46 year old ken shamrock....... why don't you just STOP FIGHTING?????

[Palpatine Q]

 
 Tapping out its not a part of the game for the Gracie's.
 And quitting you're probably referring to the fight against Kimo. right?
 Quitting, pussy whatever you want to call it. do you have a video of any Gracie tapping out?
 Wow!!! you can beat up people easily too. wow!!! just wow!!!

 

LOLOL....take it easy holmes...just playing.

you're obviously a big fan of the Gracies, but they aren't above and beyond the rest.

Fanboys are funny, they take shit so personal 

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

If that turns out to be Fedor's last fight he loses his last one by tapping out BUT

Royce Gracie's last fight ended up with him testing positive for anabolic steroids.

ADVANTAGE = Fedor

Truth hurts, don't it?

 Just because Fedor wasn't caught, that does not meant he does not use it.
 I'm not trying to throw mud on Fedor's image. just saying since everybody use something.

 Gracie's never tapp out.
 Fedor did it.

 Advantage = The Gracie's
 Now... this hurt even more. don't you think?

[polychronopolous]

 
Tapping out its not a part of the game for the Gracie's.
 And quitting you're probably referring to the fight against Kimo. right?
 Quitting, pussy whatever you want to call it. do you have a video of any Gracie tapping out?
 Wow!!! you can beat up people easily too. wow!!! just wow!!!

 

No, their "game" was beating up construction workers in the early 90's with little to no grappling skills and then once the sport finally caught up with them 3 years later they all conveniently retire or begin to have very average records to mediocre fighters.

The "Gracies".... give me a fucking break, they haven't been relevant in almost 2 decades!!

You will never see another Gracie on top, their whole legacy is beating up on plumbers over a two year period.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

LOLOL....take it easy holmes...just playing.

you're obviously a big fan of the Gracies, but they aren't above and beyond the rest.

Fanboys are funny, they take shit so personal 

 No Groink. I'm not taking personal.just telling the truth.
 Please don't get me wrong.
 

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

No, their "game" was beating up construction workers in the early 90's with little to no grappling skills and then once the sport finally caught up with them 3 years later they all conveniently retire or begin to have very average records to mediocre fighters.

The "Gracies".... give me a fucking break, they haven't been relevant in almost 2 decades!!

You will never see another Gracie on top, their whole legacy is beating up on plumbers over a two year period.

 Please don't change the point.
 Do you have a video,picture or audio of any Gracie tapping out?
 And by the way when you see a guy submitting another fighter using BJJ... yes still the Gracie name.

 You might want to check this guy Fabricio Werdum. have you ever heard about him? lol

[Palpatine Q]

No, their "game" was beating up construction workers in the early 90's with little to no grappling skills and then once the sport finally caught up with them 3 years later they all conveniently retire or begin to have very average records to mediocre fighters.

The "Gracies".... give me a fucking break, they haven't been relevant in almost 2 decades!!

You will never see another Gracie on top, their whole legacy is beating up on plumbers over a two year period.

What he said

[polychronopolous]

 Please don't change the point.
 Do you have a video,picture or audio of any Gracie tapping out?
 And by the way when you see a guy submitting another fighter using BJJ... yes still the Gracie name.

 You might want to check this guy Fabricio Werdum. have you ever heard about him? lol

Okay since Royce and Rickson decided to go ahead retire to save them from getting their teeth kicked in on a regular basis, and since Royce has such a tiny resume against decent opposition besides Matt Hughes and Sakuraba, NO I don't have footage of them tapping out so yeah you got me there, I suppose.

HOWEVER, nobody from my memory has quit (Sakuraba, after Kimo fight) lied (Rickson and his bullshit 500 and 0 record or whatever he was claiming) cheated (Royce and his failed steroid test) and manipulated the rules to benefit them (16 Man Pride Grand Prix) more than the Gracie clan.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Is Werdum part of the Gracie family?

 The Gracie BJJ family.
 Here is a variation of what Fabricio did to Fedor.  triangulo de mao."Anaconda choke" pretty cool.
 Just a little bit of tension... booommmmmmmmm look at Wanderlei's head and face.
 Now imagine if you put all your strength.

 

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Okay since Royce and Rickson decided to go ahead retire to save them from getting their teeth kicked in on a regular basis, and since Royce has such a tiny resume against decent opposition besides Matt Hughes and Sakuraba, NO I don't have footage of them tapping out so yeah you got me there, I suppose.

HOWEVER, nobody from my memory has quit (Sakuraba, after Kimo fight) lied (Rickson and his bullshit 500 and 0 record or whatever he was claiming) cheated (Royce and his failed steroid test) and manipulated the rules to benefit them (16 Man Pride Grand Prix) more than the Gracie clan.

 My point was and still.
 The Gracie's don't tap out, none of then.

 BTW... Royce was caught using Deca. the only thing Deca does to you is lubricate your joints.

[Palpatine Q]

My point was and still.
 The Gracie's don't tap out, none of then.

Okay...you have made your point, while ignoring the LARGER point....they quit.

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Okay...you have made your point, while ignoring the LARGER point....they quit.

 I'm here just to prove my point and  talk about the tap out situation, screwed the rest.























 




































  Serious now. quitting against who?

[Palpatine Q]

I'm here just to prove my point and  talk about the tap out situation, screwed the rest.



 Serious now. quitting against who?

Fuck if i know....I'm going by what polysaccharides said.

I don't follow that stuff. My brother used to get those fucking tapes over 15 years ago and try and make me watch them, with Tank Abbot and those dudes

[polychronopolous]

Serious now. quitting against who?

Sakuraba made a Gracie quit in their own manipulative rules they forced upon Pride like a bunch of gangsters.

Royce Gracie also quit against this man, I mean the dude doesn't even have all his teeth and he has a fucking mullet...I seriously don't know which one is more pathetic out of the two....

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Sakuraba made a Gracie quit in their own manipulative rules they forced upon Pride like a bunch of gangsters.

Royce Gracie also quit against this man, I mean the dude doesn't even have all his teeth and he has a fucking mullet...I seriously don't know which one is more pathetic out of the two....

 Do you have anything to back up theory/gossip or whatever you might have it?
 Does the "quit" occurred in the ring?


 Oh yeah!!! he didn't fight Harold because of this.

 

 What would you do? Royce was a 3 time UFC champion already at the time. why risk?

 


 Follow us Groink.

[pugalist666]

My point was and still.
 The Gracie's don't tap out, none of then.

 BTW... Royce was caught using Deca. the only thing Deca does to you is lubricate your joints.

[polychronopolous]

 Do you have anything to back up theory/gossip or whatever you might have it?
 And the "quit" occurred in the ring?



 Follow us Groink.

Sure, look it up on wikipedia, it's clear as day. I will spare you from cut and pasting the whole Royce Gracie page but here are some excerpts proving my point.

2000-05-01    Loss    12–2–1    Japan Kazushi Sakuraba    PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 Finals    TKO (Corner Stoppage)    Round 6, 15:00

"Royce advanced to the quarterfinals by beating Sakuraba's stablemate Nobuhiko Takada, before finding himself matched up with Sakuraba. Gracie and Sakuraba battled for an hour and a half. Early in the fight, Sakuraba nearly ended things with a knee-bar towards the end of the first round. Later on, Gracie applied a guillotine choke at the end of round 2 which Sakuraba eventually escaped due of the bell ending the round. As the confrontation stretched on, Sakuraba's wrestling skills and balance nullified Royce's ability to score a takedown. After the 90 minute battle, punishing leg kicks showed their effects. Royce's brother, with Royce's full acknowledgement, threw in the towel during the intermission. Gracie had suffered a broken foot from accumulated damage. After the match, Gracie and Sakuraba embraced in the ring. Gracious in victory, Sakuraba pointed to Gracie as the superior ground-technician when questioned as to why he didn't engage him on the ground more frequently. Sakuraba would go on to defeat other members of the Gracie family including Renzo Gracie and Ryan Gracie earning him the nickname "Gracie Hunter."[5]"

1994-09-09    Loss    8–1    Canada Harold Howard    UFC 3: The American Dream    TKO (Towel Thrown Before Start of Match)

Let us not forget the time he choked out Ken Shamrock USING HIS GI AS STRANGULATION DEVICE while Ken Shamrock was barred from using his wrestling shoes. God forbid the Gracies ever fought a match where the rules weren't stacked to benefit their particular form of martial arts.....

[Palpatine Q]

My point was and still.
 The Gracie's don't tap out, none of then.

 BTW... Royce was caught using Deca. the only thing Deca does to you is lubricate your joints.

Holy crap i missed that....dude i can't even talk to you after that  

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Sure, look it up on wikipedia, clear as day, i will spare you from cut and pasting the whole Royce Gracie page but here are some excerpts proving my point.

2000-05-01    Loss    12–2–1    Japan Kazushi Sakuraba    PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 Finals    TKO (Corner Stoppage)    Round 6, 15:00

Royce advanced to the quarterfinals by beating Sakuraba's stablemate Nobuhiko Takada, before finding himself matched up with Sakuraba. Gracie and Sakuraba battled for an hour and a half. Early in the fight, Sakuraba nearly ended things with a knee-bar towards the end of the first round. Later on, Gracie applied a guillotine choke at the end of round 2 which Sakuraba eventually escaped due of the bell ending the round. As the confrontation stretched on, Sakuraba's wrestling skills and balance nullified Royce's ability to score a takedown. After the 90 minute battle, punishing leg kicks showed their effects. Royce's brother, with Royce's full acknowledgement, threw in the towel during the intermission. Gracie had suffered a broken foot from accumulated damage. After the match, Gracie and Sakuraba embraced in the ring. Gracious in victory, Sakuraba pointed to Gracie as the superior ground-technician when questioned as to why he didn't engage him on the ground more frequently. Sakuraba would go on to defeat other members of the Gracie family including Renzo Gracie and Ryan Gracie earning him the nickname "Gracie Hunter."[5]

1994-09-09    Loss    8–1    Canada Harold Howard    UFC 3: The American Dream    TKO (Towel Thrown Before Start of Match)

Let us not forget the time he choked out Ken Shamrock USING HIS GI AS STRANGULATION DEVICE while Ken Shamrock was barred from using his wrestling shoes. God forbid the Gracies ever fought a match where the rules weren't stacked to benefit their particular form of martial arts.....

 Oh yeah!! you just forgot to highlighted that Royce was fighting with a broken foot after a 90 minute.
 
 Rules to benefit Royce? in the beginning of UFC , fighters were  aloud to headbutt inside the guard.  

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

Am I wrong?

[Palpatine Q]

Am I wrong?

No you are right, but you kinda left out the fact that it also makes a lot you bigger and stronger

[polychronopolous]

 Rules to benefit Royce? in the beginning of UFC , fighters were  aloud to headbutt inside the guard.  

 

"In the semi-finals, Gracie fought Ken Shamrock, who showed excellent grappling skills in his first-round submission win over Patrick Smith. Gracie immediately rushed Shamrock, who sprawled effectively and got on top of Gracie. Shamrock then grabbed Gracie's ankle and sat back to attempt the same finishing hold he used to finish his first match, but Gracie rolled on top of him and secured a rear choke that forced Shamrock to tap the mat in submission. Shamrock later stated that Gracie used his gi suit as a tool for ligature strangulation to perform the submission, protesting the fact that he was not allowed to wear his wrestling shoes because the event organisers had stated that it could be used as a weapon"

The Gracie family practically WERE the event organizers at that particular point in time....

""Businessman Art Davie met Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu pioneer Rorion Gracie in 1991 while researching martial arts for a marketing client. Gracie operated a Brazilian jiu-jitsu school in Torrance, California and the Gracie family had a long history of vale tudo matches - a precursor of modern mixed martial arts - in Brazil. Davie became Gracie's student."

"In 1992, inspired by the Gracies in Action video-series produced by the Gracies and featuring Gracie jiu-jitsu defeating various martial-arts masters, Davie proposed to Rorion Gracie and John Milius an eight-man, single-elimination tournament with a title of War of the Worlds. The tournament would feature martial artists from different disciplines facing each other in no-holds-barred combat to determine the best martial art and would aim to replicate the excitement of the matches Davie had seen on the videos.""

[pugalist666]

No you are right, but you kinda left out the fact that it also makes a lot you bigger and stronger

no groink ken just wanted to " lube up the old joints"

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

No you are right, but you kinda left out the fact that it also makes a lot you bigger and stronger

 Royce was huge and strong against Hughes. right?

[pugalist666]

Royce was huge and strong against Hughes. right?

royce is a small,small man, no amount of drugs can compensate for his shit genetics , much like severedmantestes

[GRACIE JIU-JITSU]

"In the semi-finals, Gracie fought Ken Shamrock, who showed excellent grappling skills in his first-round submission win over Patrick Smith. Gracie immediately rushed Shamrock, who sprawled effectively and got on top of Gracie. Shamrock then grabbed Gracie's ankle and sat back to attempt the same finishing hold he used to finish his first match, but Gracie rolled on top of him and secured a rear choke that forced Shamrock to tap the mat in submission. Shamrock later stated that Gracie used his gi suit as a tool for ligature strangulation to perform the submission, protesting the fact that he was not allowed to wear his wrestling shoes because the event organisers had stated that it could be used as a weapon"

The Gracie family practically WERE the event organizers at that particular point in time....

""Businessman Art Davie met Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu pioneer Rorion Gracie in 1991 while researching martial arts for a marketing client. Gracie operated a Brazilian jiu-jitsu school in Torrance, California and the Gracie family had a long history of vale tudo matches - a precursor of modern mixed martial arts - in Brazil. Davie became Gracie's student."

"In 1992, inspired by the Gracies in Action video-series produced by the Gracies and featuring Gracie jiu-jitsu defeating various martial-arts masters, Davie proposed to Rorion Gracie and John Milius an eight-man, single-elimination tournament with a title of War of the Worlds. The tournament would feature martial artists from different disciplines facing each other in no-holds-barred combat to determine the best martial art and would aim to replicate the excitement of the matches Davie had seen on the videos.""

 Oh yeah!! you just forgot to highlighted that Royce was fighting with a broken foot after a 90 minute.