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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2010, 10:38:40 AM »
I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.

sounds like the majority of voters agree with you.

I'd like to see these polled matchups:

Obama vs Palin 2012

Hilary vs Palin 2012

Methinks they'll be doing internal surveys like this shortly... and once the writing is on the wall, that Obama is gonna lose and hilary would probably win, and if Palin continues to be the frontrunner, I could really see a move like this happening.  Obama doesn't need the money, and his ego might be saved by retiring after 1 term instead of getting beaten by a Palin.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2010, 10:40:11 AM »
I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.

I don't like Hillary, but I have to agree. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2010, 10:43:14 AM »
sounds like the majority of voters agree with you.

I'd like to see these polled matchups:

Obama vs Palin 2012

Hilary vs Palin 2012

Methinks they'll be doing internal surveys like this shortly... and once the writing is on the wall, that Obama is gonna lose and hilary would probably win, and if Palin continues to be the frontrunner, I could really see a move like this happening.  Obama doesn't need the money, and his ego might be saved by retiring after 1 term instead of getting beaten by a Palin.

You're right. Obama's money-making future is well secured at this point. It's just a matter of whether he wants another term or not and who the Repubs run (anyone but Palin if they don't want to gift-wrap him the election).

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2010, 10:56:54 AM »
he could be elected head of the UN in a landslide in a few years if he so chose.  The world loves him still.  His 'resume' would include all the major legislation he's nailed down (as lib as it may be)... healthcare, finreg, stim bill, maybe even amnesty before he's done.  or crap/trade.

Clinton would probably beat just about any GOP offering in 2012... hell, many repubs already voted for her thanks to rush, and steele's praise of her can't help.  Clinton rules USA for 8 years, Obama takes over UN, and far-right repubs in the USA shit their pants.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2010, 11:09:57 AM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US needs to leave the UN immediately. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2010, 04:21:37 PM »
Obama-Clinton 2012?
By: CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
 
(CNN) - So what if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton launched a primary challenge against President Barack Obama for the Democratic party's 2012 presidential nomination?

Yes, that's highly unlikely. But what if?

Well, Gallup asked the question, and their new poll, released Thursday, indicates that 52 percent of Democrats or Independents who lean towards the Democrats would back Obama in such a hypothetical primary contest, with 37 percent supporting Clinton and one in ten not holding an opinion.

The survey suggests an education divide, with two-thirds of college graduates backing Obama but non-college graduates divided between the president and the secretary of state. According to the poll, more than six in ten self-described liberals back Obama, with Clinton holding a plurality among those who consider themselves conservative Democrats.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted in early August indicated that nearly three-quarters of Democrats said that Obama deserved to be re-nominated. That's 17 points higher than the 57 percent of Democrats in 1994 who said that President Bill Clinton should be re-nominated in 1996.

The Gallup poll was conducted September 25-26, with 859 Democrats and Independent leaning Democrats questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/poll-obama-clinton-2012/#more-125831

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2010, 04:38:03 PM »
If the GOP doesn't run Palin, and the dems don't run Clinton, the next President will be a member of the Grand Old Party.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2010, 04:55:44 PM »
I want Palin to win.

No joke.

I am serious.
I hate the State.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2010, 05:15:44 PM »
If the GOP doesn't run Palin, and the dems don't run Clinton, the next President will be a member of the Grand Old Party.

yep yep

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2010, 05:25:29 PM »
Admit it 240, until I used the phrase "Grand Old Party", you had no idea what GOP meant.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2010, 05:26:59 PM »
Admit it 240, until I used the phrase "Grand Old Party", you had no idea what GOP meant.

I thought it stood for "Greedy Old People".


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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2010, 08:02:26 PM »
I thought it stood for "Greedy Old People".



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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2010, 02:00:27 PM »
Dick Morris: GOP Midterm Rout Will Spark Obama Challengers
Friday, 29 Oct 2010   
By: Jim Meyers

Veteran political analyst and best-selling author Dick Morris tells Newsmax that President Barack Obama will be vulnerable to a primary challenge from the left in 2012 — and that challenge could come from Hillary Clinton.

Morris also says he remains confident that Republicans can capture the 10 Senate seats they need to take control — and believes his “fantasy” of the GOP winning 100 House seats could come true.

In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, Morris says a resounding Republican victory in the midterm elections appears “more and more likely each day. I don’t know a single Republican candidate whose poll I have looked at in the last day or two who is not three or four points better than they were two or three days ago.

“Trend happens at the very end, and you’re really seeing a Republican trend kicking in — a brand new one for the downscale voters who are just beginning to decide, and it’s pretty remarkable.”

He adds: “I predict that as a result of these elections, Obama will get a Democratic primary from the left. I wonder if a Dennis Kucinich may not run against him in that race, assuming he hangs on to his House seat. I think Obama is very vulnerable right now to a challenge from the left.

“If the left-wing challenge gets traction, [Hillary Clinton] might at that point jump in. It’s eerily similar to 1968. The part of Lyndon Johnson is played by Barack Obama. The part of Bobby Kennedy is played by Hillary Clinton. And the part of Eugene McCarthy, who softens it up and tests the territory, might be played by Kucinich or somebody like that.”

Asked why he is among the few analysts who insist Republicans will win 10 seats in the Senate, Morris says: “Right now we have leads in nine of the 10 seats that we need, and in the tenth, West Virginia, the Republicans are coming on strong.

“I think that the current polls are all three points too pro-Democrat, because they’re using turnout models that are really based on the '08 election, and that’s an unduly Democratic sample. So I believe we’re going to win the Senate.”

Among the Senate races generally considered tossups, Morris predicts Republican victories in Colorado (Ken Buck), Illinois (Mark Kirk), Pennsylvania (Pat Toomey) and Washington (Dino Rossi).

In Nevada, Republican Sharron Angle has “for the last two to three weeks had a three- or four-point lead, ever since she clobbered Reid in the debate,” Morris points out, “and I think that’s going to hold up.”

John Raese would have to win in West Virginia if Republicans are going to win 10 seats, “and that is the one that at the moment could go either way,” Morris observes.

He also says he would not write off a win in California by Carly Fiorina over incumbent Sen. Barbara Boxer, since Boxer is only three points ahead, nor would he write off Connecticut or Delaware, where he says Christine O’Donnell was 23 points behind her Democratic opponent and is now only 10 behind.

Asked if he is predicting that Republicans will win 100 seats in the House, Morris tells Newsmax: “I’m not predicting 100, I’m predicting 60 to 80. But I fantasize 100, and I think that fantasy may come true.”

Morris believes that 60 new House seats are firmly in the hands of the GOP, and he is working with a group called superpacusa.com to help Republican House candidates vying for 24 other seats, including the one held by longtime Rep. Barney Frank in Massachusetts, whom Morris considers vulnerable.

“I believe we’re going to succeed in a lot of those races, and I think [the total gain] may end up being north of 80,” he says.

Morris sees the midterm elections as a referendum on the president and his policies, and a resonating of the tea party message of smaller government and lower spending, plus one other factor: A referendum on Congress.

“People saw this year Congress up close and personal,” he observes.

“We actually saw a law being passed really up close, and we saw all the deals and all the shenanigans that went on. So Congress has a low rating and I think that has a lot to do with it.”

Morris says the attempt by Bill Clinton to convince Democrat Kendrick Meek to drop out of the Senate race in Florida against Republican Marco Rubio and independent Charlie Crist will actually help Rubio.

“Crist showed his true colors when he coordinated with the Obama White House in their efforts to get Clinton to get Meek to pull out of the race. That really shows that we have two Democratic candidates and only one Republican.”

Morris adds that he would like to know what Meek was offered to pull out of the race, and hopes a Republican committee will ultimately issue subpoenas to find out.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dick-morris-midterm-elections/2010/10/29/id/375353

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2010, 11:46:43 AM »
Newsmax Poll: Hillary Would Defeat Obama by 20 Points
Sunday, 07 Nov 2010
     
Hillary Clinton would trounce fellow Democrat President Barack Obama by a 20-percentage-point margin in a head-to-head race for the presidency, according to a Newsmax/SurveyUSA poll conducted after Tuesday’s midterm elections.

Newsmax conducted the survey to find out how several well-known political and celebrity figures, ranging from Clinton, Sarah Palin, and Bill Gates to Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, and Glenn Beck, would fare if they ran against Obama for the White House.

The survey of 1,000 registered voters was conducted Nov. 3-4, after Republicans won the House and gained six seats in the Senate — results widely interpreted as a rejection of Obama and raising questions about whom the Democrats might field as a candidate in 2012.

In the poll, respondents were asked: “If there were an election for president of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, whom would you vote for?”

The poll found that, overall, 60 percent of respondents chose Secretary of State Clinton, while 40 percent chose Obama.

There was virtually no difference between male and female respondents in the poll — 60 percent of women and 59 percent of men chose Clinton over Obama.

Older voters were more likely to vote for Clinton — 67 percent of respondents 65 and older and 60 percent of those 50 to 64 chose Clinton. But even among the youngest age group that was considered solid Obama territory, 18- to 34-year-olds, a majority of 54 percent opted for Clinton.

Clinton also polled strongly among Hispanic voters (55 percent), independents (60 percent), Republicans (74 percent) and conservatives (82 percent).

Obama polled strongest among blacks (65 percent) and liberals (55 percent).

Clinton has said in recent interviews that she has no plans to run for president again and seemingly ruled out such a bid until 2016. But there has been talk — fueled partly by her fellow Democrats’ losses in the midterm elections — that she might embark on a new race, and the Newsmax poll suggests she could pose a serious challenge to Obama in 2012.

“These numbers underscore President Obama’s challenges going forward as he faces the final two years of his term and begins gearing up for his re-election effort,” Democratic pollster and Fox News commentator Doug Schoen told Newsmax.

“The re-election prospects of President Obama have only been made more difficult by the Democrats’ drubbing in this week’s midterm elections.”

Not all potential Democratic presidential candidates fared as well against Obama in the Newsmax poll, however.

Retiring Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana has stockpiled more than $10 million in campaign cash he could use to challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012.

But in the Newsmax survey, Obama outpolled Bayh 59 percent to 41 percent.

Obama fared strongly among women (65 percent), young voters aged 18 to 34 (62 percent), blacks (75 percent), liberals (87 percent), and most importantly, Democrats (84 percent).

Newsmax will reveal other results of hypothetical races between Obama and other famous Americans in the coming days.

SurveyUSA is an independent research company that conducts public opinion polls for media and academic institutions, and conducts private market research for commercial clients and nonprofit organizations.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/hillary-clinton-barack-obama/2010/11/07/id/376266

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2010, 11:51:38 AM »
Hillary is not going to run - I think it might be a Dean or Feingold or someone like that. 

If the GOP is smart enough to run Thune - I predict now - the GOP wins by about 10 points at least, plus gains the senate by far.   

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2010, 04:53:17 PM »
Hillary will run if she sees a legit opportunity to win.  She's an opportunist. 

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2010, 01:41:02 PM »
GOP is running AGAINST OBAMA In 2012.

If he retired and handed it to Hilary... she'd probably win.  She'd have a much better chance against Repubs than Obama would...

One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012

By Douglas E. Schoen and Patrick H. Caddell
Sunday, November 14, 2010;




President Obama must decide now how he wants to govern in the two years leading up to the 2012 presidential election.

In recent days, he has offered differing visions of how he might approach the country's problems. At one point, he spoke of the need for "mid-course corrections." At another, he expressed a desire to take ideas from both sides of the aisle. And before this month's midterm elections, he said he believed that the next two years would involve "hand-to-hand combat" with Republicans, whom he also referred to as "enemies."

It is clear that the president is still trying to reach a resolution in his own mind as to what he should do and how he should do it.

This is a critical moment for the country. From the faltering economy to the burdensome deficit to our foreign policy struggles, America is suffering a widespread sense of crisis and anxiety about the future. Under these circumstances, Obama has the opportunity to seize the high ground and the imagination of the nation once again, and to galvanize the public for the hard decisions that must be made. The only way he can do so, though, is by putting national interests ahead of personal or political ones.

To that end, we believe Obama should announce immediately that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2012.

If the president goes down the reelection road, we are guaranteed two years of political gridlock, at a time when we can ill afford it. But by explicitly saying he will be a one-term president, Obama can deliver on his central campaign promise of 2008, draining the poison from our culture of polarization and ending the resentment and division that have eroded our national identity and common purpose.

We do not come to this conclusion lightly. But it is clear, we believe, that the president has largely lost the consent of the governed. The midterm elections were effectively a referendum on the Obama presidency. And even if it was not an endorsement of a Republican vision for America, the drubbing the Democrats took was certainly a vote of no confidence in Obama and his party. The president has almost no credibility left with Republicans and little with independents.

The best way for him to address both our national challenges and the serious threats to his credibility and stature is to make clear that, for the next two years, he will focus exclusively on the problems we face as Americans, rather than the politics of the moment - or of the 2012 campaign.

Quite simply, given our political divisions and economic problems, governing and campaigning have become incompatible. Obama can and should dispense with the pollsters, the advisers, the consultants and the strategists who dissect all decisions and judgments in terms of their impact on the president's political prospects.

Obama himself once said to Diane Sawyer: "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president." He now has the chance to deliver on that idea.

In the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama spoke repeatedly of his desire to end the red-state-blue-state divisions in America and to change the way Washington works. This was a central reason he was elected; such aspirations struck a deep chord with the polarized electorate.

Obama can restore the promise of the election by forging a government of national unity, bringing business leaders, Republicans and independents into the fold. But if he is to bring Democrats and Republicans together, the president cannot be seen as an advocate of a particular party, but as somebody who stands above politics, seeking to forge consensus. And yes, the United States will need nothing short of consensus if we are to reduce the deficit and get spending under control, to name but one issue.

Forgoing another term would not render Obama a lame duck. Paradoxically, it would grant him much greater leverage with Republicans and would make it harder for opponents such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) - who has flatly asserted that his highest priority is to make Obama a one-term president - to be uncooperative.

And for Democrats such as current Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) - who has said that entitlement reform is dead on arrival - the president's new posture would make it much harder to be inflexible. Given the influence of special interests on the Democratic Party, Obama would be much more effective as a figure who could remain above the political fray. Challenges such as boosting economic growth and reducing the deficit are easier to tackle if you're not constantly worrying about the reactions of senior citizens, lobbyists and public employee unions.

Moreover, if the president were to demonstrate a clear degree of bipartisanship, it would force the Republicans to meet him halfway. If they didn't, they would look intransigent, as the GOP did in 1995 and 1996, when Bill Clinton first advocated a balanced budget. Obama could then go to the Democrats for tough cuts to entitlements and look to the Republicans for difficult cuts on defense.

On foreign policy, Obama could better make hard decisions about Iran, North Korea and Afghanistan based on what is reasonable and responsible for the United States, without the political constraints - real or imagined - of a looming election. He would be able to deal with a Democratic constituency that wants to get out of Afghanistan immediately and a Republican constituency that is committed to winning the war, forging a middle way that responds not to the electoral calendar but to the facts on the ground.

If the president adopts our suggestion, both sides will be forced to compromise. The alternative, we fear, will put the nation at greater risk. While we believe that Obama can be reelected, to do so he will have to embark on a scorched-earth campaign of the type that President George W. Bush ran in the 2002 midterms and the 2004 presidential election, which divided Americans in ways that still plague us.

Obama owes his election in large measure to the fact that he rejected this approach during his historic campaign. Indeed, we were among those millions of Democrats, Republicans and independents who were genuinely moved by his rhetoric and purpose. Now, the only way he can make real progress is to return to those values and to say that for the good of the country, he will not be a candidate in 2012.

Should the president do that, he - and the country - would face virtually no bad outcomes. The worst-case scenario for Obama? In January 2013, he walks away from the White House having been transformative in two ways: as the first black president, yes, but also as a man who governed in a manner unmatched by any modern leader. He will have reconciled the nation, continued the economic recovery, gained a measure of control over the fiscal problems that threaten our future, and forged critical solutions to our international challenges. He will, at last, be the unifying figure globally he has sought to be, and will almost certainly leave a better regarded president than he is today. History will look upon him kindly - and so will the public.

It is no secret that we have been openly critical of the president in recent days, but we make this proposal with the deepest sincerity and hope for him and for the country.

We have both advised presidents facing great national crises and have seen challenges from inside the Oval Office. We are convinced that if Obama immediately declares his intention not to run for reelection, he will be able to unite the country, provide national and international leadership, escape the hold of the left, isolate the right and achieve results that would be otherwise unachievable.

Patrick H. Caddell, who was a pollster and senior adviser to President Jimmy Carter, is a political commentator. Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster who worked for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Mad as Hell: How the Tea Party Movement Is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System."


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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2010, 07:31:17 PM »
I think it's possible she runs. 

61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
Wednesday, 28 Jul 2010     

If President Obama were to face a challenge in 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is best poised to take him on, according to a new Washington Whispers poll.

Some 61 percent said Clinton, a 2008 primary challenger to Obama when she was a New York senator, could beat the president in a primary, according to Paul Bedard at U.S. News & World Report's Washington Whispers.

Clinton, who's very popular in her current role, has suggested that she doesn't plan to serve two four-year terms as secretary of state and also that she doesn't want to run for the presidency again. She is still trying to retire her 2008 campaign debt, reportedly at less than $1 million.

See the entire poll at USNews.com

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-clinton-poll-2012-hillary-wins/2010/07/28/id/365933

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #43 on: November 21, 2010, 11:21:18 AM »
Left herself plenty of room to run. 

Clinton: I'm not running for president
By: CNN's Gabriella Schwarz

(CNN) - Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is not running for president - just ask her.

"I am not in any way interested in or pursuing anything in elected office," Clinton said on "Fox News Sunday."

Clinton laughed off speculation that she might run for president in 2012.

"I love what I'm doing," Clinton said. "I can't tell you what it's like… to every day get to represent the United States."

She said she feels strongly about "every issue, from START to Afghanistan."

But her repeated claims that she won't run for office again have done little to quell the talk that she might challenge President Barack Obama in the next election.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/21/clinton-im-not-running-for-president/#more-136486

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #44 on: November 21, 2010, 11:48:13 AM »
If the GOP is smart enough to run Thune - 

They will not be.  YOU are personally one of the most educated political people I (sorta) know.  And YOU voted for Romney over Ron Paul in 2008, claiming you never heard of Romneycare - even thought Rudy brought it up repeatedly in debates.

So if YOU can be duped into choosing a RINO lib medical socialist like Romney over a common sense solution like Paul (very possibly because FOX swayed you into thinking Paul was "not viable", as if Mcain was)....

Then I think the GOP voters are at the mercy of FOX.  And I think it's worth more for them to put up a Huck, a Newt, or a Palin - their former employees, over a guy like thune.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2010, 01:23:30 PM »
They will not be.  YOU are personally one of the most educated political people I (sorta) know.  And YOU voted for Romney over Ron Paul in 2008, claiming you never heard of Romneycare - even thought Rudy brought it up repeatedly in debates.

So if YOU can be duped into choosing a RINO lib medical socialist like Romney over a common sense solution like Paul (very possibly because FOX swayed you into thinking Paul was "not viable", as if McCain was)....

Then I think the GOP voters are at the mercy of FOX.  And I think it's worth more for them to put up a Huck, a Newt, or a Palin - their former employees, over a guy like thune.


240 you've been wrong about everything else that has happened politically from 2008- now. Why are you going to be right this time? (although I kind of agree with you because the GOP was dumb enough to run Palin last time)

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2010, 01:39:56 PM »
240 you've been wrong about everything else that has happened politically from 2008- now. Why are you going to be right this time? (although I kind of agree with you because the GOP was dumb enough to run Palin last time)

I watched a ton of FOX during that primary season.  I remember hannity scoffing at Ron paul's "wins" in the debates - accusing his fans of somehow rigging the internet voting.  I remember paul getting a ton of applause during the debates.  If I had to guess, I'd say a large number of people viewing the debates liked him.

hannity made many comments bashing paul and working to minimize his followers.  People like beach Bum continually repeated "RPaul isn't viable!"  I believe there was a connection there.  I think if hannity had not mocked paul, he might have finished much higher.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2010, 02:06:06 PM »
Ok, that I don't agree with you about. I like RP, but I would never vote for him as prez. He's great for America, but not in the big seat. Hannity or no Hannity, most people-- even most conservatives agree with me.

I just feel like the GOP may over play its hand. A national election victory after GW Bush is going to require more than name recognition and nice tits. She's unqualified, polarizing and has a laundry list of gaffes, scandals and embarrassing moments attached to her name. Thune is the kind of guy who is likeable, articulate and can appeal to independents (who are the X factor in winning any presidential election these days). Many Americans may not know who he is, but I dont think that is a bad thing. He has plenty of time to introduce himself. And after Barry Baraka I think many Americans are going to think twice before being charmed by a flashy con man who can give a great speech but couldn't run a whorehouse in Amsterdam.


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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2010, 02:57:01 PM »
Ok, that I don't agree with you about. I like RP, but I would never vote for him as prez. He's great for America, but not in the big seat. Hannity or no Hannity, most people-- even most conservatives agree with me.

I just feel like the GOP may over play its hand. A national election victory after GW Bush is going to require more than name recognition and nice tits. She's unqualified, polarizing and has a laundry list of gaffes, scandals and embarrassing moments attached to her name. Thune is the kind of guy who is likeable, articulate and can appeal to independents (who are the X factor in winning any presidential election these days). Many Americans may not know who he is, but I dont think that is a bad thing. He has plenty of time to introduce himself. And after Barry Baraka I think many Americans are going to think twice before being charmed by a flashy con man who can give a great speech but couldn't run a whorehouse in Amsterdam.



LOL!  I respect your honesty about Palin.  Maybe people think if you don't support palin, you support obama.  it's entirely possible to think they're both idiots.

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Re: 61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2010, 11:20:40 PM »
"I think," "I'll probably . . . ."  Still leaving herself room to run. 

What's next for Clinton?
By: CNN's Gabriella Schwarz

(CNN) - Hillary Clinton is adamant that she's not running for president in 2012, but she's now saying that being secretary of state will be her last job in government.

"I think I'll serve as secretary of state as my last public position," Clinton said Friday at an event in Bahrain. "Then (I'll) probably go back to advocacy work, particularly on behalf of women and children, and particularly around the world."

At the event with local college students, she again said she will not launch a challenge to President Barack Obama, but the comments mark the first time she's elaborated on her plans for the future.

The former first lady and New York senator, faced off with Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008 before becoming his chief diplomat.

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