GH15 - why not be more open minded?

[backday]

Good to see you posting again, Backday.  I remember you from MGB.  Really inspirational bro.

I called out gh15 in the past and received the predictably incoherent, multi paragraph 'i am god of homos' telling off.  Then I saw him change his stance over the next few months 180 degrees to very nearly what I said in the first place, most notably regarding PCT.  Those who remember the thread will know what I'm talking about.  He's just an internet geek who reads juice forums.  Total gimmick account of the sad weirdo variety.

Hey Tapeworm , what`s up?I don`t post much now , but I do read the board sometimes.What I do is to train regularly as always 

[pellius]

You actually think hes natural?  I thought you were smarter than that.

Actually, I never really followed the bodybuilding culture since I was a teen. The last "show" I paid attention to was back in 1981. After that Mr. O I realized bodybuilding was a farce. So I missed the whole Haney, Dorian and most of the Coleman era. I started paying attention maybe back in 2003-04 when I was at friend's house and watched the Coleman Unbelievable DVD. He was unbelievable. So much had change. I never realized the role drugs play and never really gave it much thought. Faildo claims natural and passes every test. Didn't matter much to me one way or the other. I take a man at his word. What do I know? I wasn't part of that world.

There are still a lot of people like me out there. Many who haven't read the gh15 Bible. I know better now.

Gh15: Educating and saving bodybuilders one thong at a time.


 

[Tapeworm]

Hey Tapeworm , what`s up?I don`t post much now , but I do read the board sometimes.What I do is to train regularly as always 

Doing better than me then!  Hurt my back squatting a little while ago and been pretty slack since (except for work).  Got in a full body routine today tho, just light weight, and felt damn good.

Good to know you're out there training hard and looking better than guys half your age! 

[no one]

There is nothing to know. I can tell you right now there's little to no advantage to doing anything IV.

there is an advantage to taking GH IV.

[tbombz]

there is an advantage to taking GH IV.

theres really not.. Y units subq/im/iv... going to be nearly identical % of absorbtion and rate of metabolism... IV may allow for a small increase in utilization/effectiveness... but it wont be anything noticeable..    thats what van is getting at.. there are no secrets..

[Van_Bilderass]

there is an advantage to taking GH IV.

theres really not.. Y units subq/im/iv... going to be nearly identical % of absorbtion and rate of metabolism... IV may allow for a small increase in utilization/effectiveness... but it wont be anything noticeable..    thats what van is getting at.. there are no secrets..

Yeah hard to get your precise point across without writing pages upon pages.
Doing GH IV might be advantageous, I don't know, but it's still GH. It won't push genetic limits like adding a whole different hormone, like when insulin was introduced into the mix. Same with doing plasma expanders, IV diuretics, what have you. It might be advantageous, but it's not going to introduce leaner, drier bodybuilder across the board. We have already seen the limits of vascularity and dryness through more conventional means. Bodybuilders have pushed dehydration as far as it can be pushed already (and some have died). When GH use became widespread it made bodybuilders bigger and leaner across the board. When insulin use became widespread bodybuilders got bigger across the board.

If this exotic stuff was so great why are bodybuilders looking worse compared to the early-mid 90s?
Who knows what the next "breakthrough" will be, something with the same impact as GH or insulin?

[Van_Bilderass]

there is an advantage to taking GH IV.

LOL, I first thought this was 'noworries' reply. Now I see its' 'no none'.

What kind of advantages have you seen? How much more potent is it this way?

I saw Phil Hernon mention IV GH a few times on professionalmuscle.

[willl]

If this exotic stuff was so great why are bodybuilders looking worse compared to the early-mid 90s?
Who knows what the next "breakthrough" will be, something with the same impact as GH or insulin?

you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
maybe u have a personal preference as to how they used to look
but i never saw 260- 300lbs ultrashredded and gardenhose vascular physiques back then

i am not including the likes of munzer because they died in their quest
why u r so stubborn to dismiss the fact that bbers will always try to get that extra edge is beyond me
and bbers are constantly looking to improve

nevertheless, i will gather all this info i am talking about and post it here
btw you can give Your formulas too, because you seem to know exactly what is necessary and usefull i am interested
also add what you think is maxing out the vascularity
thank u Van

[willl]

infact Van you can give your precise info about what you think one needs to use and do to achieve absolute powerfull bber conditioned physique right here
you can give multiple ways if u know them
i hope u experienced some personal high level bbing before

[clued-up]

you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's

On average, bodybuilders of today look like shit compared to the guys of the 90’s.. get real. 

[BIG DUB]

you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
   

I have to respectfully disagree..I have yet to see the likes of the graduating class of 91' or the level of quality competitors as seen from the 90's.

[willl]

some guys like the arnol era better, some guys are into the steve reeves look
im talking bbing science

[Van_Bilderass]

you're crazy if u think bbrs havnt progressed since mid90's
maybe u have a personal preference as to how they used to look
but i never saw 260- 300lbs ultrashredded and gardenhose vascular physiques back then

i am not including the likes of munzer because they died in their quest
why u r so stubborn to dismiss the fact that bbers will always try to get that extra edge is beyond me
and bbers are constantly looking to improve

nevertheless, i will gather all this info i am talking about and post it here
btw you can give Your formulas too, because you seem to know exactly what is necessary and usefull i am interested
also add what you think is maxing out the vascularity
thank u Van

You had for example Dorian, Kevin, Nasser, Fux, Dillet... are the guys really bigger today? The technology hasn't advanced IMO. You had 2003 Ronnie looking ridiculous but who today is pushing the limits way over those 90s bodybuilders I mentioned? The bodybuilders today on average look like shit compared to those I mentioned. If they are any bigger they are also more sloppier. But they aren't really more muscular on average.

I'm not dismissing new technology, I just don't see any recent really groundbreaking advancements. Look how IGF-1 failed. Most still prefer GH.

I don't have any formulas. Like i said, I think AAS + insulin + GH is 99% of the game still.

But like I said, I'm interested in hearing the info you gather.

[Gino30]

ok gh15 lets talk, just a question , ok i dont doubt that what u say its maybe true, but why u just cant accept that maybe not everyone does what u say, i mean i own nothing trying to defend my ideas here or discussing with the guys, i know what i do and what paco does, why as i accept what u say cant accept what i say nobody has 100% truth , u know some guys take tons of gear and never progress and also u know some of the guys take allmost nothing look at weights and grow.

a well recognoised pro that has being compiting here in spain and now a top pro, has allmost never dieted and allways looks in shape, goes on a diet for 2 weeks and he is the most ripped guy on stage, sure he takes his vitamins but u cand dennie his superior genetics.

if u know all the things u say and it looks like u do,i think u should be more open minded, dont u think so?

talkimg about me , i am not a top pro at all i just compete because i like to do and i dint go to the limit, i weight 123 kg right now i have been clean for 4 months, and yes clean is clean like u say, notinhg at all, now i started to take some hormones test and bold and i am not over a gram adding the 2 of them and 4 units gh, thats all, now u believe or not, 2 weeks into this and i gained 2 kg , ok, just water but i will go on for 8 or 10 weeks i am sure i will get to 128 easy, coz i know how my body reacts i know what to eat and how to train for my self, why u just cant believe it.

lets talk not disscus about it.

peace

Translated = oh fuck, this GFH15 guy knows his shit....I can't weasel / bullshit / smoke and mirrors this forum.....I'll try a differant tact

[Gino30]

all i can read is a copy paste from one of his posts 4 years ago

atleast marco admitted he doesnt know how iv's are used but even he would like to know

gh15 is a combination of what everyone thinks of him, to some he is a saviour to others nuttin but a tool
since thi sguy has not brought anything new to the table instead just living at his home like old ppl do telling same boring stories over and over again to the kids, ill go for the latter

to guys who wanna know about iv whats in it and how they use it i will post it here in September after i talk to major competitor who used it several times

....and what have you brought to the table you muppet?

[SgtSpar]

Myostatin inhibitors will cause the next big breakthrough.

[njflex]

thats why today u have 202 class and open,,they all use or try the same stuff in both classes the end result is the most muscle,conditioning,peaking one could achieve.the difference with 80's or early ninties is a 195/205 lb bber like shawn ray,mike ashley could stand on stage with a haney or gaspari and hold there own.today forget it.

[no one]

LOL, I first thought this was 'noworries' reply. Now I see its' 'no none'.

What kind of advantages have you seen? How much more potent is it this way?

I saw Phil Hernon mention IV GH a few times on professionalmuscle.

IV allows you to administer it several times a day, without having its pulse affected by your macros. if your eating 6-7 meals a day, its hard to IM it and not affect its pulse somewhere.

[willl]

You had for example Dorian, Kevin, Nasser, Fux, Dillet... are the guys really bigger today? The technology hasn't advanced IMO. You had 2003 Ronnie looking ridiculous but who today is pushing the limits way over those 90s bodybuilders I mentioned? The bodybuilders today on average look like shit compared to those I mentioned. If they are any bigger they are also more sloppier. But they aren't really more muscular on average.

I'm not dismissing new technology, I just don't see any recent really groundbreaking advancements. Look how IGF-1 failed. Most still prefer GH.

I don't have any formulas. Like i said, I think AAS + insulin + GH is 99% of the game still.

But like I said, I'm interested in hearing the info you gather.

understand one thing, im not talking about size or how big they are
im talking about the stuff they do in the final stages just before entering shows

i dont believe mike menzer or arnold did the same as levrone did and he didnt do what heath does now
every era has added its own 'tricks' and im interested in knowing the latest of them
this is why, if gh15 is a Top pro, he could have shared info on this matter, real precise info
even though what worked back in the 90's was and is still working i want to compare them with what is really going on today and see where the differences are
u said u know pretty much whats going on so u could type that down in here i will post the protocols i gather too

[Van_Bilderass]

understand one thing, im not talking about size or how big they are
im talking about the stuff they do in the final stages just before entering shows

i dont believe mike menzer or arnold did the same as levrone did and he didnt do what heath does now
every era has added its own 'tricks' and im interested in knowing the latest of them
this is why, if gh15 is a Top pro, he could have shared info on this matter, real precise info
even though what worked back in the 90's was and is still working i want to compare them with what is really going on today and see where the differences are
u said u know pretty much whats going on so u could type that down in here i will post the protocols i gather too

Alright, so you want some specific information of new high-tech new protocols to confirm gh15 is a top pro like he says. Fine.

Still, I don't see any improvements in the 'stage polish' if you will, in the last decade. If we take vascularity, I don't see how it's improved. Not that vascularity is very important anyway. I would argue that extreme vascularity takes away from a quality physique.

I don't claim to be in the inner circle of the very top pros, say Olympia top 3, not at all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on what I see on stage. I have had conversations with a few pros, some of whom are fairly close to the very top guys, and I've not heard of these cutting edge new techniques. And even if there were new techniques, I'm just not seeing improvements on stage. Who is shredded and dry like Munzer? Who is grainy, dry and full like Dorian? I don't see anyone. Look at Martinez, looks like a soft water balloon with oily bodyparts (he looks "great" of course, I'm only comparing to the best 10 years earlier). Heath's quality looks pretty great but it's a step down from Levrone IMO. Warren has grainy legs etc but it's not top to bottom conditioning and graininess like Dorian.

If you could post some pics of the guys who have employed these techniques it would be great.

[Cleanest Natural]

IV allows you to administer it several times a day, without having its pulse affected by your macros. if your eating 6-7 meals a day, its hard to IM it and not affect its pulse somewhere.

[no one]

you're desperate.

i understand.

[njflex]

Alright, so you want some specific information of new high-tech new protocols to confirm gh15 is a top pro like he says. Fine.

Still, I don't see any improvements in the 'stage polish' if you will, in the last decade. If we take vascularity, I don't see how it's improved. Not that vascularity is very important anyway. I would argue that extreme vascularity takes away from a quality physique.

I don't claim to be in the inner circle of the very top pros, say Olympia top 3, not at all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on what I see on stage. I have had conversations with a few pros, some of whom are fairly close to the very top guys, and I've not heard of these cutting edge new techniques. And even if there were new techniques, I'm just not seeing improvements on stage. Who is shredded and dry like Munzer? Who is grainy, dry and full like Dorian? I don't see anyone. Look at Martinez, looks like a soft water balloon with oily bodyparts (he looks "great" of course, I'm only comparing to the best 10 years earlier). Heath's quality looks pretty great but it's a step down from Levrone IMO. Warren has grainy legs etc but it's not top to bottom conditioning and graininess like Dorian.

If you could post some pics of the guys who have employed these techniques it would be great.

good post van,if they are doing something last minute or some exotic potion i don't see it in the conditioning or its screwing them up last minute.the last few days  angdingay of is so thought out nowadays that a guy who's behind in pre judging can come back next night with much improved look,the older guys 90's and back had that part all figured out wks  before and cruised in with some tweaking with the basic compounds  then .the guys today size is impressive but they lost whatever quality from there amateur days to get bigger not better, not all but some.

[gh15]

2 different ones,, one for glucose and nutrition,, one for growth,,

usualy used at night during prep,, gh iv into vein,,glucose and nutrients into vein,,not done same time ,,its diff stages of preperation ,,mainly to keep the muscle mass and thickness as max while losing body fat down to 4 % and under,,its not practiced by everyone ,,its practiced by mass monsters and in times include narcotics,,

i do not wish to talk about it because its not something you should do and bodybuilding can exist with out it ,,

the only thing that should matter to you is that at 5'9 5'10 500mg testosterone will put you as 210-220lb ,,750mg will put you at 220-230lb,,1-2 grams will put you at 240-250lb ,,,it will all be high singles to low doubles,,you want mid singles to high singles at 230 240? you add growth hormone,,doesnt have to be done iv work very well im or sq we prefer i.m much more,,

the reason we do iv is because at night there is nothing better than getting the gh into the vein slowly and consistently and that give you ability to utilize the whole 20-30 units some do a day,,at night they use third of them sometimes even half of them via the iv,,
glucose is there due to high insulin injects and you want the glucose and other nutrients such as protien flowing through all night into blood,,

AGAIN ,,THIS IS NOT FOR MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDLERS,,this is NOT I REPEAT NOT THE WAY BODYBUILDING SHOULD GO,,this is written for theory purposes only and not for you to be doing because it wont give you anything at your 220lb 10% body fat,,

soem bodybuilder take enormous doses of insulin and in need of glucose during night time ,,also the protien is hospital grade protien ,,and the growth is growth constant flow of it into blood will keep you able to diet down and grow while reducing body fat to the 3-4% ,,this is not newechincs ,,the crazy among us been doing it now for almost 15 years

gh15 approved post but not recomended

i would like this posting to stay on this thread and nto making new thread out of it ,,i do not belive in this practice in bodybuilding and i dont want new generation to follow it,,

gh15 approved

[The Abdominal Snoman]

2 different ones,, one for glucose and nutrition,, one for growth,,

usualy used at night during prep,, gh iv into vein,,glucose and nutrients into vein,,not done same time ,,its diff stages of preperation ,,mainly to keep the muscle mass and thickness as max while losing body fat down to 4 % and under,,its not practiced by everyone ,,its practiced by mass monsters and in times include narcotics,,

i do not wish to talk about it because its not something you should do and bodybuilding can exist with out it ,,

the only thing that should matter to you is that at 5'9 5'10 500mg testosterone will put you as 210-220lb ,,750mg will put you at 220-230lb,,1-2 grams will put you at 240-250lb ,,,it will all be high singles to low doubles,,you want mid singles to high singles at 230 240? you add growth hormone,,doesnt have to be done iv work very well im or sq we prefer i.m much more,,

the reason we do iv is because at night there is nothing better than getting the gh into the vein slowly and consistently and that give you ability to utilize the whole 20-30 units some do a day,,at night they use third of them sometimes even half of them via the iv,,
glucose is there due to high insulin injects and you want the glucose and other nutrients such as protien flowing through all night into blood,,

AGAIN ,,THIS IS NOT FOR MAJORITY OF BODYBUILDLERS,,this is NOT I REPEAT NOT THE WAY BODYBUILDING SHOULD GO,,this is written for theory purposes only and not for you to be doing because it wont give you anything at your 220lb 10% body fat,,

soem bodybuilder take enormous doses of insulin and in need of glucose during night time ,,also the protien is hospital grade protien ,,and the growth is growth constant flow of it into blood will keep you able to diet down and grow while reducing body fat to the 3-4% ,,this is not newechincs ,,the crazy among us been doing it now for almost 15 years

gh15 approved post but not recomended

i would like this posting to stay on this thread and nto making new thread out of it ,,i do not belive in this practice in bodybuilding and i dont want new generation to follow it,,

gh15 approved

watch the Tiny tits run for cover on this master piece by the one the only Mr. 15 himself.