The Bottom Line on the Ground Zero Mosque

[Soul Crusher]

Here is my bottom line on this thing.  

1.  The POFS Imam, piss be upon him, has a technical, limited legal right to build the mosque at the site.  

2.  The overall issue has nothing to do with freedom of religion since no one is calling for a ban on the practice of islam.  This is expecially the case since there are hundreds of mosques in NYC as it is.  

3.  The Imam is picking the site to offend, as a sign of conquer, and to provoke the families of the 9/11 victims as well as the nation as a whole.  

4.  Those of us who grew up in NYC and know the area well know that the site is in direct proximity to the WTC since not only is two blocks in NYC nothing distance wise, but the landing gear of one of the planes hit this very building where the damn mosque is going.  

5.  Liberals who scream and bitch about separation of church and state obviously love the idea of a marriage between mosque and state since they have been utterly silent about the state Department paying for this imam to travel the ME to promote this thing.  Additionally, liberals have been silent on the State Dept. paying for mosques, which trluy exposes the blatant hypocrisy of 99% of self labeled liberals.  

6.  The financing of this mess is extremely dubious.  The Imam is seeking funds from overseas to fund this crap.  Don't we have a right to know where the money is coming from?  who is paying for the ongoing operation costs once this thing is built.  There are no muslims living in the finncial district in sufficient numbers to pay the operationg costs of this thing.  So where is the money coming from?   We ask homeowners to prove the origination of the deposits they put on home purchases.  Are we saying that this imam should be given more lee way than americans taxpayers?  

7.  If the Imam was truly interested in reaching out and garnering sympathy and positive feelings from americans, he would have moved this mosque in accordance with the wishes of Gov. Patterson and others.  The fact that there are literally thousands of other vacant building all over the city and this imam insists on placing this thing in the closest proximity possible to WTC tells me everything I need to know about his intentions.  

8.  Just because someone has a legal right to do something does not make it right overall.  I have a right to call Obama a dirty black, Jews kikes, Asians zips, etc etc, however, that does not make it the right thing to do.  What about placing a shrine to the KKK at MLK's gravesite?  Just because it is techinically right, does not make it ok to do.

9.  Muslims insisting on this mess should not be surprised when most americans consider them no different that the Westboro Baptist crew.  Sure they have a right to do it, but that does not mean the rest of us have to respect them or not condem and damn them daily.  

10.  Obama really stepped in it with his stupid assed remarks at the dinner and his half assed attempt at back tracking from the the next day.  He just caused more dems to lose in Novemeber.  

11.  This Imama is from from moderate.  He refuses to condemn hamas, refuses to discuss interfait dialogue, refuses to open up his books or plans, refuses to discuss the source of financing, refuses to hear the pleas of the families of the victims of 9/11.  Does a supposed holy person with the interests of alleged healing and good motives act like this?  No!  

11.  This mosque is going to be a cause of consternation and protest for years to come.  

12.  Bloomberg is a fool on this, almost as idiotic as his blaming the tea partyfor the Times Square bomber.  



  

[Soul Crusher]

13.  Before all is said and done U.S. tax dollars will be partially paying for this thing. 

[240 is Back]

this whole mess is annoying and disgusting.

I saw tonight there are two porn shops right at ground zero, which sit closer than this planned mosque.  And nobody is bitching about them.

There's also a gambling house and a trashy lingerie store.

If we're gonna clean shit up in that area, I don't see how these things aren't offensive to people as well.  And now... we're gonna deem certain religious groups obscene, but stores selling scat porn is a-okay?  Confusing...

[Soul Crusher]

this whole mess is annoying and disgusting.

I saw tonight there are two porn shops right at ground zero, which sit closer than this planned mosque.  And nobody is bitching about them.

There's also a gambling house and a trashy lingerie store.

If we're gonna clean shit up in that area, I don't see how these things aren't offensive to people as well.  And now... we're gonna deem certain religious groups obscene, but stores selling scat porn is a-okay?  Confusing...

Ron Jeremy fans did not kill 3,000 people, with the hopes of killing 250k, in the name of porn. 

[Dos Equis]

33 that's a great summary.  I agree with you.  

Regarding the funding, I heard Pataki say that they haven't complied with public disclosure laws regarding funding and that those laws apply to all public charities in NY.  

[Soul Crusher]

14.  240 will make his first trip ever to NYC to visit the gay bar next to the mosque once it opens. 

[240 is Back]

if they haven't complied with the law, it's easy.  Bounce them outta here.  Obama said they should only be allowed to build if they comply with the law.

this should be an easy case now. 


and I'd like to hear everyone say "I'm okay with porn videos depicting women smearing feces on their nude bodies while engaging in sex acts is morally okay, just 2 blocks from WTC... but a mosque 10 blocks away is not".

[Montague]

and I'd like to hear everyone say "I'm okay with porn videos depicting women smearing feces on their nude bodies while engaging in sex acts is morally okay, just 2 blocks from WTC... but a mosque 10 blocks away is not".

Ron Jeremy fans did not kill 3,000 people, with the hopes of killing 250k, in the name of porn. 

Also, WTF kind of porn do you watch?
Smearing feces?
Jesus, dude.

[Soul Crusher]

15.  If it is later shown that the Imam got funds from Iran, terrorists, heroin dealers, whabbi clerics, taliban burchers, U.S. taxpayers, BP, the Stim Bill, Goldman sachs, etc, the liberals will still love this thing.  

[Montague]

Hey 3:
You’re as close as anyone can be to this mess, and you hear the locals talking.
What do you predict are the chances that a segment of people will get pissed off enough to take matters into their own hands via radical measures?

And, I mean “radical” by our standards; not the standards of people who cheer planes flying into buildings.

[Soul Crusher]

Hey 3:
You’re as close as anyone can be to this mess, and you hear the locals talking.
What do you predict are the chances that a segment of people will get pissed off enough to take matters into their own hands via radical measures?

And, I mean “radical” by our standards; not the standards of people who cheer planes flying into buildings.

TBH - not much.  People are pissed off beyond belief, however, NYC has a police force of nearly 40,000 cops and there are cameras everywhere.  I do expect mass vandalism, protests, etc.  If someone tries to bomb this thing, they won't be from around here most likely. 

I expect a lot of union protests if they break ground as well as bad press for this imam to come.  I listened to a local radio show tonight about this imam and there is wierd crap going on as far as the funding and dislosures go. 

I think the mad dash to get this thing going has a lot to do with info that will come out later after its too late to stop this thing. 

My hunch, in my gut, says obama and the State Department will be funding this thing. 

[Montague]

TBH - not much.  People are pissed off beyond belief, however, NYC has a police force of nearly 40,000 cops and there are cameras everywhere.  I do expect mass vandalism, protests, etc.  If someone tries to bomb this thing, they won't be from around here most likely. 

I expect a lot of union protests if they break ground as well as bad press for this imam to come.  I listened to a local radio show tonight about this imam and there is wierd crap going on as far as the funding and dislosures go. 

I think the mad dash to get this thing going has a lot to do with info that will come out later after its too late to stop this thing. 

My hunch, in my gut, says obama and the State Department will be funding this thing. 

You mean WE'LL be funding it.

[Fury]

The fact that it turns out that the "Cordoba Group" only owns 50% of the place that they think they're building it in (while claiming to own 100%) is enough reason to shut this shit down. Or is the state of NY gifting them the other 50%?

Couple that with the fact that the guy leading this group wants Sharia Law in America, refuses to denounce terrorism, is against interfaith dialog and there's no reason whatsoever to build this monument to Islamic supremacism at that site.

Leftists and their Muslim buddies need to cut the "islamophobia" bullshit regarding this topic. Even Muslims are saying that this mosque is built for no other reason than for Islamists to thumb their noses at the infidel.


Someone should blow up Mecca (which was once home to multiple religious groups before being conquered by the armies of the pedophile) and then ask to build a Church their a year later as a way of building bridges.

[tonymctones]

this whole mess is annoying and disgusting.

I saw tonight there are two porn shops right at ground zero, which sit closer than this planned mosque.  And nobody is bitching about them.

There's also a gambling house and a trashy lingerie store.

If we're gonna clean shit up in that area, I don't see how these things aren't offensive to people as well.  And now... we're gonna deem certain religious groups obscene, but stores selling scat porn is a-okay?  Confusing...

when did porn advocates bring down 2 buildings and kill 3000 american citizens?

[Fury]

when did porn advocates bring down 2 buildings and kill 3000 american citizens?

240 continues to reach farther and farther while avoiding answering simple questions on this topic. Quite sad, really.

He should stick to logging 150 posts about Palin every day.

[tonymctones]

240 continues to reach farther and farther while avoiding answering simple questions on this topic. Quite sad, really.

He should stick to logging 150 posts about Palin every day.

LOL iono maybe the porn viewers that dig the feces smearing etc...like 240 does could be driven to suiciding themselves and killing 3000 other ppl in the process in the name of feces smearing...240 can you speak on this?

I know you like your porn broham

[Arnold jr]

if they haven't complied with the law, it's easy.  Bounce them outta here.  Obama said they should only be allowed to build if they comply with the law.

this should be an easy case now. 


and I'd like to hear everyone say "I'm okay with porn videos depicting women smearing feces on their nude bodies while engaging in sex acts is morally okay, just 2 blocks from WTC... but a mosque 10 blocks away is not".

We are privileged to rights that others may find morally reprehensible so as long as in acting upon these rights we do so in accordance with the law and so as long as these privileged rights do not hinder the inalienable rights of others. When anything done threatens these inalienable rights, regardless of any privileged right that may exist, the object of this threat no longer falls within the protection of privileged rights.

[Fury]

LOL iono maybe the porn viewers that dig the feces smearing etc...like 240 does could be driven to suiciding themselves and killing 3000 other ppl in the process in the name of feces smearing...240 can you speak on this?

I know you like your porn broham

Hahaha. He's coming off as quite the idiot with that post.

[Soul Crusher]

Hahaha. He's coming off as quite the idiot with that post.

[Fury]

Seems to be the only argument anyone can present regarding this topic. Couple that with him spending the last week dodging Kazan's question about the constitution and it's getting to be quite pathetic.

[Arnold jr]

I think some people feel a need to use a straw man argument because they so desperately want to be right even if they know they're wrong. In the case of the argument at hand here, a lot of people want this Islamic Center to be a fun happy loving thing so badly that they're willing to ignore the obvious simply because they wish so badly, for whatever reason, that the obvious were not true.

[Soul Crusher]

For me, the left wing dolts screaming freedom of religion show their true colors by not at the same time acknowledging that this mosque is being placed there as a provocation, insult, and "in your face" exploitation of the situation. 

This leads me to believe that most leftists are as deluded as most of us think in their belief that if we only allow the muslims piss on the graves of the 9/11 dead that they will love us and no longer hate this nation. 

Just because something is a legal right does not make it the right thing to do.  This is no different than my standing at the WH with a sign saying "Obama is a black" and then screaming down any complaints with said sign with simply shouting mindlessly "1st amend, 1 Amend", etc etc.  Just because I have the right to do it, does not make it wise, right, and smart to do, unless I am seeking to promote another agenda at play, which is what is going on here.