Hartford Pro - David Henry got robbed!

[tendonitis]

don't expect anything to be done by Chick, he still says Cutler actually deserved the 07 Olympia title

[AC Slater]

fixed

good call.  problem is, it has been verified by multiple sources that consist of eye witness accounts of chick being at the mirage hotel that night and 'performing'.

[Chick]

actually there is lots we can do.

once we get the names of these impostors, and find out the supplement companies, gyms, businesses they are linked too, we can boycott them.

we can expose them in every show they judge, we can publicly expose them as being corrupt and not fit to judge.

we can also spread the word about these clowns on every major bodybuilding board on the net - further turning up the pressure on these judging impostors.

getbig has a big voice in the ifbb - we only have to use it.

it would also be nice if the guy who's job it is to stand up for, and represent the athletes of this sport would make a statement regarding this sham of a contest.

we know dave henry has always been very opinionated on his past shows. this has perhaps made him disliked by some, but regardless of what you think about his personality - he deserved this show.

what if this shit happened at the mr o ? he would lose thousands of $ because of 'blatant cheating' 'poor judging' or 'honest mistakes'.

all of which can and should be avoided.

every year the ifbb gets more and more ridiculous, and every year loses more and more credibility.

10 years ago there was talk about bodybuilding appearing at the olympics, now ? we have openly sexual strip shows by pros on stage, exposed ass shots in the biggest bodybuilding publication ( kai ass shots in flex recently), and openly persuing a gay audience and fan base.

the golden agers must be turning in their graves.

Well...here is something unique, someone doesnt agree with a judging decision, now its a big conspiracy and all the judges dont know what they're doing, etc....

It's a competition decided by a panel of judges...each with a opinion of their own. By a scoring system which is based on a average of those scores...we get our final placings.

I can find just as many supporters (and argument) for Jose winning, as I can for DH. It's not like Jose is some sort of slouch..he has more titles than all the guys he faced...COMBINED. A multi national, USA, Team U winner in 3 different weight classes.

On a different day, with a different panel, perhaps it goes Davids way...this time it didnt.

I think the panel did a great job overall...you can always make a case for a placing here and there...bottom line is, live vs pictures/ video are two different worlds.

I thought Ed Nunn could have won last week...he was 4th. This week he wins. It's the nature of competition...some get better, some worse, some stay the same....different panel, different lighting, etc.

[Chick]

*awaits chick's reply on how the judging is 100% fair, and how jose was the clear cut winner*

Read the above response for your answer...nothing is "clear cut", as there are arguments for any number of competitors.

[Mr Nobody]

Judging sucks period all biased.

[Chick]

good call.  problem is, it has been verified by multiple sources that consist of eye witness accounts of chick being at the mirage hotel that night and 'performing'.

LOL

[Chick]

Judging sucks period all biased.

Biased towards WHO?

[Mussolini]

Well...here is something unique, someone doesnt agree with a judging decision, now its a big conspiracy and all the judges dont know what they're doing, etc....

It's a competition decided by a panel of judges...each with a opinion of their own. By a scoring system which is based on a average of those scores...we get our final placings.

I can find just as many supporters (and argument) for Jose winning, as I can for DH. It's not like Jose is some sort of slouch..he has more titles than all the guys he faced...COMBINED. A multi national, USA, Team U winner in 3 different weight classes.

On a different day, with a different panel, perhaps it goes Davids way...this time it didnt.

I think the panel did a great job overall...you can always make a case for a placing here and there...bottom line is, live vs pictures/ video are two different worlds.

I thought Ed Nunn could have won last week...he was 4th. This week he wins. It's the nature of competition...some get better, some worse, some stay the same....different panel, different lighting, etc.

 I have heard many times over from people who have been to bodybuilding shows or competed in them say how it is not fair to compare and make judgments just based on pictures because do to lighting, angles ect, it can make competitors look much different than what they look like seeing them live. I would be interested in hearing what the people who actually saw this show live have to say about the placings and how the crown reacted when the placings were announced.

[bigmike99]

Chick, One question.  I attended this show and sat through the prejudging and finals,  Why do they only announce the top three winners and send the rest of the competitors home and post the placings later when everyone is gone.  I think the top ten at the very least should be announced.  My first reaction is disapointment then suspicion that the judges dont want to have to face the crowd or the competitors with their decisions.

[Fatpanda]

Well...here is something unique, someone doesnt agree with a judging decision, now its a big conspiracy and all the judges dont know what they're doing, etc....

It's a competition decided by a panel of judges...each with a opinion of their own. By a scoring system which is based on a average of those scores...we get our final placings.

I can find just as many supporters (and argument) for Jose winning, as I can for DH. It's not like Jose is some sort of slouch..he has more titles than all the guys he faced...COMBINED. A multi national, USA, Team U winner in 3 different weight classes.

On a different day, with a different panel, perhaps it goes Davids way...this time it didnt.

I think the panel did a great job overall...you can always make a case for a placing here and there...bottom line is, live vs pictures/ video are two different worlds.

I thought Ed Nunn could have won last week...he was 4th. This week he wins. It's the nature of competition...some get better, some worse, some stay the same....different panel, different lighting, etc.

typical company man response. 

everyone who saw the show live, on video, or in pics says the same - dave henry was the clear winner.

but you are sitting there telling me, dave henry and thousands of others who can judge fairly that the judges were correct 

pathetic response from a pathetic excuse of an athletes rep.

you should resign from your position immediately, it is clear that you will never stand up for someone against 'the man'.

how can you look at yourself in the mirror ?

[cswol]

the only reason jose raymond is even a pro is just bc him and his brother sucked off and kissed ass to npc and ifbb political figures for years, tito couldnt even win a usa class bc he so called didnt want to take more steroids than he was, and jose was never even a good bodybuilder at all, dave henry should be given the win..............bbing and its judges are some shitty entities.........obvious ly politics are still more atop the agenda than giving who and what is due, their rightful due...........dave henry you look fuckin great man, you won this show, you make jose raymond look like a slab of refried beans.

[cswol]

I remember when jose raymond was 165 lbs at golds venice and could never beat tito, and they both couldnt even win a queen pageant, on drugs.

[Schmoe Buster]

I remember when jose raymond was 165 lbs at golds venice and could never beat tito, and they both couldnt even win a queen pageant, on drugs.

yeah and the both claimed to be ''natural''

[Ex Coelis]

do the math:

David Henry has the better upper body. that's half the physique. Jose has the better lower body. that's the OTHER HALF of the physique

Jose has MUCH better overall conditioning (ESPECIALLY LOWER BODY - David was SOFT)

Jose has the advantage - Jose wins

it's like if both had a pair of 10's and Jose had an ace high, David had a jack high

David Henry winning would have been a case of politics and "names" - they called this one fairly

[cswol]

ohh just a side note to amy raymond, all those years  you were preaching on camera that tito was the only natural bber, he was on a ton of drugs........yeah get it right.

[newmom]

good to see the 07 Olympia judges are still employed

Most correct post in a long time

[Flexb]

do the math:

David Henry has the better upper body. that's half the physique. Jose has the better lower body. that's the OTHER HALF of the physique

Jose has MUCH better overall conditioning (ESPECIALLY LOWER BODY - David was SOFT)

Jose has the advantage - Jose wins

it's like if both had a pair of 10's and Jose had an ace high, David had a jack high

David Henry winning would have been a case of politics and "names" - they called this one fairly

Much better conditioning? What show were you watching? Jose had him in the lower half (hams, glutes calves) but David had him both upper body back and front. Quads, David's looked drier overall from knee to waist. Jose was holding noticable water in his back and serratus/obliques were not as dry as David's.

[che]

I can find just as many supporters (and argument) for Jose winning, as I can for DH.

 You won't find them here .

[Flexb]

All in all this was David's first show back after his surgery and lay off and he looked pretty damn good. He'll only get better as the season progresses

[Neptuno]

Herny was the clear winner to the public and judges except that jury.

Jose won after all, he is the winner this time.

So if we try to be smart, the result of this is look for every judge scores and in the future, get in or get out from the judges group. If you donīt do this, next time this happens again,  the guilty will be not the judges or we can think about "something dark" after all.

[buffdnet]

nothing can change or be repaired in bb.
the competitors all commit felonies to participate.
the orgs and bobbeh endorse promote and benefit
monetarily from these crimes. let's don't mention sup scams.
how ya fix that unless you kill them all.
please enlighten
you tards may continue yelling back and forth
about a contest that was never contested. never held.
oh there was a presentation for homosexuals. ask bobbeh

[AC Slater]

typical company man response by chick.

did anyone honestly expect anything different?

[saucetradomous]

jose was about as dry adn crisp as anyone could hope to get............he was in better condition then henry...........who himself was in great condition


but that being said. as "on" as jose was, he could simply not keep up with david structurally...........t he difference in condition was not that great


this was a good ole' fashioned IFBB judging travesty

exactly.  If bodybuilding was purely about conditioning then guys like paco would be winning more contests.  what trumps what? conditioning over size? esthetic's over conditioning?  Structurally Henry is way above Jose, and i do not think his conditioning was much better if it was at all.

[biff]

It's a competition decided by a panel of judges...each with a opinion of their own.



On a different day, with a different panel, perhaps it goes Davids way...this time it didnt.

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so opinion decides the winners? dont the judges have specific criteria to follow and score by?

...and if they do have specific criteria to judge by, a different panel of judegs should come to the same conclusion (i.e. raymond over henry), shouldnt they?

OR, do no actual judging criteria exist?

[Parker]

The only thing Jose Raymond has on DH, is that he can say that his sister in law (Amy Fadhli) prettier than DH's wife. Or that he doesn't look like a cartoon kiddy vampire when he smiles. Other than that, DH blows him out of the water...this only sets the 202s up to be a big fight, unfortunately for the structurally challenged and mega I'll equipped Jose Raymond, this "fight" will be like a pit versus a bull...one dead pit.