Dorian said "Ronnie would probably win, I don't know"

[NarcissisticDeity]

epic avoiding my question. Are you saying you know more about bodybuilding than Joe Weider?

No avoiding the question , is Joe Weider an IFBB judge? NOPE thanks for playing

[NarcissisticDeity]

Did Dorian say "the judges would probably choose Ronnie" when asked who would win in a contest between the both of them? Yes or no?

Did Dorian say I Guess I don't know? stop avoiding the question

[NeoSeminole]

No avoiding the question , is Joe Weider an IFBB judge? NOPE thanks for playing

irrelevant. Ronnie isn't a judge either but that doesn't stop you from posting quotes from him and defending them by saying Ronnie's opinion is more valid

now I'll ask you again: are you saying you know more about bodybuilding than Joe Weider?

[NeoSeminole]

Did Dorian say I Guess I don't know? stop avoiding the question

stop answering a question with a question. All it does is make you look bad when you don't stand behind a quote from the same guy you keep quoting

did Dorian say "the judges would probably choose Ronnie" when asked who would win in a contest between the both of them? Yes or no?

[NarcissisticDeity]

irrelevant. Ronnie isn't a judge either but that doesn't stop you from posting quotes from him and defending them by saying Ronnie's opinion is more valid

now I'll ask you again: are you saying you know more about bodybuilding than Joe Weider?

NO not according to you dumb Neo it's most certainly NOT irrelevant in fact YOU brought up the point , these guys aren't fit to judge

And the Ronnie quotes are more valid than YOURS not a judges 

Do you know more about bodybuilding than Ronnie Coleman? or Dorian Yates? because he is an IFBB judge and you scoffed at the idea that's he's better conditioned than Ronnie , he's fit to judge you're not thanks for playing and needless to say I wont be waiting for you to answer my questions

[NarcissisticDeity]

stop answering a question with a question. All it does is make you look bad when you don't stand behind a quote from the same guy you keep quoting

did Dorian say "the judges would probably choose Ronnie" when asked who would win in a contest between the both of them? Yes or no?

No you're the one being deceptive , you purposely omitted a part for a very good reason , did Dorian say to that I guess I don't know? did he also say it was a very hard question for him to answer ? stop acting like that's a definitive statement when nothing could be further than the truth

[Palpatine Q]

Nonsense , quit being a hypocrite you're guilty of doing the exact same thing , quit your bitching. 

you have twice as many posts melting over Dorian than i have in total 

[NarcissisticDeity]

you have twice as many posts melting over Dorian than i have in total 

I have a lot of correcting to do , lots of simple minded people scratching their heads wondering how things are supposed to work

you have two options , don't read my posts if they bother you so much , or keep responding it makes no difference to me , I'll do what I do and I wont try and claim I'm above the nonsense all the while I'm doing the same thing on a less scale , you're getting sucked in just like the other fanboys did remember sport it takes two to tango 

[NeoSeminole]

Could Dorian beat this?

no

[Cleanest Natural]

holy fuck !


both you 2 and anyone else "involved" are honestly fucked up in the head

[GroinkTropin]

the precedent set by judges at the Mr. Olympia is a trend favoring size. Dorian would lose to Ronnie for the same reason Gaspari lost to Haney and Dexter lost to Ronnie. As long as the biggest guy comes in with good conditioning and relatively good symmetry, he will beat out a smaller guy with great conditioning and balance.

newsflash: man landed on the moon. Any other old news you want to keep reminding us of? It's like me saying "you're the same guy who thinks 2+2=5." I may have confused balance and proportion 3 yrs ago but what does that have to do with this discussion?

You are right but missing an important thing- Dorian over dieted each and every single time and was wayyyyy dry. Trust me, knowing Ronnie was pushing him he would have hit the stage plsu 20lbs over what we saw. He held back because his competitors were so much smaller, if he came in bloated it would look really bad.

[Nirvana]

You are right but missing an important thing- Dorian over dieted each and every single time and was wayyyyy dry. Trust me, knowing Ronnie was pushing him he would have hit the stage plsu 20lbs over what we saw. He held back because his competitors were so much smaller, if he came in bloated it would look really bad.

this was impressive, this would look much better onstage

[StuartR]

this was impressive, this would look much better onstage

still no separation bro, arms in particular are awful

[NeoSeminole]

You are right but missing an important thing- Dorian over dieted each and every single time and was wayyyyy dry. Trust me, knowing Ronnie was pushing him he would have hit the stage plsu 20lbs over what we saw. He held back because his competitors were so much smaller, if he came in bloated it would look really bad.

Dorian sacrificed size and fullness for conditioning. If you argue that he over-dieted, then you take away his advantage in conditioning. It would be like me saying Ronnie at 301 lbs wouldn't be smoother if he dieted more. Then he also wouldn't be so freaking huge. If you think Dorian looked better in those pre-contest B&W pics, then you eliminate his advantage in conditioning since you are now comparing a contest Ronnie to a 6-weeks out Dorian

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian sacrificed size and fullness for conditioning. If you argue that he over-dieted, then you take away his advantage in conditioning. It would be like me saying Ronnie at 301 lbs wouldn't be smoother if he dieted more. Then he also wouldn't be so freaking huge. If you think Dorian looked better in those pre-contest B&W pics, then you eliminate his advantage in conditioning since you are now comparing a contest Ronnie to a 6-weeks out Dorian

He said outright that he was contest ready several weeks out and he just kept droppinge size in order to get harder and he realized he wasnt he came to the conclusion he was purely burning away muscle


You keep mistakenly think they are equal in terms of conditioning and they aren't Dorian would have an advantage in conditioning over Ronnie every year Ronnie may have equaled it at his lightest weights but not while carrying the size


look at Ronnie 98 his best conditioned Olympia he was just 249 lbs mext year 257lbs guess what his conditioning is off year 00 264lbs and off from 99 and way off from 98

this proves the heavier he became the worse his conditioning became Dorian could maintain higher bodyweights and still maintain his conditioning

Kevin Horton said in the 93 precontest pics he was in the top 3 in conditioning and untouchable in thickness


Dorian in no way shape or form loses ANY ground in conditioning to Ronnie especially not Ronnie at 300lbs

[NarcissisticDeity]

You are right but missing an important thing- Dorian over dieted each and every single time and was wayyyyy dry. Trust me, knowing Ronnie was pushing him he would have hit the stage plsu 20lbs over what we saw. He held back because his competitors were so much smaller, if he came in bloated it would look really bad.

Great post !

here is Dorian at 283lbs Kevin Horton said this was the best he's ever seen him precontest 1995 he said Dorian was 280-285lbs shredded he said this conditioning hasn't been equaled to this day and he's seen the all

I think this would crush any Ronnie

[Palpatine Q]

You are right but missing an important thing- Dorian over dieted each and every single time and was wayyyyy dry. Trust me, knowing Ronnie was pushing him he would have hit the stage plsu 20lbs over what we saw. He held back because his competitors were so much smaller, if he came in bloated it would look really bad.

LOLOLOL...funniest, most delusional post ever.  

Now Dorian was "holding back" and had 20 pounds of spare muscle in the tank, in case of emergency

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAA....THAT IS HYSTERICAL

Of course ND agrees  

[Palpatine Q]

Great post !

here is Dorian at 283lbs Kevin Horton said this was the best he's ever seen him precontest 1995 he said Dorian was 280-285lbs shredded he said this conditioning hasn't been equaled to this day and he's seen the all

I think this would crush any Ronnie

I see we are back to the He said/She said 

[Immortal_Technique]

Ronnie & Dorian competed at the same time , Dorian's career was cut short due to injuries , Ronnie tuned pro a year after Dorian so they were in the same era. And technically Dorian's ' era ' ended when he retired but they were contemporaries , unlike Haney and Ronnie and Arnold.

The biggest area Ronnie improved on was his conditioning , he was already winning pro shows , beating , Kev , Shawn , Flex , Nasser , he already had the size , etc

Like I said many people considered this his best and said he could compete AND win the Olympia in that condition , like Yates himself said he was already in contest shape weeks out and then he realized at that point he was just losing pure muscle so that's the difference between him and Kamali & James

Well clearly in Ronnie's quote he makes a delineation between "their respective eras" and the "era of Ronnie Coleman", so perhaps you are finding fault in the truth and correctness of the quote? Would common sense not dictate the era of Ronnie would clearly begin in '98?

Ronnie's conditioning improving is still clearly a significant improvement as it meant going from 9th to 1st. We all know size isn't the most important thing, although I do feel that since in 2003 at 287lb he still had grooves in his hams and glutes bigger than Dorian's whole body he's still in good enough condition as well as size to get the job done. There's no pics from the back - to my knowledge - of the '95 Dorian shoot that one man Kevin Horton thinks is the best he's looked despite lack of stage lighting and no comparisons with other competitors. Also as a salesman of his own photographes would he not stand to benefit from bigging up his own subject?

If only Dorian had ever brought his supposed best look to a stage your argument would be so much stronger. Black and white stills are extremly impressive but they are still grainy black and white stills taken in a studio or dinjy backroom. Ronnie has a vastly superior port folio of stage appearances in colour etc.

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOLOLOL...funniest, most delusional post ever.  

Now Dorian was "holding back" and had 20 pounds of spare muscle in the tank, in case of emergency

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAA....THAT IS HYSTERICAL

Of course ND agrees  

He had a lot more than 20lbs he was ' holding back ' on  the above pic he's 283lbs in 1995

[NarcissisticDeity]

I see we are back to the He said/She said 

Yeah he's lying too , every single bodybuilder lies about everything and bodybuilding photographers lie too , it's a mass conspiracy to push Dorian you sound a lot like Hulkster

[NeoSeminole]

He said outright that he was contest ready several weeks out and he just kept droppinge size in order to get harder and he realized he wasnt he came to the conclusion he was purely burning away muscle

lmao, sure. That's why he did it in 92, 93, 94, 95, and 96

You keep mistakenly think they are equal in terms of conditioning and they aren't Dorian would have an advantage in conditioning over Ronnie every year Ronnie may have equaled it at his lightest weights but not while carrying the size

contest Dorian vs 301 lbs Ronnie? Yes. However, 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian vs contest Ronnie? no

[NeoSeminole]

here is Dorian at 283lbs Kevin Horton said this was the best he's ever seen him precontest 1995 he said Dorian was 280-285lbs shredded he said this conditioning hasn't been equaled to this day and he's seen the all

Kevin Horton isn't a judge

[NarcissisticDeity]

Well clearly in Ronnie's quote he makes a delineation between "their respective eras" and the "era of Ronnie Coleman", so perhaps you are finding fault in the truth and correctness of the quote? Would common sense not dictate the era of Ronnie would clearly begin in '98?

Ronnie's conditioning improving is still clearly a significant improvement as it meant going from 9th to 1st. We all know size isn't the most important thing, although I do feel that since in 2003 at 287lb he still had grooves in his hams and glutes bigger than Dorian's whole body he's still in good enough condition as well as size to get the job done. There's no pics from the back - to my knowledge - of the '95 Dorian shoot that one man Kevin Horton thinks is the best he's looked despite lack of stage lighting and no comparisons with other competitors. Also as a salesman of his own photographes would he not stand to benefit from bigging up his own subject?

If only Dorian had ever brought his supposed best look to a stage your argument would be so much stronger. Black and white stills are extremly impressive but they are still grainy black and white stills taken in a studio or dinjy backroom. Ronnie has a vastly superior port folio of stage appearances in colour etc.

Well clearly in Ronnie's quote he makes a delineation between "their respective eras" and the "era of Ronnie Coleman", so perhaps you are finding fault in the truth and correctness of the quote? Would common sense not dictate the era of Ronnie would clearly begin in '98?

Well even in the era of Ronnie Coleman he's said he wouldn't beat Dorian twice after that.

Ronnie's conditioning improving is still clearly a significant improvement as it meant going from 9th to 1st. We all know size isn't the most important thing, although I do feel that since in 2003 at 287lb he still had grooves in his hams and glutes bigger than Dorian's whole body he's still in good enough condition as well as size to get the job done. There's no pics from the back - to my knowledge - of the '95 Dorian shoot that one man Kevin Horton thinks is the best he's looked despite lack of stage lighting and no comparisons with other competitors. Also as a salesman of his own photographes would he not stand to benefit from bigging up his own subject?

Ronnie had groves in his hams and striated glutes bigger than Dorian's whole body? LMFAO where do you come up with this shit? and FYI having an ass as big as someone's whole body is a very bad thing in terms of a balanced physique which is part of the judging criteria , his conditioning pales in comparison to 1998/2001 and to Dorian

The 1995 shoot Kevin said he had more pics , yet he never posted them so much for a sales tool. he'd not living or dying off of Yates pics from 16 years ago

If only Dorian had ever brought his supposed best look to a stage your argument would be so much stronger. Black and white stills are extremly impressive but they are still grainy black and white stills taken in a studio or dinjy backroom. Ronnie has a vastly superior port folio of stage appearances in colour etc.

it has absolutely nothing to due with if he was on-stage , him stepping foot on a stage doesn't change how great he looked in those photos in fact he would be much more impressive under contest lighting , posing oil and a tan. Dorian's NO slouch on-stage in fact he dominated more than any Mr Olympia before or since ON-STAGE against people

[NeoSeminole]

I see we are back to the He said/She said

Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”

Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)

"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."

Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035

"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"