Cool Video of Bertil Fox benching

[geneticmarvel]

Yeah Bob is about as strong as he looks too lol

[geneticmarvel]

i agree but thats not what bertil is doing.  watch dorian train, watch kai train, hell even watch ronnie train.  ronnie uses a ton of sway and momentum, but its obvisous the target muscle is still doing the burnt of the work. bertil is doing movements completely unrelated to the exercise hes supposed to be doig. like whats with the top portion of his incline dumbell curls? throwing in a little bit of lat-stretching ?? lol

It seems crazy, but those overdone incline dumbell curls make your biceps feel like they are going to explode. I get an insane pump from doing them. You should follow suit and try em yourself. Like Bertil himself said, there are NO set rules for getting big.

[geneticmarvel]

I couldn't agree more.

as long as you are training hard enough to grow, it doesn't matter what the fuck you are doing. Your genetics and drugs dictate what you will look like.

I agree with you to a point, but take a guy that only trains on machines his whole life versus a guy who only does compound power movements and mark my words you will get 2 entirely different physiques. The latter being 1000X more impressive.

[dodger]

Here is an observation.  People criticize when someone cheats on lifts.  I gotta tell you why would that be an issue at all.  Everyone and I mean everyone who does this are guys who have no real size or strength.  and the guys you criticize are the guys who are huge and strong and somewhat successful at lifting.  so don't you think that if cheating was so bad that you (the person who does strict reps) would be huge and strong and making money from you body.  Sure the way he does and every other successful powerlifter, bodybuilder or strength athlete has some cheating in it, but it sure seems to work.  If cheating gets you 20"+ arms and a 500+ pound bench and envious looks from everyone who sees you then I would think you should consider mixing in a few cheat reps because your strict rep idea is not working.

hey man,perfect post,well put,i totally agree

also i saw dorian train for my very own eyes and im sorry but he trained wild and cheated every set and how many olympias did he win

[benchmstr]

Here is an observation.  People criticize when someone cheats on lifts.  I gotta tell you why would that be an issue at all.  Everyone and I mean everyone who does this are guys who have no real size or strength.  and the guys you criticize are the guys who are huge and strong and somewhat successful at lifting.  so don't you think that if cheating was so bad that you (the person who does strict reps) would be huge and strong and making money from you body.  Sure the way he does and every other successful powerlifter, bodybuilder or strength athlete has some cheating in it, but it sure seems to work.  If cheating gets you 20"+ arms and a 500+ pound bench and envious looks from everyone who sees you then I would think you should consider mixing in a few cheat reps because your strict rep idea is not working.

to many people read, and think way too much about this shit keith....they never realize that you are trying to train the muscle, not the movement...

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[Palpatine Q]

to many people read, and think way too much about this shit keith....they never realize that you are trying to train the muscle, not the movement...

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quoted for total awesomeness...i'm stealing that

[benchmstr]

quoted for total awesomeness...i'm stealing that

its true.....the art of closing your eyes, gritting your teeth and moving heavy ass weight is lost on the current flow of gym rats....thats why we have all these shitty looking BB's at the NPC shows ...

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[geneticmarvel]

its true.....the art of closing your eyes, gritting your teeth and moving heavy ass weight is lost on the current flow of gym rats....thats why we have all these shitty looking BB's at the NPC shows ...

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These days bodybuilders are so caught up with supplements, drugs, and tanning they forget that heavy power training and gritty hard work is what builds an impressive physique.

[noworries]

im always open for new suggestions, especially for those who have gotten great results from their efforts. my next workout is shoulders and arms. ill try the curls in that fashion.. 

And that's exactly what you should be.  Especially from seasoned veterans (not that I am one) who have shown results.  I don't do them like this all the time but alot of it.  You feel an incredible pump when you do it.  In fact hold it for 1/2 second or so at the top.  I am far from knowing as much as those guys or probably even you but I do know what worked for me and I see the results in others that have done it that way.  I had a guy once in the gym come up to me while I was sitting on the end of the bench after just doing a set I think I had 405.  I would do 6 to 8 reps.  He comes up and says "hey if you put your hands a little wider you will probably do more".  I asked him how much he benched and he said almost 3 plates (315).  I said I did 585 and I could rep with 500.  I said I think I am doing okay the way I am doing them.  The moral is that I accept advice and criticisim from anyone and everyone.  But, if you are going to give me advice at least be better than me or stronger.  That is why I never give or talk about dieting or cardio.  It is because #1 I don't much about it and #2 I suck at both.  But, I learned how to lift from some of the best in history (at least who came to the gym and from traveling), so I at least learned a little.  I may not look like it now but my brain still functions fine.  Like I said you are a good kid and for 21 you are looking good especially since if I remember you were kind of overwieght as a kid.  So you will be fine.  

to many people read, and think way too much about this shit keith....they never realize that you are trying to train the muscle, not the movement...

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Exactly!  Way to much thinking.  If I had to think about this shit when I was lifting I wouldn't have got anywhere.  I just grabbed the weight and lifted.  And I might not have look anything close to a bodybuilder I do know I was as strong as any of them.  When I was 247 joe Gold told me to enter powerlifting meets and bodybuilding meets at the same time.  he said I had the potential to be champion in both at the same time.  I will always consider that a compliment from a guy who I think knew his shit.  Plus at that time I was 100% drug free and never knew shit about roids.

[Palpatine Q]

its true.....the art of closing your eyes, gritting your teeth and moving heavy ass weight is lost on the current flow of gym rats....thats why we have all these shitty looking BB's at the NPC shows ...

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Indeed brother.....I have a guy at the gym i know pretty well that truly wants to be a Pro BB, nice looking physique...bout 185 at 5'9" but no density at all...and he works out like a bitch....always really good form...10-12 reps.....you NEVER see him killing himself.

And he always says.."man if i had your thickness.." and i reply...."well get under some real weight and stop training like a fucking fitness model"

He doesn't like that too much 

[benchmstr]

Indeed brother.....I have a guy at the gym i know pretty well that truly wants to be a Pro BB, nice looking physique...bout 185 at 5'9" but no density at all...and he works out like a bitch....always really good form...10-12 reps.....you NEVER see him killing himself.

And he always says.."man if i had your thickness.." and i reply...."well get under some real weight and stop training like a fucking fitness model"

He doesn't like that too much 

people just dont have that instinct anymore......i dont even count my damn reps cause its too much of a distraction from lifting......i stop lifting when the bar stops moving!!!!

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[Palpatine Q]

people just dont have that instinct anymore......i dont even count my damn reps cause its too much of a distraction from lifting......i stop lifting when the bar stops moving!!!!

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thats because we are beasts and they are fairies  

seriously, you would laugh at this dude....wears a different outfit to the gym almost every day, must own 20 pairs of sneakers...always perfectly tanned and coiffed, takes prohormones like they are candy......but I've never seen him bust his ass on a set of heavy squats, 6 sets of 12 on the leg press  

He is a cool dude actually, I like him....he's just a bit of a pussy  

I'm like you...when i do a set of lat pulldowns i just stick the pin in somewhere near the bottom and bust them out till i can't anymore...how much and how many i could give a shit

[SF1900]

It always amazes me afresh what kind of crap you can train on tons of drugs and still grow.

I agree. And while it worked for him, it is amazing what you can accomplish with the right drugs and genetics.

[benchmstr]

thats because we are beasts and they are fairies  

seriously, you would laugh at this dude....wears a different outfit to the gym almost every day, must own 20 pairs of sneakers...always perfectly tanned and coiffed, takes prohormones like they are candy......but I've never seen him bust his ass on a set of heavy squats, 6 sets of 12 on the leg press  

He is a cool dude actually, I like him....he's just a bit of a pussy  

I'm like you...when i do a set of lat pulldowns i just stick the pin in somewhere near the bottom and bust them out till i can't anymore...how much and how many i could give a shit

some people

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[Coach is Back!]

Man I remember this.  Check out the old bench.  I remember the first day Bertil came to World Gym.  A fucking beast!

Back when bodybuilders were bodybuilders and training was TRAINING.....now a days "bodybuilders" just "workout". There's a difference between training and "working out".

[benchmstr]

Back when bodybuilders were bodybuilders and training was TRAINING.....now a days "bodybuilders" just "workout". There's a difference between training and "working out".

indeed...

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[Coach is Back!]

Man I remember this.  Check out the old bench.  I remember the first day Bertil came to World Gym.  A fucking beast!

I have a feeling Keith was training there the same time I was (around 79-81). I trained there almost every weekend during those years. Thats when Doug Brignole and I were training together.

[noworries]

I have a feeling Keith was training there the same time I was (around 79-81). I trained there almost every weekend during those years. Thats when Doug Brignole and I were training together.

Coach I was there from 80 to 83 (maybe 79).  Trained at 8am in the morning and I was living in Manhattan Beach.  Went Mon thru Fri with weekends off.  I was there when Bertil first got there.  I remember it very well.  I trained with a guy named ROn Depolito.  He was well known for bringing the girls to parties.  I hung around Ken Waller, Ron and Tony Pearson the most.  Talked to Roy Callendar quite a bit and Paul Petite (not sure on the first name but the guy with one eye and huge arms).  Did you know Bill Burney

[Coach is Back!]

Coach I was there from 80 to 83 (maybe 79).  Trained at 8am in the morning and I was living in Manhattan Beach.  Went Mon thru Fri with weekends off.  I was there when Bertil first got there.  I remember it very well.  I trained with a guy named ROn Depolito.  He was well known for bringing the girls to parties.  I hung around Ken Waller, Ron and Tony Pearson the most.  Talked to Roy Callendar quite a bit and Paul Petite (not sure on the first name but the guy with one eye and huge arms).  Did you know Bill Burney

Yes, knew Bill pretty well. He was being trained by Rory when we were training in OC about 1984 at Blocks Gym. I was training with Scott Livingstone during that time.

[noworries]

Yes, knew Bill pretty well. He was being trained by Rory when we were training in OC about 1984 at Blocks Gym. I was training with Scott Livingstone during that time.

i went to Elementary school with Bill and then high school.  He moved away his sophmore year I think.  I heard he was a good bodybuilder

[Coach is Back!]

i went to Elementary school with Bill and then high school.  He moved away his sophmore year I think.  I heard he was a good bodybuilder

Had a great physique, I think he the OC Muscle Classic that year. From what I hear he's a cop.

[LurkyLurker]

thats because we are beasts and they are fairies  

seriously, you would laugh at this dude....wears a different outfit to the gym almost every day, must own 20 pairs of sneakers...always perfectly tanned and coiffed, takes prohormones like they are candy......but I've never seen him bust his ass on a set of heavy squats, 6 sets of 12 on the leg press  

He is a cool dude actually, I like him....he's just a bit of a pussy  

I'm like you...when i do a set of lat pulldowns i just stick the pin in somewhere near the bottom and bust them out till i can't anymore...how much and how many i could give a shit

First you talk about how it doesn't matter how you train, genetics rule the day. Then you say if this guy trained the way you do he'd be like you.

I agree with the first part. Genetics (both how you respond to training and to supps) is far and away #1. How you train (HIT, volume, Doggcrap, etc) is a distant second. Very distant.

If you trained the way your friend does you'd probably still be big. Maybe a shade less so than now, but probably not too different. If Bertil trained like Paul Dillet he still would have been a beast and had Dorian trained like Arnold he would have won the Olympia six times as well. Maybe more because he wouldn't have torn himself up.

[Hurricane Beef !]

Man I remember this.  Check out the old bench.  I remember the first day Bertil came to World Gym.  A fucking beast!

You owe THE BEEF  a $100 bucks you fat bastard.

THE BEEF

[kawaks]

Yeah what ever happened to him, is he still in jail? That dude was a beast.

Are you in St Kitts???

Perhaps you should visit using google maps for a start?

Send him a letter?

His parole date is stamped "never to be released"

He's in the local prison hell hole!

[Parker]

First you talk about how it doesn't matter how you train, genetics rule the day. Then you say if this guy trained the way you do he'd be like you.

I agree with the first part. Genetics (both how you respond to training and to supps) is far and away #1. How you train (HIT, volume, Doggcrap, etc) is a distant second. Very distant.

If you trained the way your friend does you'd probably still be big. Maybe a shade less so than now, but probably not too different. If Bertil trained like Paul Dillet he still would have been a beast and had Dorian trained like Arnold he would have won the Olympia six times as well. Maybe more because he wouldn't have torn himself up.

Here is a question. If Dillett trained like Bertil and Wheeler trained like Dorian, where do think their careers would have gone? Do you think their outcomes would have been different?