Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[Palpatine Q]

No and why? because ....... you seem to know an awful lot about many of my old posts that's why  

You asked on my opinion is more valid , I gave you a explanation and now you're bitching , great logic. you know you can't counter the argument so chalk it up as a ' rant ' or better yet a ' meltdown ' either you're here to debate or troll pick one , doesn't matter to me because my informed , educated opinion on the subject will be here waiting to correct you.

It's called "remembering things you read" , not exactly an exotic concept  

You are correct...i don't "counter" your argument because it's pointless...you have your opinion and nothing I , or anyone else says is going to sway it.

That's my whole point.....you think you are somehow "winning" this neverending debate...it's funny to me.

If i was frustrated i would constantly be posting volatile diatribes calling everyone who doesn't agree with me stupid (like you do )

[NeoSeminole]

so when you answer my posts...it's "merely responding"...but i "hang on your every word" when i respond to you??

why do you think people sometimes call him "HypocriticDeity?"

[NarcissisticDeity]

It's called "remembering things you read" , not exactly an exotic concept  

You are correct...i don't "counter" your argument because it's pointless...you have your opinion and nothing I , or anyone else says is going to sway it.

That's my whole point.....you think you are somehow "winning" this neverending debate...it's funny to me.

If i was frustrated i would constantly be posting volatile diatribes calling everyone who doesn't agree with me stupid (like you do )

NO you think that I think I'm winning , you keep insisting that I'm out to win , I'm not out to win anything like I said to you I offered a truce if I were out to win I would have never done that , if I were looking to win I wouldn't have walked from the truce thread , this debate doesn't mean as much to me as you'd like to think it does , it's not the only topic I post in like Hulkster

If I were frustrated I wish other members be run over by a bus and be paralyzed for life   

[NarcissisticDeity]

why do you think people sometimes call him "HypocriticDeity?"

Hello pot


Says the guy who come into one of these ' debates ' bitches and moans about ' you guys are still at it ' then proceeds to join right in    says the guy who claims Peter McGough is right when he says Ronnie 2001 is unbeatable but says he's flat out wrong when he says Ronnie doesn't compare in terms of conditioning , I can continue to point out many examples of your hypocrisy if you'd like? 

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

[mesmorph78]

puny arms, weird legs, all back...ugly, disgusting physique

totally agree.... Ugly physique ...
I've read this thread and what I will say is
Nd you are totally obsessed you have posted at least 3 more times than anybody else on this thread
totally obsessed .  Bodybuilding is based on op ion not fact
relax man get ahold of yourself

[mesmorph78]

If you were actually man enough to cop to that, i would be shocked...but apparently winning this argument is life and death for you and it seems beyond your scope to even concede the slightest point someone makes

this is very true ... Nd Stop go back and read this thread you have had maybe 5 trimes more posts on this thread than anyone else most of them essay long . I'm guessing you must have these saved as templates on your computer....
Please do not misconstrue I actually respect you as a person you seem quite intelligent and level headed UNTIL anyone mentions Dorian v ronnie

[Shockwave]

most brilliant post in this thread! Whether it's a contest to see who looks the best or worst, Ronnie is unbeatable

Neo I dont know why you keep up this charade, you and I both know you are a closet Dorian lover, I dont understand why you keep on riling this argument up. 

[JP_RC]

Checkout this high quality vid of the 94 Olympia posedown:


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I don't care what the haters think. Yates was unbeatable once again in 94 and the videos prove it.

Yes, Dorian was the clear winner in 94 and unbeatable as far as the judging criteria goes, but his physique was still awful and unaesthetic anyway.

[Shockwave]

Yes, Dorian was the clear winner in 94 and unbeatable as far as the judging criteria goes, but his physique was still awful and unaesthetic anyway.

I dont think any of us will argue that point.
Good thing you dont have to be pretty or aesthetic to win the Mr. O, or Dorian woulda been fucked.
Heres another pic or 2 that Hulkster cried morphed too. 

[Palpatine Q]

NO you think that I think I'm winning , you keep insisting that I'm out to win , I'm not out to win anything like I said to you I offered a truce if I were out to win I would have never done that , if I were looking to win I wouldn't have walked from the truce thread , this debate doesn't mean as much to me as you'd like to think it does , it's not the only topic I post in like Hulkster

If I were frustrated I wish other members be run over by a bus and be paralyzed for life   

You keep posting that like you "got me" or something  ...It was an off the cuff remark that I never even thought twice about.

 I said it ONCE....not 16 times a day for six years straight 

[NarcissisticDeity]

You keep posting that like you "got me" or something  ...It was an off the cuff remark that I never even thought twice about.

 I said it ONCE....not 16 times a day for six years straight 

No you're obviously mistaken on what a meltdown is and what frustrated is and I just pointed that out of a prime example of both

and again I'm glad you follow my every word 

[Immortal_Technique]

Dorian had some crazy thickness from all Angles that Ronnie lacked.

That's called being in black and white.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's called being in black and white.

You think that helps with thickness? 

[Shockwave]

That's called being in black and white.

O rly?

[NarcissisticDeity]

O rly?

for some odd reason his arms don't look big when viewed dead-on but when he turns to the side it's a different story

[Shockwave]

for some odd reason his arms don't look big when viewed dead-on but when he turns to the side it's a different story

Im not normally one to defend his biceps, but his FDB looked pretty fucking good in 93. I dont think there is anything wrong with his arms in 93. I think people just get so down on him cause of the tear, that they dont care about pre-tear, they just think "oh his arms sucked" and thats how they percieve him.

[Shockwave]

Another. Pretty fucking A'ok if you ask me.
And really, this is Dorians weakest pose after the MM. Dude isnt one of those bb that everyone is like "holy fucking shit", hes just got everything he needs to win. He didnt need to have the best arms, the best legs, the best chest, etc. He just had a great combo of size, balance, completeness and conditioning. Thats all he needed. He just won, period.

[Neptune100]

It speaks to Ronnie's greatness that he, by far, is regarded as the best bodybuilder ever, even though he competed and never beat Dorian Yates during his 6xOlympia run.  What Ronnie achieved after Dorian's reign is why Ronnie is regarded as the best ever, and Dorian is not.  Sorry Dorian diehards, but there are several physiques regarded as better than Dorians including Arnold, Olivia, Haney and Coleman.  However, there could only be 1 physique argued to be better than Ronnies, and thats Arnold.  Dorian will never be considered greater than Coleman by the vast majority of bodybuilding fans, even though he never lost to him, which only speaks to how great Ronnie was from 99 on.  The only individuals who think Dorian is better than Ronnie are Dorian's extreme fans, which all that support Dorian in this debate are, and which is why I really dont consider your opinions whatsoever.

[Shockwave]

It speaks to Ronnie's greatness that he, by far, is regarded as the best bodybuilder ever, even though he competed and never beat Dorian Yates during his 6xOlympia run.  What Ronnie achieved after Dorian's reign is why Ronnie is regarded as the best ever, and Dorian is not.  Sorry Dorian diehards, but there are several physiques regarded as better than Dorians including Arnold, Olivia, Haney and Coleman.  However, there could only be 1 physique argued to be better than Ronnies, and thats Arnold.  Dorian will never be considered greater than Coleman by the vast majority of bodybuilding fans, even though he never lost to him, which only speaks to how great Ronnie was from 99 on.  The only individuals who think Dorian is better than Ronnie are Dorian's extreme fans, which all that support Dorian in this debate are, and which is why I really dont consider your opinions whatsoever.

Haha youve been reading to much FLEX magazine.
Everyone thinks Ronnie is the greatest because he won 8 O's and he was the largest Mr O ever.
Thats why. Not to mention he won over pretty shitty competition. lol.
And hes lost his title, defied all the rules in the IFBB rulebook (No posing trunks up ass, stage props), came in looking like shit almost MORE than Dorian, and was gifted the wins just like Dorian.
Look, we dont care that he wont be considered the greatest by the BB community.

In case you didnt notice, most people are idiots and they believe whatever they are spoon fed. They dont know shit. People are simply dumbasses, and that group mentality is the stupidest argument you could ever come up with.

Not to mention, usually when a bunch of people think something, they are WRONG. lol.

[Immortal_Technique]

There you go speaking for Ronnie , you put way , way to much stock into 2003 even Ronnie himself says it ain't his best , don't presume to speak for Ronnie

You think Ronnie believes Haney would beat him too I needn't presume to speak for Ronnie to postulate that comment is likely based primarily on respecting past champions. You're right I cannot be sure, he may well genuinely believe Arnold would beat him too. In which case I guess that would make you think it too?

It was after 2003 super-sized Ronnie happened that Dorian conceded in MD that "Ronnie would probably win".

You don't think Ronnie improved between 97 and 98 despite overtaking Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Nasser et al. This incredibly odd assertion hinders your argument somewhat.

Also the Dorian argument is based almost entirely on b/w pics, pre-contest pics etc. Contests are won on a stage.

[Shockwave]

You think Ronnie believes Haney would beat him too I needn't presume to speak for Ronnie to postulate that comment is likely based primarily on respecting past champions. You're right I cannot be sure, he may well genuinely believe Arnold would beat him too. In which case I guess that would make you think it too?

It was after 2003 super-sized Ronnie happened that Dorian conceded in MD that "Ronnie would probably win".

You don't think Ronnie improved between 97 and 98 despite overtaking Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Nasser et al. This incredibly odd assertion hinders your argument somewhat.

Also the Dorian argument is based almost entirely on b/w pics, pre-contest pics etc. Contests are won on a stage.

No, he realizes Ronnie improved. He weight nearly the same with much better conditioning. This follows that Ronnie gained mass.

[NarcissisticDeity]

It speaks to Ronnie's greatness that he, by far, is regarded as the best bodybuilder ever, even though he competed and never beat Dorian Yates during his 6xOlympia run.  What Ronnie achieved after Dorian's reign is why Ronnie is regarded as the best ever, and Dorian is not.  Sorry Dorian diehards, but there are several physiques regarded as better than Dorians including Arnold, Olivia, Haney and Coleman.  However, there could only be 1 physique argued to be better than Ronnies, and thats Arnold.  Dorian will never be considered greater than Coleman by the vast majority of bodybuilding fans, even though he never lost to him, which only speaks to how great Ronnie was from 99 on.  The only individuals who think Dorian is better than Ronnie are Dorian's extreme fans, which all that support Dorian in this debate are, and which is why I really dont consider your opinions whatsoever.

Not everyone feels Ronnie is the best ever

Vic Richards on Romano & Palumbo radio show 2010.

" To say Ronnie Coleman is the best bodybuilder is an insult , he doesn't even come in the top 12 "


Q ] When people talk of the greatest Olympian's Ronnie's name is usually high on the list. In fact, he is widely regarded as the best bodybuilder of all time.


[ A ] Samir Bannout :  I hate to say this but they are blind. People that don't approve of what we are talking about right now are blind. You have to understand. Look, Ronnie Coleman is probably the most muscular bodybuilder ever. If he could have drawn a better picture of himself on the stage he would have had more appeal, but he did not. He makes himself look worse. If you give Ronnie's body to Frank Zane we would probably be more in awe of his body than we are right now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You think Ronnie believes Haney would beat him too I needn't presume to speak for Ronnie to postulate that comment is likely based primarily on respecting past champions. You're right I cannot be sure, he may well genuinely believe Arnold would beat him too. In which case I guess that would make you think it too?

It was after 2003 super-sized Ronnie happened that Dorian conceded in MD that "Ronnie would probably win".

You don't think Ronnie improved between 97 and 98 despite overtaking Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Nasser et al. This incredibly odd assertion hinders your argument somewhat.

Also the Dorian argument is based almost entirely on b/w pics, pre-contest pics etc. Contests are won on a stage.

You think Ronnie believes Haney would beat him too I needn't presume to speak for Ronnie to postulate that comment is likely based primarily on respecting past champions. You're right I cannot be sure, he may well genuinely believe Arnold would beat him too. In which case I guess that would make you think it too?

he said he could't beat them in their eras , Dorian was in Ronnie's era and the main difference being , Arnold and Haney never beat Ronnie , Dorian did for years

It was after 2003 super-sized Ronnie happened that Dorian conceded in MD that "Ronnie would probably win".

you purposely omitted the part where he said ' I guess I DON'T KNOW ' and it's a fact when Dorian says it yet not when Ronnie says it , I wont make excuses and claim Dorian's just being humble I'll leave that to you guys

You don't think Ronnie improved between 97 and 98 despite overtaking Levrone, Ray, Wheeler, Nasser et al. This incredibly odd assertion hinders your argument somewhat.

Where did I say he didn't improve? he did mainly in the conditioning department , and did you forget he was beating these exact same guys before he won the Olympia?

Also the Dorian argument is based almost entirely on b/w pics, pre-contest pics etc. Contests are won on a stage.

the argument is based on who at their best , obviously a vast majority of people feel this was the best Dorian's looked , the hypothetical part is if he stepped on-stage in that condition and this may not even be the best he's looked , according to Kevin Horton it's precontest 1995 when he was 283lbs shredded in the front latspread posted on bodybuilding.com you know the one Hulkster cried morphed

Dorian admitted he was dropping to much weight in an effort to get better conditioned and he realized he wasn't losing any more fat & water he was losing pure muscle which is why 1993 precontest is considered his best because for all intents & purposes he's contest ready in those pics

[Palpatine Q]

No you're obviously mistaken on what a meltdown is and what frustrated is and I just pointed that out of a prime example of both

and again I'm glad you follow my every word 

right...I hang on your every word, I'm getting frustrated.  What's next...I'm smashing my keyboard?? 

I guess you took "internet cliches 101" right after you took "internet judging 101" 

what are you...16 years old ??

[NarcissisticDeity]

right...I hang on your every word, I'm getting frustrated.  What's next...I'm smashing my keyboard?? 

I guess you took "internet cliches 101" right after you took "internet judging 101" 

what are you...16 years old ??

wow says the guy who claims this shit is ' life or death ' for me or I'm ' melting down '  and wishes other members be hit by a bus and paralyzed for life , what are you 16? hypocrite much?