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Obama supports plan for mosque near ground zero
At a Ramadan dinner at the White House, the president breaks his silence on the issue, framing it as one of religious freedom.


President Obama addresses guests at an iftar dinner, the meal that breaks the dawn-to-dusk fast for Muslims during the holy month of Ramadan, at the White House. (J. Scott Applewhite / Associated Press)


Reporting from Washington — President Obama on Friday took a strong stand in favor of building a mosque near the site where Muslim terrorists flew airplanes into the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, breaking his silence on a political tempest that has left the country divided.

Speaking at a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan, Obama framed the issue as one of religious freedom.

Muslims "have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country," Obama said, according to a White House transcript. "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances."

The uproar over the proposed mosque has rekindled a debate over religious tolerance in a post-Sept. 11 society. Some relatives of Sept. 11 victims have come out against the mosque, as have prominent politicians.

Republican Rep. Peter T. King of New York said Friday that Obama was wrong.

"It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero," King said in a statement. "While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque, they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much.…Unfortunately the president caved into political correctness."

A majority doesn't want to see the mosque built, national surveys show. A CNN/Opinion Research poll earlier this month showed 68% opposed plans to build the mosque, with 29% in favor. Count as part of the minority New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who recently gave a speech defending the planned Islamic center.

In a statement released Friday night, Bloomberg said: "As I said last week, this proposed mosque and community center in Lower Manhattan is as important a test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime, and I applaud President Obama's clarion defense of the freedom of religion tonight."

As the debate raged, Obama stayed out of it. As recently as last week, his press secretary, Robert Gibbs, described the matter as one "for New York City and the local community to decide."

But the White House's Ramadan celebration, held in the State Dining Room with about 90 guests, presented a unique moment for Obama to make his position known.

"Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of Lower Manhattan," he said, according to the White House transcript. "The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. And the pain and the experience of suffering by those who lost loved ones is just unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders."

That said, he added: "This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable."

Supporting the mosque is a dicey proposition for Obama. Polls have shown a certain percentage of Americans mistakenly view him as a Muslim. He is Christian. Defending the mosque invites suspicion that he is overly sympathetic to the Muslim faith. At the same time, Obama has taken pains to reach out to the Muslim world. He gave a major speech in Cairo last year calling for "a new beginning" between the U.S. and Muslims.
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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2010, 07:21:49 AM »
Obama is a freakin idiot!

This situation would be like a memorial dedicated to Adolf Hitler being built near a Jewish Holocaust shrine!

Its true what they say, black people have no intelligence!!

Worst President in American History!

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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2010, 07:25:36 AM »
The Coach will not respond to this topic, he stopped talking politics!

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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 07:27:27 AM »
Obama is a freakin idiot!

This situation would be like a memorial dedicated to Adolf Hitler being built near a Jewish Holocaust shrine!

Its true what they say, black people have no intelligence!!

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2 bad his harvard law class was bring up the rear.  anyway...the most culturally diverse president in culturally ignorant north american history.  


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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2010, 08:09:29 AM »
Obama is a freakin idiot!

This situation would be like a memorial dedicated to Adolf Hitler being built near a Jewish Holocaust shrine!

Its true what they say, black people have no intelligence!!

Worst President in American History!

The people who were responsible for what took place at ground zero do not represent Islam. The atrocities they committed actually place them outside the fold of the faith. Islam is a religion of peace. There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and a few million of them are Americans (those numbers actually went up significantly after 911 because people actually studied the religion and read the Quran for themselves. There are plenty of crazy Christians out there who claim Christianity but their actions say otherwise. We should never judge or condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a small group of nutjobs.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2010, 08:33:27 AM »
The Coach will not respond to this topic, he stopped talking politics!

I was just going to say that the Coach is going to have a field day with this one  :D
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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2010, 08:35:24 AM »
of course Obama supports the mosque.  hell, he probably lost a couple of brothers in those planes

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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2010, 08:38:03 AM »
You guys are political idiots.

Actually you guys are just idiots.



Stay out of the polls.

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 08:41:53 AM »
The Coach will not respond to this topic, he stopped talking politics!

I already said he was a traitor and hates America. I don't think I need to reiterate it.

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 08:42:22 AM »
The people who were responsible for what took place at ground zero do not represent Islam. The atrocities they committed actually place them outside the fold of the faith. Islam is a religion of peace. There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and a few million of them are Americans (those numbers actually went up significantly after 911 because people actually studied the religion and read the Quran for themselves. There are plenty of crazy Christians out there who claim Christianity but their actions say otherwise. We should never judge or condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a small group of nutjobs.

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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 08:54:23 AM »
Let's be realistic here: any decision Obama would have made would have made him look unamerican. If he was against building the Mosque, then he is unamerican because he is denying people their rights (we all know America is about freedom and rights, blah, blah, blah). If he is in favor of building the mosque, that makes him unamerican because he will be labeled a traitor.

The guy can't win.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 09:05:29 AM »
If they really wanted to show what America is about they should build a big building that all religions can meet together in. Come up with something new. Not a Mosque that is barred to anyone that is not Muslim.

This is planed, they want animosity and division between different groups of people.

Nations, Languages, Religions, Wars is what the people behind NWO build their control on. If everyone got together they would be powerless.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2010, 09:08:46 AM »
Obama is a freakin idiot!

This situation would be like a memorial dedicated to Adolf Hitler being built near a Jewish Holocaust shrine!

Its true what they say, black people have no intelligence!!

Worst President in American History!

No, if you REALLY wanted to compare this situation to the holocaust..... you would say this situation is like a Church being built near a jewish holocaust shrine... (because Adolf Hilter was Christian)....

So your statement is pretty idiotic.


And btw there are a few churches right next to the Auschwitz Memorial in the Polish provinces, one being literally right across the street!

And like 8 churches next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC, again one of them being directly in front of it!

If you're gonna argue about this you'd better re-think your arguments and don't just spew shit out of your mouth!

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2010, 09:11:42 AM »
Let's be realistic here: any decision Obama would have made would have made him look unamerican. If he was against building the Mosque, then he is unamerican because he is denying people their rights (we all know America is about freedom and rights, blah, blah, blah). If he is in favor of building the mosque, that makes him unamerican because he will be labeled a traitor.

The guy can't win.

We have a lot of mosques in this country but backing one thats at the site of 9/11 is too much and over the top. The government also paid for middle east trip for the leader of that mosque. Do you think they would do that for lets say Billy or Franklyn Graham?

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2010, 09:14:41 AM »
The people who were responsible for what took place at ground zero do not represent Islam. The atrocities they committed actually place them outside the fold of the faith. Islam is a religion of peace. There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and a few million of them are Americans (those numbers actually went up significantly after 911 because people actually studied the religion and read the Quran for themselves. There are plenty of crazy Christians out there who claim Christianity but their actions say otherwise. We should never judge or condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a small group of nutjobs.

Islam is not a religion of peace.

Its a religion about being submissive to Allah. And if you are not submissive, its about being forced to be submissive by way of war or death.

When the so called prophet Mohammed lived , he would have Holy Wars called Jihads, if you didnt follow "Allah" you would be considered an infadel and deserved to be put to death.

Know your facts...their Holy Quran teaches this...religion of peace my a$$



Islam is not a religion of peace and it does not tolerate other religions....their religion teaches this
. I dare you...move to a Muslim country and tell me if its a religion of peace...

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« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2010, 09:18:29 AM »
We have a lot of mosques in this country but backing one thats at the site of 9/11 is too much and over the top. The government also paid for middle east trip for the leader of that mosque. Do you think they would do that for lets say Billy or Franklyn Graham?

you actually make a good point (can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you politically) even though not all muslims are terrorists when looked at from an EMOTIONAL side many people cannot differentiate the two, but the problem is.... if you are willing to say to the muslims, you can build a mosque anywhere but not here....  who's to say this situation will not be able to be taken advantage of in the future?  

I mean, if the US stands by religious equality for everyone... then it should apply for everyone and everywhere!!!  You can't pick and choose or else people will take advantage of it all the times in the future.... oh no you can't build a synogogue here because there is a church across the street, etc etc....  The country needs to have a firm stance on the issue, are you allowing for religious freedom or are you going to monitor it and control it like other fundamentalistic countries!

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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2010, 09:33:32 AM »
Islam is not a religion of peace.

Its a religion about being submissive to Allah. And if you are not submissive, its about being forced to be submissive by way of war or death.

When the so called prophet Mohammed lived , he would have Holy Wars called Jihads, if you didnt follow "Allah" you would be considered an infadel and deserved to be put to death.

Know your facts...their Holy Quran teaches this...religion of peace my a$$



Islam is not a religion of peace and it does not tolerate other religions....their religion teaches this
. I dare you...move to a Muslim country and tell me if its a religion of peace...

I lived in a muslim country for many years and my family is actually muslim and even though I  was raised a muslim I personally don't practice islam anymore but I also don't practice any other religion either....

Islam is no different than any other religion...  Look deep into christianity... I have a well learned christian friend who specificlly discussed with me how christianity does not tolerate other religions...  What about the Crusades???  Wow such a peaceful christian event  ::)

The religions are very close... as stated I was raised a muslim... but I like to learn about other faiths, so I attended catholic church (sunday mass) for 6 weeks as a learning experience, and I tell you, the experience was almost identical to going to friday prayer in a mosque!

Here you are bashing islam, but have you ever set foot in a mosque, as I did in a church?

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2010, 09:35:12 AM »
you actually make a good point (can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you politically) even though not all muslims are terrorists when looked at from an EMOTIONAL side many people cannot differentiate the two, but the problem is.... if you are willing to say to the muslims, you can build a mosque anywhere but not here....  who's to say this situation will not be able to be taken advantage of in the future?  

I mean, if the US stands by religious equality for everyone... then it should apply for everyone and everywhere!!!  You can't pick and choose or else people will take advantage of it all the times in the future.... oh no you can't build a synogogue here because there is a church across the street, etc etc....  The country needs to have a firm stance on the issue, are you allowing for religious freedom or are you going to monitor it and control it like other fundamentalistic countries!


What I dont agree with is the president Barak "Osama" doesnt have common sense... he is not attruned to the feelings of those whose families died on 9/11.


I agree with what one poster has said on this thread, they should make a organization for religious tolereance. But Islam wil never be tolerant of other religions...never!

Again,I know BigAch that you are probably muslim so you will defend your religion but your religion is not a religion of peace. Your religion teaches to treat women like second class citizens, it teaches mercy killings, it condones brutalizing those who arent of the same religion as you.

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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2010, 09:40:28 AM »
I lived in a muslim country for many years and my family is actually muslim and even though I  was raised a muslim I personally don't practice islam anymore but I also don't practice any other religion either....

Islam is no different than any other religion...  Look deep into christianity... I have a well learned christian friend who specificlly discussed with me how christianity does not tolerate other religions...  What about the Crusades???  Wow such a peaceful christian event  ::)

The religions are very close... as stated I was raised a muslim... but I like to learn about other faiths, so I attended catholic church (sunday mass) for 6 weeks as a learning experience, and I tell you, the experience was almost identical to going to friday prayer in a mosque!

Here you are bashing islam, but have you ever set foot in a mosque, as I did in a church?

Why would I want to set foot in a Mosque and learn about a religion that treats women like servants and second class citizens and condones wars to spread their religion?

I know that their are a lot of hypocrites in the christian churches..I myself am One of them but the Bible actually teaches you to love your neighbor and treat others as you would yourself...it doe4snt tell you like the Quran to kill those who arent of your beliefs....

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2010, 09:41:52 AM »
If you read my post above you will I see I don't practice any religion.....


My point is that islam is no different than any other relgion....

Muslims have Jihad....  Christians had the Crusades....

None are really "peaceful" Did you read my post, did I say I think Islam is peaceful??  

Obama can't put a ban or stop on the building of this mosque because the US has a clear separation of church and state!!!  This is how the country is founded!!!

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2010, 09:46:50 AM »
Why would I want to set foot in a Mosque and learn about a religion that treats women like servants and second class citizens and condones wars to spread their religion?

I know that their are a lot of hypocrites in the christian churches..I myself am One of them but the Bible actually teaches you to love your neighbor and treat others as you would yourself...it doe4snt tell you like the Quran to kill those who arent of your beliefs....


Dude I was told by a priest straight to my face that I will burn in hell because at the time I was practicing another religion!

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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2010, 09:48:21 AM »
If you read my post above you will I see I don't practice any religion.....


My point is that islam is no different than any other relgion....

Muslims have Jihad....  Christians had the Crusades....

None are really "peaceful" Did you read my post, did I say I think Islam is peaceful??  

Obama can't put a ban or stop on the building of this mosque because the US has a clear separation of church and state!!!  This is how the country is founded!!!


But the actual fundementals and beliefs of Jesus Teachings are peace and love not war. For those so called people that killed other people in the name of christianity ..their beliefs were wrong...the crusades were wrong. If Jesus was there at that time, he would have told them they were wrong...if Mohammed was still alive, he would be a non comapssionate dictator spreading fear and hate and killing those who are not Muslims...

Thats the difference there why I will never fol Islam or believ it is a religion of peace.... The Quran teaches that the workld needs to be submissive to Allah and if you arent, you should be put to death...

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2010, 09:51:05 AM »
Ok...  I will post this once and for all and then go get my hair cut... my post is not to state whether islam is a peaceful religion or not......  my post is just to say that the US is founded upon a separation of church and state and allowing religious equality and freedom to everybody...

So the president cannot take a stance against it....  If the muslims are following the laws and have the proper paper work they can build a mosque where ever they want..

With that being said....  I DO BELIEVE its in poor taste to build it right next to the WTC site and AT THIS TIME... its too soon from an emotional point of view!!!  People are still hurt and in their minds they cannot differentiate muslims from terrorists.

In summary:

From an emotional side:  Not cool to build
From a legal and political side:  Build

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »

But the actual fundementals and beliefs of Jesus Teachings are peace and love not war. For those so called people that killed other people in the name of christianity ..their beliefs were wrong...the crusades were wrong. If Jesus was there at that time, he would have told them they were wrong...if Mohammed was still alive, he would be a non comapssionate dictator spreading fear and hate and killing those who are not Muslims...

Thats the difference there why I will never fol Islam or believ it is a religion of peace.... The Quran teaches that the workld needs to be submissive to Allah and if you arent, you should be put to death...

I honestly can't disagree with you....  But I will say this...  part of the reason I do not practice any religion now is because the koran (as well as other scriptures) are soooo obscure and are interpreted in sooo many different ways...

When I was growing up and raised as a muslim, I was taught by my parents as well as different Imams (muslim priests) that the religion is about love and to respect people of all religions, and I practiced this as much as I possibly could...  some of my bestest bestet friends are jewish and others...  never once was I taught to hate or to kill or anything like that..  and I came from a practicing family, we prayed, fasted during ramadan, etc...  as I grew up and studied the scriptures (both islam and others) on my own, I found them to be so vage so obscure with so many different meanings and such un clear answers...  so this is when I turned away from everything...

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Re: Obama throws his support behind Mosque being built near ground zero
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2010, 10:02:10 AM »
The people who were responsible for what took place at ground zero do not represent Islam. The atrocities they committed actually place them outside the fold of the faith. Islam is a religion of peace. There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world and a few million of them are Americans (those numbers actually went up significantly after 911 because people actually studied the religion and read the Quran for themselves. There are plenty of crazy Christians out there who claim Christianity but their actions say otherwise. We should never judge or condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a small group of nutjobs.
A small group of nutjobs? Be serious. Every single day, whether it is in Indonesia, Africa, the Phillipines, The Middle east,  there are Muslims committing Terrorist acts. Blowing themselves up..placing car bombs, slaughtering people. There are literally hundreds of thousands of Jihadists. No other religion comes close in modern society to having the multitude of terrorists that Islam has. And while there may be many so-called moderate muslims that will congregate at the new mosque, mathematically the odds are heavily in favor that there will be plenty of Muslims who are more radical. And to have a building at ground zero that houses even one of these lunatics is an abomination. Obama is shooting himself in the foot and dooming the future of the democrats by endorsing this Mosque lunacy against the will of 70% of Americans.