. Cross]

It's right here to be read by anyone that's interested or bored, lol

[OzmO]

It's right here to be read by anyone that's interested or bored, lol

yet you can't read up and comment even though you claim to have read the thread....


scared?

Delusional?

Unable?

[Jack T. Cross]

yet you can't read up and comment even though you claim to have read the thread....


scared?

Delusional?

Unable?

I don't know if you're being serious, Oz, but just state your case if you've got a problem with anything I've said. Do it.

[OzmO]

I don't know if you're being serious, Oz, but just state your case if you've got a problem with anything I've said. Do it.

Already have.   Were you lying when you claimed you have read the thread as it developed?

Dishonest much?

Scared?

[Jack T. Cross]

Already have.   Were you lying when you claimed you have read the thread as it developed?

Dishonest much?

Scared?

Fuck this, Oz. Come over to the missing airliner thread and give your thoughts.

[OzmO]

Fuck this, Oz. Come over to the missing airliner thread and give your thoughts.

Have you been reading this thread as it developed or have you been lying?

Because if you had been doing as you say you would easily know.

Lie much?

Scared?

Or just not a very honest person in this particular instance?

Which thread?

[RRKore]

This probably deserves its own thread:

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/14/colorado-court-somepotcasescanbeoverturned.html

Colorado court rules some pot convictions can be overturned

March 14, 2014 6:30PM ET
Judges say law legalizing marijuana in state can be applied retroactively; attorney general plans to appeal


The ruling could affect hundreds of people who were given jail terms for petty marijuana possession, and some inmates could be released, said one of the law's authors. Rick Wilking/Reuters

Some Colorado residents convicted of possessing small amounts of marijuana can ask for their convictions to be overturned because of the state’s recent legalization of the drug, its second-highest court ruled Thursday. The decision has prompted a firestorm of criticism from opponents of marijuana legalization, including the state’s attorney general.

In a unanimous ruling, a three-judge panel of the Colorado Court of Appeals found that a woman whose 2011 conviction for possessing cannabis had been under appeal was entitled to have her sentence and conviction overturned because of a "significant change in the law."

Colorado’s Amendment 64, which decriminalized the possession of an ounce or less of marijuana, took effect in December 2012.

The panel agreed with defense attorneys who argued that the marijuana law should be applied retroactively. While noting that laws generally are forward-looking, the judges said there were some legal exceptions.

"The general presumption of prospective application, however, is subject to a doctrine established by our General Assembly and Supreme Court enabling a defendant to benefit retroactively from a significant change in the law," Judge Mary Hoak wrote in the 16-page opinion.

The ruling could affect hundreds of people who were given jail terms for petty marijuana possession, and some inmates could be released, said Brian Vicente, one of the amendment's authors. "This is a huge victory," he said.

Vicente said Colorado prosecuted as many as 9,000 cases a year for marijuana possession. After it was decriminalized, a number of appeals were still in the courts.

The ruling came in the case of Brandi Jessica Russell, who was convicted in Grand County of possessing one gram or less of methamphetamine, possession of marijuana concentrate and possession of less than an ounce of marijuana.

Her attorney, Brian Emeson, said Thursday that the ruling is another indication the "tide is turning" on the nationwide attitude toward possession of small amounts of pot.

Emeson said he still handles a number of marijuana appeals, which shows prosecutors have not backed off.

"This ruling shows it would be wise for them to focus on more pressing matters," he said.
Sparking controversy

Colorado Attorney General John Suthers issued a statement on Thursday announcing plans to appeal the ruling because of the implications it could have on other cases not involving marijuana. Suthers’ main argument is that the ruling does not apply to previous convictions because the amendment legalizing marijuana in the state does not specifically say it can be applied retroactively.

More at link.

[Dos Equis]

Some Colorado Marijuana Arrestees Might be Able to Overturn Their Convictions
by FUSION LIVE @FusionLiveTV Posted 03/26/2014, 09:46AM
Updated 03/26/2014

Two months ago on The Cannabusiness Report, we did a segment about the fact that even though marijuana is legal in Colorado, there are still thousands of inmates serving time for weed convictions. But it looks like that's about to change. As a result of a recent Colorado Court of Appeals ruling, as many as 10,000 marijuana convictions could now potentially be overturned. In this segment, we discuss the situation with social justice journalist Matt Fleischer, as well as Patrick Mulligan, an attorney from Denver who is working to overturn marijuana convictions.

http://fusion.net/Culture/video/overturning-colorado-marijuana-convictions-536921

[OzmO]

Some Colorado Marijuana Arrestees Might be Able to Overturn Their Convictions
by FUSION LIVE @FusionLiveTV Posted 03/26/2014, 09:46AM
Updated 03/26/2014

Two months ago on The Cannabusiness Report, we did a segment about the fact that even though marijuana is legal in Colorado, there are still thousands of inmates serving time for weed convictions. But it looks like that's about to change. As a result of a recent Colorado Court of Appeals ruling, as many as 10,000 marijuana convictions could now potentially be overturned. In this segment, we discuss the situation with social justice journalist Matt Fleischer, as well as Patrick Mulligan, an attorney from Denver who is working to overturn marijuana convictions.

http://fusion.net/Culture/video/overturning-colorado-marijuana-convictions-536921

all for it

[Necrosis]

when alcohol is legal and weed is not, you know something is wrong.

[Dos Equis]

Poll: Nationwide Marijuana Legalization Inevitable
Wednesday, 02 Apr 2014

Nationwide marijuana legalization seems inevitable to three-fourths of Americans, whether they support it or not, according to a new poll out Wednesday.

The Pew Research Center survey on the nation's shifting attitudes about drug policy also showed increased support for moving away from mandatory sentences for non-violent drug offenders.

The telephone survey found that 75 percent of respondents — including majorities of both supporters and opponents of legal marijuana— think that the sale and use of pot eventually will be legal nationwide. It was the first time that question had been asked.

Some 39 percent of respondents said pot should be legal for personal adult use. Forty-four percent of those surveyed said it should be legal only for medicinal use. Just 16 percent said it should not be legal at all.

The responses come as two states have legalized recreational marijuana, with more than 20 states and Washington D.C. allowing some medical use of the drug.

"It's just a matter of time before it's in more states," said Steve Pratley of Denver, a 51-year-old pipefitter who voted for legalization in Colorado in 2012.

Pratley, who did not participate in the Pew survey, agreed with 76 percent of respondents who said people who use small amounts of marijuana shouldn't go to jail.

"If marijuana isn't legalized, it fills up the jails, and that's just stupid," Pratley said.

Legalization opponents, however, drew a distinction between making pot legal for all and thinking that pot users belong in jail.

"It's an illegal drug, period. I don't see it spreading," said Laura Sanchez, a 55-year-old retiree in Denver who voted against legalization. She agreed that pot smokers don't belong in jail, but she disagreed with legalization.

"I've seen no proof that it's good for anybody," said Sanchez, who also did not participate in the survey.

The poll suggested that despite shifting attitudes on legalization, the public remains concerned about drug abuse, with 32 percent of those surveyed calling it a crisis and 55 percent of respondents viewing it as a serious national problem.

And a narrow majority, 54 percent, said that marijuana legalization would lead to more underage people trying it.

As for mandatory minimum sentences, public attitudes have been shifting for years.

In 2001, the survey was about evenly divided on whether it was a good thing or bad thing for states to move away from mandatory minimum sentences for non-violent drug offenders. In 2014, poll respondents favored the move by a nearly 2-to-1 margin, or 63 percent to 32 percent. The other 5 percent either didn't respond or said they didn't know.

Public officials are well aware of the public's shifting attitudes on drug penalties.

Just last month, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified in support of proposed sentence reductions for some non-violent drug traffickers in an effort to reserve the "the harshest penalties for the most serious drug offenders."

"Certain types of cases result in too many Americans going to prison for too long, and at times for no truly good public safety reason," Holder said last month at the U.S. Sentencing Commission.

Drug legalization activists said the Pew results come as no surprise.

"We see a growing bipartisan recognition that mandatory minimums went too far and did more harm than good," said Ethan Nadelmann, head of the Washington-based Drug Policy Alliance, which opposes criminal penalties for non-violent drug users.

Marijuana legalization opponents saw signs of hope in the survey, too.

Kevin Sabet, co-founder of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, which opposes pot legalization, pointed to the fact that 63 percent said it would bother them if people used marijuana openly in their neighborhood.

"Saying that we don't want people to serve prison time for marijuana is very different from saying I want a pot shop in my neighborhood selling cookies and candies and putting coupons in the paper," Sabet said.

The poll of 1,821 adults was conducted Feb. 14-23. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/marijuana-legalization-poll/2014/04/02/id/563248#ixzz2xkShIZZV

[Dos Equis]

Wyoming college student ate marijuana cookie before fatal fall
Published April 03, 2014
Associated Press

The Denver coroner says an exchange student from Wyoming fell to his death after eating a marijuana cookie.

Nineteen-year-old Levy Thamba died after falling from the balcony of a Denver hotel on March 11. An autopsy report released Wednesday says he died from the fall but also lists "marijuana intoxication" as a contributing factor in his death.

Officials at Northwest College in Powell, Wyo. say Thamba, a native of the Republic of Congo, started taking classes there as an exchange student in January.

His death is the first publicized fatality since recreational marijuana sales became legal in Colorado in January. Police have not released the findings of their investigation.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/03/wyoming-college-student-ate-marijuana-cookie-before-fatal-fall/?intcmp=latestnews

[Dos Equis]

Christie: 'I'll consider' edible medical marijuana for adults
Posted by
CNN's Ashley Killough and Steve Kastenbaum

Sayreville, New Jersey (CNN) - Gov. Chris Christie said Thursday he's willing to think about legalizing medical marijuana in edible form for patients above the age of 18.

"If there becomes a large adult population that needs this type of edible (marijuana), I'll consider it," the New Jersey Republican said at a town hall in Sayreville.

While some forms of medical marijuana were already legal, Christie signed a bill last year that allows dispensaries to sell edible marijuana - but only to minors who have the approval of both a psychiatrist and a physician.

The governor said so far no one has presented the case that there's a large enough adult demand for edible marijuana. But if enough evidence is presented and the legislature sends him a bill, he said, "I'll sign it."

His answer came as a response to a question from Jennie Storms, a pediatric registered nurse who identifies herself as a cannabis advocate and activist. Her 14-year-old son suffers from a rare form of epilepsy known as Dravet Syndrome.

Storms, whose story has previously been featured on CNN, said she's concerned that once her son turns 18, he won't be able to get marijuana treatment in the edible form that he needs, as he's unable to smoke.

"Can you explain why? Why did you say minors only? There are disabled 24-year-olds with epilepsy who have a mental age of five," she said. "They can't eat. They can't smoke…Those on hospice with oxygen, if they smoke, if they vaporize, they'll blow themselves up."

Storms and Christie carried on a civil argument for 10 minutes, as she continued to press him on the subject. Questions about medical marijuana have become common at his weekly town halls the past few months.

The governor, a staunch opponent of non-medicinal pot, warned he's not going to permit marijuana laws to get "bigger and bigger and bigger so that what slides through (are) people who are using it for recreational purposes, not truly medical purposes."

At town halls, he frequently warns that expanded laws could lead to a "slippery slope" of legalized marijuana, like recently passed laws in Colorado and Washington State.

"I'm not going to turn our state into a place for people to fly into to get high," he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/03/christie-ill-consider-edible-medical-marijuana-for-adults/

[Necrosis]

HAHAHA, a fat slob would select edibles, these fucking guys man.

It's nature you morons, it grows without any input from humans, we have a symbiotic relationship with it and if anyone here knows how to navigate pubmed the literature is astounding.

It does the following
Potent anti-cancer (CBD)
Increases serotonin (ocd and aggression)
Lowers anadamide levels and treats ADHD
Treats nausea and chronic pain
Treats MS/PARKISONS/ALZ
The USA has a patent for neuroprotection (it improves brain function and decreases tau tangles and Beta amyloid plaques)_
It lowers glutamate in the limbic system(tics, tourettes, compulsive disorders)
is a potent brochodialator
Has been shown to help migraines, significantly so.

It is literally a wonder drug, you have all been lied too. I would know,I have literally read every paper related to health on the subject, there are literally no side effects when done appropriately and the addiction is on par with coffee as is the intoxication.

It is the number one medicinal substance in the world, no other compound has all of these benefits and robustly so.

[Dos Equis]

HAHAHA, a fat slob would select edibles, these fucking guys man.

It's nature you morons, it grows without any input from humans, we have a symbiotic relationship with it and if anyone here knows how to navigate pubmed the literature is astounding.

It does the following
Potent anti-cancer (CBD)
Increases serotonin (ocd and aggression)
Lowers anadamide levels and treats ADHD
Treats nausea and chronic pain
Treats MS/PARKISONS/ALZ
The USA has a patent for neuroprotection (it improves brain function and decreases tau tangles and Beta amyloid plaques)_
It lowers glutamate in the limbic system(tics, tourettes, compulsive disorders)
is a potent brochodialator
Has been shown to help migraines, significantly so.

It is literally a wonder drug, you have all been lied too. I would know,I have literally read every paper related to health on the subject, there are literally no side effects when done appropriately and the addiction is on par with coffee as is the intoxication.

It is the number one medicinal substance in the world, no other compound has all of these benefits and robustly so.

What are the negative side-effects? 

[Necrosis]

What are the negative side-effects? 

Negative effects are generally dose dependent. At low doses you get increased serotonin, high doses dramatically alter it resulting in anxiety/panic/obsessive thoughts etc. That again, dissipates with tolerance and these reactions are rare when followed medically.

The combustion of the leaf is an issue, however, the data indicate that MJ's anti cancer negates this. vaporization or edibles alter this. Eating weed is probably the most medicinal, it's psychoactivity is higher (the liver makes a stronger version of THC that you don't get from smoking) but onset much slower and most side effects such as anxiety are negligible. It also is addictive physically and mentally if used in significant quantities over time. It has a mild withdrawal syndrome, similar to nicotine.

High doses can worsen depression, those prone to schizophrenia should not take it as it can trigger psychosis. However, this only occurs in those with precipitating factors and genes for schizophrenia.

The other issue that pops up with the side effect question is that it really depends on the strain. for example THC is physchoactive, it gets you high, but Cannabidiol is not, however, it's an anxiolytic, epileptilytic, excellent for pain and appears to induce apoptosis in cancer cells (makes them go emo and suicide).

So with indicas(CBD heavy), you can get sedation, fatigue, lethargy large increases in appetite

With sativa's you can get anxiety, paranoia, racing thoughts and panic reactions.

Long term, there are no consequences if you start in adult hood, we have pretty conclusive evidence that weed alters the development of the young brain. This is because Anadamide(analgolous to endorphins) has a huge role in brain development. One other issue is that you will probably cease dreaming as anadamide controls this intimately and smoking would downregulate production of this neuropeptide, what consequence does that have? likely nothing, a lot of stuff alters sleep architecture.

It's toxicity is zero, almost literally.

[RRKore]

...
Eating weed is probably the most medicinal, it's psychoactivity is higher (the liver makes a stronger version of THC that you don't get from smoking) but...
...

Interesting!!  I've never read this before but it totally squares with my personal experience.  I was once given a large brownie and told to only eat half but I ate all of it and it ended up making me higher (and for a longer time) than ever before.  Honestly, it felt like "hard" drugs and was not all that pleasant...

[Dos Equis]

Negative effects are generally dose dependent. At low doses you get increased serotonin, high doses dramatically alter it resulting in anxiety/panic/obsessive thoughts etc. That again, dissipates with tolerance and these reactions are rare when followed medically.

The combustion of the leaf is an issue, however, the data indicate that MJ's anti cancer negates this. vaporization or edibles alter this. Eating weed is probably the most medicinal, it's psychoactivity is higher (the liver makes a stronger version of THC that you don't get from smoking) but onset much slower and most side effects such as anxiety are negligible. It also is addictive physically and mentally if used in significant quantities over time. It has a mild withdrawal syndrome, similar to nicotine.

High doses can worsen depression, those prone to schizophrenia should not take it as it can trigger psychosis. However, this only occurs in those with precipitating factors and genes for schizophrenia.

The other issue that pops up with the side effect question is that it really depends on the strain. for example THC is physchoactive, it gets you high, but Cannabidiol is not, however, it's an anxiolytic, epileptilytic, excellent for pain and appears to induce apoptosis in cancer cells (makes them go emo and suicide).

So with indicas(CBD heavy), you can get sedation, fatigue, lethargy large increases in appetite

With sativa's you can get anxiety, paranoia, racing thoughts and panic reactions.

Long term, there are no consequences if you start in adult hood, we have pretty conclusive evidence that weed alters the development of the young brain. This is because Anadamide(analgolous to endorphins) has a huge role in brain development. One other issue is that you will probably cease dreaming as anadamide controls this intimately and smoking would downregulate production of this neuropeptide, what consequence does that have? likely nothing, a lot of stuff alters sleep architecture.

It's toxicity is zero, almost literally.

You are saying on hand there are a number of side-effects and then on other that there are no consequences if you start smoking as adult? 

Also, do you agree with this guy?

Good commentary.  I like this guy.

America ill-prepared for marijuana mayhem
By Dr. Keith Ablow
Published January 10, 2014
FoxNews.com

With many states legalizing medical marijuana, and Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana, we are about to learn what I already know as a practicing psychiatrist: Marijuana is not harmless and will lead many millions of people into addiction, depression, psychosis, anxiety and lack of motivation.

I support legalizing marijuana, because I do not support the government making the decision whether people use it or not.

I also don’t like jailing people for the same behavior (drug use) that so many of our elected officials have engaged in. And I believe strongly that, in carefully selected cases, marijuana (and other potentially addictive drugs, by the way) can be very useful, medically.

We are way behind the curve educating people about the risks of marijuana abuse and dependence—which could cost us many billions of dollars and ruin many, many lives.

Here’s the big trouble, though: We are way behind the curve educating people about the risks of marijuana abuse and dependence—which could cost us many billions of dollars and ruin many, many lives.

I know this sounds alarmist, but it is true, and we are completely unprepared for the fallout.

Research studies show that cannabis users are at a 40 percent increased risk of psychosis. Research studies show that marijuana may well be a risk factor for schizophrenia, depression and anxiety disorders.

And research shows that marijuana is linked to a syndrome in which people have little motivation to pursue goals and interests that they once found compelling.

In my own practice, I find that people addicted to marijuana can have lives veering out of control—without the energy to pursue employment, with relationships failing, with grades dropping—yet insist that their chronic, daily marijuana use has nothing to do with it.

And this kind of disregard for cause and effect, even a disregard for the broken parts of one’s existence—a new drug-induced variant of the philosophical posture which the French call la belle indifference—may now become epidemic.

There is no chance, whatsoever, that the states which have legalized medical marijuana (never mind recreational marijuana) are policing its use in any real way.

Prescription mills are offering medical marijuana certification to anyone who claims any kind of chronic pain, or any symptoms of a number of other ill-defined conditions. Millions will become frequent users and will become less than they were.

Just as disturbing, marijuana will join Facebook and iPhones and video games in removing people from reality, making them less empathetic and less autonomous.

Is it an accident, a meaningful coincidence or part of a toxic slippery slope that we have a disempowering government in Washington and a new way to stay weak wafting like a smokescreen over the land?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/10/america-ill-prepared-for-marijuana-mayhem/

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You are saying on hand there are a number of side-effects and then on other that there are no consequences if you start smoking as adult? 

Also, do you agree with this guy?

Yes, side effects and consequences(inferring long term use) were meant to imply different things in my sentence.

A side effect on drinking is elevated liver enzyme, a consequence of continued usage is hepatic damage and eventual full cirrohsis.

there is nothing related to demotivation syndrome, it lowers dopamine however sativas tone DA neurotransmission. It's strain specific, anyone with any knowledge on the subject would know that.

It is less addictive then coffee or on par with it and cigarettes, it's a moot argument he should read some books on medicine. Availability has no bearing on addiction we see this everywhere. Addiction is a disease related to the reward center in your brain, namely, the mesocorticolimbic pathway and the nucleus accumbens.

His last argument sounds like he is into reefer madness? grades dropping, relationships failing. Is this guy a doctor? did he ever consider that sick people have lives that are out of control and MJ is a self medication, perhaps they would be worse? why did he jump to his biased conclusion? shit I answered that myself there.

He is dealing with MJ addicts, that's what he does, I use daily and am a doctor, I wrote this blazed off the top of my head and could rip this guys ass in two that must prove MJ makes you a doctor, puts your life in the right direction and makes your grades improve. Do you not see how silly his argument is? losers will always be losers.

On top of that he is a poor scholar, he cites a 40% stat he hauled out of his ass, if he knew anything about cannabinoids, he would know that some have anti-psychotic properties, oh ya, that demotivation that he is talking about? thats from low dopamine, what do anti-psychotics do? lower dopamine. I wonder if there is evidence to corroborate my view. looka here



Recent Pat CNS Drug Discov. 2014 Mar 6. [Epub ahead of print]
Therapeutic Potential of Cannabinoids in Schizophrenia.
Kucerova J, Tabiova K, Drago F, Micale V1.
Author information
Abstract
Increasing evidence suggests a close relationship between the endocannabinoid system and schizophrenia. The endocannabinoid system comprises of two G protein-coupled receptors (the cannabinoid receptors 1 and 2 [CB1 and CB2] for marijuana's psychoactive principle Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol), their endogenous small lipid ligands (namely anandamide [AEA] and 2-arachidonoylglycerol [2-AG], also known as endocannabinoids), and proteins for endocannabinoid biosynthesis and degradation. It has been suggested to be a pro-homeostatic and pleiotropic signalling system activated in a time- and tissue-specific manner during pathophysiological conditions. In the brain, activation of this system impacts the release of numerous neurotransmitters in various systems and cytokines from glial cells. Hence, the endocannabinoid system is strongly involved in neuropsychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia. Therefore, adolescence use of Cannabis may alter the endocannabinoid signalling and pose a potential environmental risk to develop psychosis. Consistently, preclinical and clinical studies have found dysregulations in the endocannabinoid system to alter blood and/or cerebrospinal fluid biochemistry. It has been proved that changed expressions of CB1 and CB2 receptors were linked to altered levels of AEA and 2-AG in the cerebrospinal fluid and/or blood. Thus, partial efficacy of antipsychotic compounds which manipulate this system may provide a novel therapeutic target for the treatment of schizophrenia. The present article reviews current available knowledge on herbal, synthetic and endogenous cannabinoids with respect to the modulation of schizophrenic symptomatology. Furthermore, this review will be highlighting the therapeutic potential of cannabinoid-related compounds and presenting some promising patents targeting potential treatment options for schizophrenia."

His view is that of a simpleton. He is a doctor true and true, doesn't keep up to date on the research.

On top of that we have viable strategies to reduce addiction, NAC has been studied as it lowers glutamate intracellularly by shifting extracellular vesicle production, in turn it reduces addictive tendencies.

Eur Neuropsychopharmacol. 2014 Jan;24(1):51-64. doi: 10.1016/j.euroneuro.2013.11.002. Epub 2013 Nov 15.
Cannabidiol as a potential treatment for psychosis.
Schubart CD1, Sommer IE2, Fusar-Poli P3, de Witte L2, Kahn RS1, Boks MP4.
Author information
Abstract
Although cannabis use is associated with an increased risk of developing psychosis, the cannabis constituent cannabidiol (CBD) may have antipsychotic properties. This review concisely describes the role of the endocannabinoid system in the development of psychosis and provides an overview of currently available animal, human experimental, imaging, epidemiological and clinical studies that investigated the antipsychotic properties of CBD. In this targeted literature review we performed a search for English articles using Medline and EMBASE. Studies were selected if they described experiments with psychosis models, psychotic symptoms or psychotic disorders as outcome measure and involved the use of CBD as intervention. Evidence from several research domains suggests that CBD shows potential for antipsychotic treatment.


So this guy has been caught is several half truths so far, before I go on, let me geuss he is a christian right winger? I don't agree with anything he is saying to be honest. It has clear medicinal benefits and adults should be able to do as they please, why would anyone favor prohibition, is colorado not enough evidence?

Like I said, you need a susceptibility to psychosis for MJ to induce it, it's because the endocannabinoid system plays a role in schizophernia. These individuals appears to have alterations in the CB1/CB2 receptor  which predispose them to psychosis, the mj pushes them over the edge so to speak. Also, psychosis and schizophrenia are not the same, you can have acute psychosis (trip out) and be fine, the number is inflated because psychosis is a dynamic state. Many drugs induce it, however, mj induces psychosis which appears to break into schizo for those with the genes for it.

The truth is that this drug is less harmful then alcohol or tobacco and by a wide margin.

[Roger Bacon]

Libertarianism is growing so fast because it encompasses the good policies of the left and right without all the lunacy. 

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One other thing is this access argument. Humans have something called will power and can think, just giving people access to stuff doesn't mean they will consume it compulsively. We see this with alcohol, the number of alcoholics remains stagnant, despite access, why? because addiction is an illness, mj is just some peoples drug of choice. Prohibition won't alter that, or will free reign.

[Dos Equis]

Yes, side effects and consequences(inferring long term use) were meant to imply different things in my sentence.

A side effect on drinking is elevated liver enzyme, a consequence of continued usage is hepatic damage and eventual full cirrohsis.

there is nothing related to demotivation syndrome, it lowers dopamine however sativas tone DA neurotransmission. It's strain specific, anyone with any knowledge on the subject would know that.

It is less addictive then coffee or on par with it and cigarettes, it's a moot argument he should read some books on medicine. Availability has no bearing on addiction we see this everywhere. Addiction is a disease related to the reward center in your brain, namely, the mesocorticolimbic pathway and the nucleus accumbens.

His last argument sounds like he is into reefer madness? grades dropping, relationships failing. Is this guy a doctor? did he ever consider that sick people have lives that are out of control and MJ is a self medication, perhaps they would be worse? why did he jump to his biased conclusion? shit I answered that myself there.

He is dealing with MJ addicts, that's what he does, I use daily and am a doctor, I wrote this blazed off the top of my head and could rip this guys ass in two that must prove MJ makes you a doctor, puts your life in the right direction and makes your grades improve. Do you not see how silly his argument is? losers will always be losers.

On top of that he is a poor scholar, he cites a 40% stat he hauled out of his ass, if he knew anything about cannabinoids, he would know that some have anti-psychotic properties, oh ya, that demotivation that he is talking about? thats from low dopamine, what do anti-psychotics do? lower dopamine. I wonder if there is evidence to corroborate my view. looka here



Recent Pat CNS Drug Discov. 2014 Mar 6. [Epub ahead of print]
Therapeutic Potential of Cannabinoids in Schizophrenia.
Kucerova J, Tabiova K, Drago F, Micale V1.
Author information
Abstract
Increasing evidence suggests a close relationship between the endocannabinoid system and schizophrenia. The endocannabinoid system comprises of two G protein-coupled receptors (the cannabinoid receptors 1 and 2 [CB1 and CB2] for marijuana's psychoactive principle Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol), their endogenous small lipid ligands (namely anandamide [AEA] and 2-arachidonoylglycerol [2-AG], also known as endocannabinoids), and proteins for endocannabinoid biosynthesis and degradation. It has been suggested to be a pro-homeostatic and pleiotropic signalling system activated in a time- and tissue-specific manner during pathophysiological conditions. In the brain, activation of this system impacts the release of numerous neurotransmitters in various systems and cytokines from glial cells. Hence, the endocannabinoid system is strongly involved in neuropsychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia. Therefore, adolescence use of Cannabis may alter the endocannabinoid signalling and pose a potential environmental risk to develop psychosis. Consistently, preclinical and clinical studies have found dysregulations in the endocannabinoid system to alter blood and/or cerebrospinal fluid biochemistry. It has been proved that changed expressions of CB1 and CB2 receptors were linked to altered levels of AEA and 2-AG in the cerebrospinal fluid and/or blood. Thus, partial efficacy of antipsychotic compounds which manipulate this system may provide a novel therapeutic target for the treatment of schizophrenia. The present article reviews current available knowledge on herbal, synthetic and endogenous cannabinoids with respect to the modulation of schizophrenic symptomatology. Furthermore, this review will be highlighting the therapeutic potential of cannabinoid-related compounds and presenting some promising patents targeting potential treatment options for schizophrenia."

His view is that of a simpleton. He is a doctor true and true, doesn't keep up to date on the research.

On top of that we have viable strategies to reduce addiction, NAC has been studied as it lowers glutamate intracellularly by shifting extracellular vesicle production, in turn it reduces addictive tendencies.

Eur Neuropsychopharmacol. 2014 Jan;24(1):51-64. doi: 10.1016/j.euroneuro.2013.11.002. Epub 2013 Nov 15.
Cannabidiol as a potential treatment for psychosis.
Schubart CD1, Sommer IE2, Fusar-Poli P3, de Witte L2, Kahn RS1, Boks MP4.
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Abstract
Although cannabis use is associated with an increased risk of developing psychosis, the cannabis constituent cannabidiol (CBD) may have antipsychotic properties. This review concisely describes the role of the endocannabinoid system in the development of psychosis and provides an overview of currently available animal, human experimental, imaging, epidemiological and clinical studies that investigated the antipsychotic properties of CBD. In this targeted literature review we performed a search for English articles using Medline and EMBASE. Studies were selected if they described experiments with psychosis models, psychotic symptoms or psychotic disorders as outcome measure and involved the use of CBD as intervention. Evidence from several research domains suggests that CBD shows potential for antipsychotic treatment.


So this guy has been caught is several half truths so far, before I go on, let me geuss he is a christian right winger? I don't agree with anything he is saying to be honest. It has clear medicinal benefits and adults should be able to do as they please, why would anyone favor prohibition, is colorado not enough evidence?

Like I said, you need a susceptibility to psychosis for MJ to induce it, it's because the endocannabinoid system plays a role in schizophernia. These individuals appears to have alterations in the CB1/CB2 receptor  which predispose them to psychosis, the mj pushes them over the edge so to speak. Also, psychosis and schizophrenia are not the same, you can have acute psychosis (trip out) and be fine, the number is inflated because psychosis is a dynamic state. Many drugs induce it, however, mj induces psychosis which appears to break into schizo for those with the genes for it.

The truth is that this drug is less harmful then alcohol or tobacco and by a wide margin.

You lost me after the first few paragraphs.  Too much medicalese. 

Regarding Ablow, he's a doctor.  Brown and Johns Hopkins graduate.  Two of the best schools in the country.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ablow

He says this based on his own experience:

"In my own practice, I find that people addicted to marijuana can have lives veering out of control—without the energy to pursue employment, with relationships failing, with grades dropping—yet insist that their chronic, daily marijuana use has nothing to do with it."