Diet opinions please

[tbombz]

LOL...no he's not right, lol. marathon runners, especially experienced one's take in probably twice as many calories as we do. I have a tri-athlete I just got done training for a triathlon this weekend up in Sonoma and I've had him on as many as 6500 and he dropped but quick. And yes, we did strength training as well. 

thats an issue of calorie output exceeding calorie input. cardio doesnt necessarily have to cause that. and it definitely doesnt have to be intense marathon-runner cardio.  cardio itself isnt going to cause weight loss, let alone musle loss. whether it causes weight loss to happen is an issue of calories in vs. calories out.. whether it causes muscle loss would be mostly dependant on protein intake except for cases of excessive endurance cardio.. although the legs can probably take a lot more cardio than the upper body

[War-Horse]

Keep calories at maintenence level, do no cardio.  Add green beans or broccoli to 3 of 6 meals (1cup)   2 meals are a whey isolate drink with mct or fish cpsules.   Eat only complex carbs. ( Steel cut oats, beans r my choice) I may trade out for brown rice after a week or so.   Boiled chicken, tuna, and whey drink are your protien.

After 6 weeks you can add 20 min of cardio if needed.....may not need it tho.   This will keep muscle full while leaning you out quickly.......its working well for me!

Again you need to only add things as time goes by!!    If you started full blast with cardio and hard diet then you have no where to go if things stop.

[wavelength]

Badaboom, Badaboom...

Are you saying that Tbombz and WL are talking out of their asses?

See, i thought so.

LOL

[DK II]

LOL

[MORTALCOIL]

thats an issue of calorie output exceeding calorie input. cardio doesnt necessarily have to cause that. and it definitely doesnt have to be intense marathon-runner cardio.  cardio itself isnt going to cause weight loss, let alone musle loss. whether it causes weight loss to happen is an issue of calories in vs. calories out.. whether it causes muscle loss would be mostly dependant on protein intake except for cases of excessive endurance cardio.. although the legs can probably take a lot more cardio than the upper body

If one follows that idea, the intensity of your cardio has absolutely no effect on muscle loss, right? So energy systems have no impact whatsoever? Beg to differ. A DK said, unless you're juiced up as to maintain muscle mass, you will lose muscle mass when producing long and intense cardio efforts. Marathon runners don't look the way they do because they don't do strength training or don't eat enought protein, their bodies adapt to the effort.

[Coach is Back!]

No DK, not in so many words.

[BIG ACH]

Both? LOL

When I get ready for a show, I gradually decrease calories (Usually by decreasing carbs), and gradually increase cardio!


This debate has been going on forever, and I have yet to find a clear answer....

The book Sliced by Bill Reynolds and Negrita Jayde discusses the importance of focusing on keeping calories as high as you can and increasing cardio.  But my old prep coach, Sean Sullivan (IFPA Natural Pro) would preach the opposite emphasizing the importance of keeping cardio as low as you possibly can and tinkering with the reduction of calories.

Personally, I would rather eat less and do less cardio, than eat more and do more cardio!   But when prepping for a show, it never goes how you want it hahaah  I always end up eating less and doing more cardio LOL

Good Luck!

[Voice of Doom]

Cardio should be a part of your training regime regardless of your goals.  Being able to run if you have is important for the species.

[coltrane]

Both? LOL

When I get ready for a show, I gradually decrease calories (Usually by decreasing carbs), and gradually increase cardio!


This debate has been going on forever, and I have yet to find a clear answer....

The book Sliced by Bill Reynolds and Negrita Jayde discusses the importance of focusing on keeping calories as high as you can and increasing cardio.  But my old prep coach, Sean Sullivan (IFPA Natural Pro) would preach the opposite emphasizing the importance of keeping cardio as low as you possibly can and tinkering with the reduction of calories.

Personally, I would rather eat less and do less cardio, than eat more and do more cardio!   But when prepping for a show, it never goes how you want it hahaah  I always end up eating less and doing more cardio LOL

Good Luck!

Thanks for this response.  I personally think it is wiser to keep cals higher and increase cardio.  Would seem to me that this would faciliate fat loss while holding onto muscle at the same time. 

[tbombz]

If one follows that idea, the intensity of your cardio has absolutely no effect on muscle loss, right? So energy systems have no impact whatsoever? Beg to differ. A DK said, unless you're juiced up as to maintain muscle mass, you will lose muscle mass when producing long and intense cardio efforts. Marathon runners don't look the way they do because they don't do strength training or don't eat enought protein, their bodies adapt to the effort.

you shoudl re-read my post that you replied to. i talked about extreme endurance cardio. I agree that excessive cardio has the ability to slo down muscle growth, and could even possible cause muscle loss. but cardio will only have that effect if its consistant and extreme in relation to the persons level of conditioning. i do remember reading articles in md about the anti-hypertophy effects of endurance exercise. in the real world, especially because most endurance exercise is done mainly with the legs and the legs respond well to high reps and endurance training, most people dont experience any muscle loss, or any slow-down in growth either. now, if we are talking about kai green, or any extremely well developed bb'er, then yes cardio can definitely limit growth and cause muscle loss. but thats a very diffferent story from the average joe, even the average joe bb'er on juice. 

[io856]

kai greene does his cardio pretty intense looking at those prep vids

[tbombz]

kai greene does his cardio pretty intense looking at those prep vids

good point

[BIG ACH]

kai greene does his cardio pretty intense looking at those prep vids

Well, Grapefruit is a natural diuretic 

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