Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[Hulkster]

The old everyone agrees with me plea? who agrees with you? whoever does is wrong as well , go and collect an army of people who agree with you they'll all share in your stupidity.

actually, the entire bb community agrees. and they are correct as the pics and vids overwhelmingly verify.

you idiots are the only two people on the planet that think that Ronnie and Flex were really close in 98.

and the only reason you do is so you can use the scorecard to suit your agenda.

fact is, the scorecard and onstage show two completely different things.

the score card (actually, the final score) shows a close contest between two competitors if you look at the numbers alone.

the onstage reality shows ronnie was far far ahead.

but like Flex said, he went into that contest 'with his name on the title' and that obviously influenced the judges scoring, at least in the first two rounds.

[Mr. Magoo]

There is a criteria to determine who is better , you don't wanna follow that and based your opinions solely on preference and strength NO problem but I deal with reality

you sound like Victor Richards BTW

This is your flaw. Your "reality" is just what has already been predetermined criteria in how to judge a contest. Your opinion just follows what other peoples opinion has already said before you ever came along. Your "formula" is just someone else's opinion. There is not a criteria, there are just peoples opinions. Just because you follow behind a large group doesn't mean you're correct. It's like determining if a girl is hot or not, it just depends on who is looking, there is no standard check off list to go down before making a decision to make sure your decision is the "right" one.

and just a fyi, if you dont think that contests are based on "preference" then you are more stupid than i thought

[Palpatine Q]

This is your flaw. Your "reality" is just what has already been predetermined criteria in how to judge a contest. Your opinion just follows what other peoples opinion has already said before you ever came along. Your "formula" is just someone else's opinion. There is not a criteria, there are just peoples opinions. Just because you follow behind a large group doesn't mean you're correct. It's like determining if a girl is hot or not, it just depends on who is looking, there is no standard check off list to go down before making a decision to make sure your decision is the "right" one.

and just a fyi, if you dont think that contests are based on "preference" then you are more stupid than i thought

Good post, well spoken with sound logic.

ND can't comprehend things like that 

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is your flaw. Your "reality" is just what has already been predetermined criteria in how to judge a contest. Your opinion just follows what other peoples opinion has already said before you ever came along. Your "formula" is just someone else's opinion. There is not a criteria, there are just peoples opinions. Just because you follow behind a large group doesn't mean you're correct. It's like determining if a girl is hot or not, it just depends on who is looking, there is no standard check off list to go down before making a decision to make sure your decision is the "right" one.

and just a fyi, if you dont think that contests are based on "preference" then you are more stupid than i thought

It's not a flaw its the rule , it's how contests are judged period. and I'm going by the criteria set forth what else and what am  I supposed to base who is the better bodybuilder on? who can bench & squat more? wonderful logic    there is no criteria just peoples opinions , yeah peoples opinions on who meets the criteria better than his contemporaries and when 13 different people all come to the same conclusion based off the criteria a winner is based off that , you don't like the criteria that's your problem but it's how contests are judged

and who said I follow a large group? it's the minority opinion Dorian is better and the minority judges contests , who is the large group? this isn't American Idol where the masses choose whose the best and contests are based on preferences , the judges prefer the athlete who satisfies the criteria better than his competition and seeing both the high & lows are toss out this all but eliminates a judge who is more biased towards a ' favorite ' athlete

[NarcissisticDeity]

Good post, well spoken with sound logic.

ND can't comprehend things like that 

sound logic? there is  " NO criteria " that's sound logic you're just as dumb as he is if you buy into that.

there is a criteria and there is a way to objectively ascertain who satisfies it more than another person , it's how it goes if you agree or not it doesn't change facts.

When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
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“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[Shockwave]

Hahaha owned.

competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hahaha owned.

No , no the IFBB judging criteria doesn't apply to Ronnie , he's beyond that even though he served him very well for a long time 

it's only someone's opinion that Ronnie's calves are indeed higher than Dorian and lack his classic diamond shape and great development and separation of the gastrocnemious inner & outer heads as well as the soleus , and because it's only an ' opinion ' it doesn't make it true

fucking terrific logic 

[Hulkster]

competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

exactly. and Ronnie is superior to dorian in these exact criteria:

thanks for posting this!:

[Hulkster]

..nice quads Doz. did you steal those from a nationals competitor? LMAO.

[Nirvana]

Nirvana comment on this post of ND's
Youre a complete and utter moron, ive said it before, ill say it again.
You post "proof" I say I see Dorian winning. All the sudden you say, you didnt say that before, which I clearly did. So either you just didnt pay attention, or youre truely mentally retarded.

IN ADDITION TO saying that its widely known that Dorian had something special when seen in person. as stated HERE.

  Get fucked.

calm down meltwave see a specialist, I should have noted that only ND changed his mind about those pics.

[Nirvana]

schockwave wins the argument because he gets the maddest and melts down the hardest

[Shockwave]

calm down meltwave see a specialist, I should have noted that only ND changed his mind about those pics.

Fair enough.

[Shockwave]

exactly. and Ronnie is superior to dorian in these exact criteria:

thanks for posting this!:

HAHAHAHAH!!!!
Lets see for years when ND posted that you simply ignored it, suddenly when he posted the OFFICIAL criteria you say Ronnie meets it more when he clearly doesnt? Like I said Hulkster, Im pretty sure thats a legitimate condition you have, where you make things up in your head and try and make them a reality. hahaha.
Hahah Ronnie is superior in density, conditioning and balance. You just confirmed you dont know anything about bodybuilding. hahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

exactly. and Ronnie is superior to dorian in these exact criteria:

thanks for posting this!:

Poor kid acting like this is the first time it's ever been posted , I've posted it dozens of times and you denied it even more.

you can't even get Ronnie's best year right , you're the guy who thinks Dorian lost in 93 and Ronnie dominated in 01 and Ronnie has more detail when it comes to physique evaluation you've proven yourself to be a complete moron.

[NarcissisticDeity]

calm down meltwave see a specialist, I should have noted that only ND changed his mind about those pics.

I never changed my mind , they're not accurate and that's a fact and Dorian still tramples him in terms of detail , density , dryness and balance & proportion oh and he's more complete too

[Palpatine Q]

The judges also thought Ronnie fit that criteria the best 8 times

You twats act like Ronnie never won the damn thing, he won more than Dorian

Size and SHAPE are also part of the criteria...Dorian got a little drier...no question. Ronnies Size, shape and structure trump that IMO.

PS  Ronnie got pretty fucking cut himself 

[NarcissisticDeity]

HAHAHAHAH!!!!
Lets see for years when ND posted that you simply ignored it, suddenly when he posted the OFFICIAL criteria you say Ronnie meets it more when he clearly doesnt? Like I said Hulkster, Im pretty sure thats a legitimate condition you have, where you make things up in your head and try and make them a reality. hahaha.
Hahah Ronnie is superior in density, conditioning and balance. You just confirmed you dont know anything about bodybuilding. hahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hulkster has confirmed many , many times how he doesn't know the basics of bodybuilding , when he said Dorian should have lost in 1993 to Flex , when he said Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time because he dominated so much , that 94 was the most controversial Mr Olympia and 01 Ronnie dominated by losing the entire prejudging , that Ronnie 99 was more grainy than Dorian ever was , that Ronnie 99 is his best , that Ronnie 99 had more detailed calves than Dorian ever did , that Dorian's wins were the result of politics and NONE of Ronnies were , that Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , that 1998 was NOT a close contest , that Dorian is missing entire arm because one bicep is shorter than the other , I mean I shit you not I can honestly keep going on 

he NEVER gets anything right , even the basics he's stupid and proud and that's a bad combo

[NarcissisticDeity]

The judges also thought Ronnie fit that criteria the best 8 times

You twats act like Ronnie never won the damn thing, he won more than Dorian

Size and SHAPE are also part of the criteria...Dorian got a little drier...no question. Ronnies Size, shape and structure trump that IMO.

PS  Ronnie got pretty fucking cut himself  

The judges did think Ronnie fit the criteria relative to who he was competing with and Ronnie did but he wasn't competing with Yates

Ronnie won more than Dorian? he lost more than Dorian too his win/loss ratio is 40% Dorian's is 88% , Dorian NEVER once placed lower than second in a pro contest that record still stands.

Size and SHAPE are part of the criteria absolutely and I've said many , many times that Ronnie meets part or parts of the criteria better than Dorian but not ALL of the criteria

Ronnie did get pretty dry and hard like 98/01 but it was always at his lightest , Dorian could get just as hard and dry while retaining much more size while being better balanced and a better poser which sums up most of the criteria

[NarcissisticDeity]

actually, the entire bb community agrees. and they are correct as the pics and vids overwhelmingly verify.

you idiots are the only two people on the planet that think that Ronnie and Flex were really close in 98.

and the only reason you do is so you can use the scorecard to suit your agenda.

fact is, the scorecard and onstage show two completely different things.

the score card (actually, the final score) shows a close contest between two competitors if you look at the numbers alone.

the onstage reality shows ronnie was far far ahead.

but like Flex said, he went into that contest 'with his name on the title' and that obviously influenced the judges scoring, at least in the first two rounds.

lmfao the scorecard don't matter and everyone agrees with you 98 wasn't close hahahahahaha the fact you continue to post this garbage only serves to prove me right.

[Hulkster]

Poor kid acting like this is the first time it's ever been posted , I've posted it dozens of times and you denied it even more.

of course you have,  many times.

but there are new people on this thread (nirvana) so they may not have seen it before.

still, I thank you for posting it yet again.

it just re-enforces what we already know: ronnie fullfills the criteria much better than dorian.

[Hulkster]

Size and SHAPE are also part of the criteria...Dorian got a little drier...no question. Ronnies Size, shape and structure trump that IMO.

yup:

not even close if you apply the criteria:

ronnie has better shape, same size, better detail, its game over for 'The Keg' as Pumpster would say LOL.

[Shockwave]

of course you have,  many times.

but there are new people on this thread (nirvana) so they may not have seen it before.

still, I thank you for posting it yet again.

it just re-enforces what we already know: ronnie fullfills the criteria much better than dorian.

HAHAHA!!!! Yeah right you fucktwit. Youve been arguing against that criteria for as long as I can remember, suddenly its right here fucking your face and your trying to side with it and use it to your advantage? Your a real piece of work Hulkster. Are you a lawyer? Or maybe a politician? Ive never seen anyone so adept at trying to spin things around when youre getting fucked in the ass. hahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Hahahah Ronnie filling the criteria better, oh brother hahahah what an idea, hahaha posing, balance and proportion, density and dryness, MUSCULAR BULK, hahahah when Ronnie was smaller and lighter, haha oh brother monster delusions.


Hulkster, hahah oh brother what a name, you cant handle that Ronnie never beat Dorian, that Ronnie was never as thick as Dorian, and that Ronnie was never as dry and conditioned while being as large as Dorian.

You cant handle Dorian. HahahahHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[NarcissisticDeity]

of course you have,  many times.

but there are new people on this thread (nirvana) so they may not have seen it before.

still, I thank you for posting it yet again.

it just re-enforces what we already know: ronnie fullfills the criteria much better than dorian.

Yes and you denied it and made up excuses and that blew up in your face and when pushed on how he meets it better you never could explain why as usual , run when pushed on your empty claims , just like you did when I asked you how Ronnie's hams were better and you can't respond intelligently as usual just ignore it

you can't even get his best year right and that's pretty fucking basic , you wouldn't know who ' fullfills' ( sic ) the criteria better , you're the guy who claimed Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian LMFAO

you know nothing , and we ALL know that 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yup:

not even close if you apply the criteria:

ronnie has better shape, same size, better detail, its game over for 'The Keg' as Pumpster would say LOL.

Yup posting pics of Dorian not even flexing , yup Hulkster is proving he's scared of Yates , and his two favorite poses the standing relaxed and most muscular HAHAHAHAHA

how's Ronnie's shape in the calf department? hows his shape in the midsection? hows his shape in the forearms? how the shape of his side triceps pose? hows the shape of his ab-thigh? or front latspread?

Hulkster = blanket statements and no proof oh I mean shots of Ronnie flexed and Dorian not hahahahaha

let me try that , " Hey look everyone Dorian blows Ronnie out of the water in this pose. " retard

[NarcissisticDeity]

HAHAHA!!!! Yeah right you fucktwit. Youve been arguing against that criteria for as long as I can remember, suddenly its right here fucking your face and your trying to side with it and use it to your advantage? Your a real piece of work Hulkster. Are you a lawyer? Or maybe a politician? Ive never seen anyone so adept at trying to spin things around when youre getting fucked in the ass. hahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Hahahah Ronnie filling the criteria better, oh brother hahahah what an idea, hahaha posing, balance and proportion, density and dryness, MUSCULAR BULK, hahahah when Ronnie was smaller and lighter, haha oh brother monster delusions.


Hulkster, hahah oh brother what a name, you cant handle that Ronnie never beat Dorian, that Ronnie was never as thick as Dorian, and that Ronnie was never as dry and conditioned while being as large as Dorian.

You cant handle Dorian. HahahahHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh he hated when I posted that criteria said pics and videos mean something and words don't lol Hulkster the turncoat has to try and save face now and claim the criteria fits Ronnie better 

this is how moronic these guys are they actually tried to argue that Ronnie 2001 at 247lbs carried more muscular bulk than Dorian did at 269lbs I shit you not , these are the people we're dealing with.