Flex Wheeler at 23

[Figo]

Shawn won two pro contests in 14 years and that's surpassing what was thought of him?  I'll agree Shawn was more consistent with his physique but that's about it
The point stands Flex at his best is eons better than Shawn , and I'll take Flex 1993 ( consistent the whole year ) over anything Shawn's ever presented . Shawn is a welfare version of Flex he's not in Flex's league , Flex won more contests in 14 months than Shawn in 14 years Shawn is a second tier bodybuilder compared to Flex's first tier
Oh I beg to differ ...you look at 1993 ASC 1993 Ironaman and Flex realized his potential it just wasn't at the Olympia , I don't think Flex would possibly get any better than these two shows and I think this physique stands the test of time and would likely beat Yates at his best and easily anything Shawn's ever presented

Shawn was at least 2 time uncrowned Mr O! what ifs count for nothing, unfortunately...
1 thing, as I mentioned, Shawn could've , won more, but he concentrated on the mr O, and some euro gp shows...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn was at least 2 time uncrowned Mr O! what ifs count for nothing, unfortunately...
1 thing, as I mentioned, Shawn could've , won more, but he concentrated on the mr O, and some euro gp shows...

hahahahaha ' uncrowned ' Flex is hands down the best guy that never won the Olympia and I deal in what transpired not what could have , should have , etc and if we want to entertain the maybe's Flex if he never got into the accident would have beat Dorian in 1994 , Shawn was good for placing high in contests when Kevin and Shawn weren't competing or were off , a second tier bodybuilder

Flex won more pro contests in 14 months than Shawn in 14 years , Flex's best physique is on another level compared to Shawn at his

[Figo]

yes ND, Flex won more in in shorter time, fact.

but Flex did a lot of smaller shows while Shawn was a consistent placer at the grand nationals

[Jaime]

Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.

[Figo]

Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.

Clairmonte wasted his time with NABBA shows, he couldve done serious damage in IFBB

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes ND, Flex won more in in shorter time, fact.

but Flex did a lot of smaller shows while Shawn was a consistent placer at the grand nationals

Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny

[NarcissisticDeity]

Honestly Charles in top shape before he played the size game, i would put above both.

He actually beat Flex in 1993 ! he was an amazing bodybuilder

[Earl1972]

I thought he was a bit too pretty, didn't look powerful

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[Parker]

Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny

And the 96 Arnold could have gone either way between him and Levrone, same for the 95 Arnold as well.

Yeah, Charles beat Flex in 93 as well, but winning your first four Pro shows and then placing 2nd at the Olympia is still unprecedented to this day. Only Phil Heath has won his first 2 pro shows right out of the box.  This kinda proves that in today's game, if one wins their pro card, you should be able to jump in and compete with the pros, without taking time off to "grow"...



And Wiggs, I think you are correct,
Melvin Anthony=Poor Man's Flex
Richard Jones=Poor Man's Shawn Ray

[G_Thang]

flex had alotta wins and shows but i'd take shawn's 1 show per yr career and consistency.  also...shawn seems like one of the guys who retained a lot.  i cant say flex's career earnings are greater.  anyway...shawn did say both at 100% he didnt have the structure to top flex.  would have been nice if shawn had been 69ins or so.

 

had his own theme song.  

[Figo]

Flex won the Arnold 4 times that's not a little show won the Ironman 5 times , the Night of the Champions , he won more pro shows than Shawn he's so far ahead of Shawn it's not even funny

The ac, im, noc are not little shows. They are smaller than the Olympia though.

Im agreeing with you re Flex having more impact, and being a bigger force in a shorter time, however I disagree with Ray being a low tier bber

A better example, would be to put the 2 head-to-head on the olympia stage where when the 2 competed together, Flex beat Shawn 4 times, and Shawn beat Flex twice. Now, if Shawn beat Flex twice, and head-to-head its 4-2, why does he not even deserve to be mentioned in same sentence as Flex...

[Figo]

And the 96 Arnold could have gone either way between him and Levrone, same for the 95 Arnold as well.
Yeah, Charles beat Flex in 93 as well, but winning your first four Pro shows and then placing 2nd at the Olympia is still unprecedented to this day. Only Phil Heath has won his first 2 pro shows right out of the box.  This kinda proves that in today's game, if one wins their pro card, you should be able to jump in and compete with the pros, without taking time off to "grow"...
And Wiggs, I think you are correct,
Melvin Anthony=Poor Man's Flex
Richard Jones=Poor Man's Shawn Ray

In his rookie year, Levrone came 3rd in chicago, won the NOC, and plced 2nd at the O. Also not bad...

[NarcissisticDeity]

The ac, im, noc are not little shows. They are smaller than the Olympia though.

Im agreeing with you re Flex having more impact, and being a bigger force in a shorter time, however I disagree with Ray being a low tier bber

A better example, would be to put the 2 head-to-head on the olympia stage where when the 2 competed together, Flex beat Shawn 4 times, and Shawn beat Flex twice. Now, if Shawn beat Flex twice, and head-to-head its 4-2, why does he not even deserve to be mentioned in same sentence as Flex...

Shawn only beat Flex when he was off NOT Shawn's fault but the point remains , Shawn was good to beat these guys when they were off , at their best Flex & Kevin are in another league compared to Shawn

there really is NO comparison between Flex and Shawn , not in terms of wins , impact , physiques , money earned , Shawn a really good bodybuilder just not in Flex's league

[Figo]

Shawn only beat Flex when he was off NOT Shawn's fault but the point remains , Shawn was good to beat these guys when they were off , at their best Flex & Kevin are in another league compared to Shawn
there really is NO comparison between Flex and Shawn , not in terms of wins , impact , physiques , money earned , Shawn a really good bodybuilder just not in Flex's league

I've said it before numerous times, 1990 should've been Shawns, Labrada was my favorite there, but Shawn was the best on the day. This guy was the best rep for bbing, and while Flex's purse winnings were higher than Ray's, nobody made more money in pro bodybuilding that Shawn Ray, the guy was the epitomy of a pro.
In other words, like Chris Rock said, he didnt go out and get some spinners! he invested wisely.

[mesmorph78]

Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes

shawn weaknesses he was short

[funk51]

and Flex Wheeler from Mass Construction, look at the difference

      look at him now lenda murray miss o dwarfs him in this monthes flex, even weider looks bigger. how come he talks funny in the second video, he seemed pretty articulate in the video at 23 yo.

[Jaime]

Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes narrow

shawn weaknesses he was short narrow funky quad structure

[Parker]

Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes

shawn weaknesses he was short

Huge traps make a narrow man even narrower, like an arrow. Odd how his traps were better in 92/93. Yeah he was soft in the glutes---at a higher weight. Same deal with Brian Buchanan, Melvin Anthony, Jojo Ntiforo. Similar genetics.

[Hulkster]

I know Flex is the better bodybuilder. Shawn himself said that when Flex was 100% on, he was the best ever. I just like Shawn Ray better than Flex, as a personal preference.

Shawn isn't top 20? You're crazy. 

its ND, what do you expect?

he is crazy enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, and he is crazy enough to say that Shawn wasn't top 20..

typical ND..

[Hulkster]

The point stands Flex at his best is eons better than Shawn

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disagree here by a mile.

when at their bests, both were very similar:

great lines, great proportions, details, great detailed backs but both narrow.

it would be really close between a 93 Flex and a 94 shawn:

shawn was incredible in 94.

ND always has a thing against him because everyone knows that Shawn should have beaten dorian in 94 and it drives him crazy. its that simple.

[NarcissisticDeity]

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disagree here by a mile.

when at their bests, both were very similar:

great lines, great proportions, details, great detailed backs but both narrow.

it would be really close between a 93 Flex and a 94 shawn:

shawn was incredible in 94.

ND always has a thing against him because everyone knows that Shawn should have beaten dorian in 94 and it drives him crazy. its that simple.

hahahahaha Hulkster trying to hi-jack another thread

Hulkster = fail

LMFAO it would be really close between Flex 93 and Shawn 94 , I can always count on you for retarded statements. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

its ND, what do you expect?

he is crazy enough to think dorian was better than ronnie, and he is crazy enough to say that Shawn wasn't top 20..

typical ND..

twice you mentioned my name and Dorian  I own you can't stick to the topic huh?

how does Shawn beat Flex? he doesn't not in terms of impact he's made on the sport , not in terms of career wins , not in terms of career winnings , not in terms of being the best guy not to win the Olympia , as usual you have nothing and are fishing for anyone to agree with you

Shawn Ray doesn't compare to Flex Wheeler

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex weaknesses no calves, shallow front traps lacking chest
soft hams and glutes

shawn weaknesses he was short

Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.

[G_Thang]

Shawn's weaknesses include being short , long torso , short legs , high calves that aren't in proportion with his squared off quads , narrow clavicles , I mean I can continue.

sounds more like lee priest minus the calves.  do so.

[NarcissisticDeity]

sounds more like lee priest minus the calves.  do so.

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