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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #325 on: September 05, 2010, 11:29:09 AM »
And also for Stephen Hawkings to claim that there is no God and that evolution and chance to create anything; this means that there are no such things as laws or boundaries.

This means that there is no such thing as love, no moral code, that we are nothing but animals.

If we are here by chance, why are their laws, why do people know what is right or wrong? Deep inside we have a moral code. We know that if we kill someone, we feel guilt and know it is wrong. We know that sleeping wiht an animla is not natural or committing adultery is wrong..

We are not here by chance.

I know it is wrong to hate black people. How do I know, the Bible told me so... to hate another man because of the color of his skin is wrong.

Stephen Hawkins even though he is intelligent is also blind of the truth.

Maybe if evolution is true, someone should kill this fag. It wold show evolution is true...survival of the fittest just like Hitler preached. But you know what? Evolution is not true because where there is faith, their is love and human kindness and compassion....thats why he lives today event hoguh according to evolution, he should be ddead


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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #326 on: September 05, 2010, 11:29:31 AM »
More proof that jesus is God:

This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.


Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"

This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.

Jesus accepted worship from His disciples
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”

In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.





I respect your posts and I'm a believer, but the problem is most Getbig nonbelievers care nothing for the bible and find no value in what it says....they'll dismiss your words the moment they read them.  Although, hopefully your posts will stimulate a desire for a nonbeliever to pursue questions of salvation and faith offline in meaningful way.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #327 on: September 05, 2010, 11:31:21 AM »
most scientists are atheists thats already saying enough.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #328 on: September 05, 2010, 11:33:02 AM »
I have never seen a non-believer become a believer or a believer become a non-believer within a Getbig "debate God" thread.  We have some good minds on Getbig (both for and against God), but I've never seen anyone persuaded to change their belief systems.  At best these threads leave both parties with questions that they can seek out answers for on their own, but otherwise it's pointless.  Most believers present extremely weak, unsupported, faith-based arguments that do nothing to assist the non-believer and most non-believers are so entrenched in man-made ideology that they could speak with Christ himself and not be satisfied....these debates never, ever work within the thread.  I took the argument offline, read a numbers of books, educated myself and strengthened my faith in the process.  That was the only benefit of these types of threads.

Are you saying you come to Getbig purely to look at pic after pic of men in thongs, like most of us straight guys, MOS?

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #329 on: September 05, 2010, 11:34:13 AM »
Bit of advice when presenting salvation and faith to a nonbeliever:  under no circumstances should you insult them.  Even if they poke and prod and do nothing but put you down and attempt to make you angry......never, ever retaliate.  Present what you understand as best as you can, offer to take matters into a private chat with them if they have interest, but never insult or tell them they are wrong.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #330 on: September 05, 2010, 11:35:25 AM »
Are you saying you come to Getbig purely to look at pic after pic of men in thongs, like most of us straight guys, MOS?

Exactly big K.......muscle poses in glitter thongs.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #331 on: September 05, 2010, 11:38:10 AM »
most scientists are atheists thats already saying enough.

True, but you'd be amazed at the number of scientists who were once atheists and became believers.  So many became atheists because of Darwin's early work, but their own modern research has unexpectedly led them to the idea of an intelligent designer.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #332 on: September 05, 2010, 11:41:11 AM »
True, but you'd be amazed at the number of scientists who were once atheists and became believers.  So many became atheists because of Darwin's early work, but their own modern research has unexpectedly led them to the idea of an intelligent designer.

What is the number?  I'm interested in becoming amazed.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #333 on: September 05, 2010, 11:41:46 AM »
I respect your posts and I'm a believer, but the problem is most Getbig nonbelievers care nothing for the bible and find no value in what it says....they'll dismiss your words the moment they read them.  Although, hopefully your posts will stimulate a desire for a nonbeliever to pursue questions of salvation and faith offline in meaningful way.

Im glad you are a believer. I guess I tried to plant a seed the best I could.

Im not perfect. I hold racist views and Im trying to change it but it is so hard when I see so many hypocrites and so many crimes being perpetrated by the black community. IE black males fathering so many illegitimate kids as well as fathering so many mixed kids that they dont even take care of. People glorifying rap music with its approval of sleeping with your best friends girl and slapping hoes and such! Black men stealing peoples cars and stealing what isnt theres. I contribute a lot of the crimes to black people

Trust me, I am trying to change my racist point of views but it is so hard

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #334 on: September 05, 2010, 11:43:11 AM »
Bit of advice when presenting salvation and faith to a nonbeliever:  under no circumstances should you insult them.  Even if they poke and prod and do nothing but put you down and attempt to make you angry......never, ever retaliate.  Present what you understand as best as you can, offer to take matters into a private chat with them if they have interest, but never insult or tell them they are wrong.
why not?

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #335 on: September 05, 2010, 11:44:48 AM »
Im glad you are a believer. I guess I tried to plant a seed the best I could.

Im not perfect. I hold racist views and Im trying to change it but it is so hard when I see so many hypocrites and so many crimes being perpetrated by the black community. IE black males fathering so many illegitimate kids as well as fathering so many mixed kids that they dont even take care of. People glorifying rap music with its approval of sleeping with your best friends girl and slapping hoes and such! Black men stealing peoples cars and stealing what isnt theres. I contribute a lot of the crimes to black people

Trust me, I am trying to change my racist point of views but it is so hard
how can you be racist when you're black? ;D

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #336 on: September 05, 2010, 11:46:53 AM »
most scientists are atheists thats already saying enough.

How so?  At various times, many "scientists" believed many things that turned out to be false.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #337 on: September 05, 2010, 11:49:23 AM »
Im glad you are a believer. I guess I tried to plant a seed the best I could.

Honestly, that's all we can do.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #338 on: September 05, 2010, 11:49:46 AM »
How so?  At a point in time "scientists" believed many things that turned out to be false.
scientists created all technology in society not "faith" lol. if it wasn't for scientists you wouldn't be typing on the computer now, you would be sitting in a cave.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #339 on: September 05, 2010, 11:51:28 AM »
scientists created all technology in society not "faith" lol. if it wasn't for scientists you wouldn't be typing on the computer now, you would be sitting in a cave.

And?  That doesn't make every concept they develop a "fact" as many believe.  They are right on some things, wrong on others, just like everybody else. 

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #340 on: September 05, 2010, 11:55:42 AM »
scientists created all technology in society not "faith" lol. if it wasn't for scientists you wouldn't be typing on the computer now, you would be sitting in a cave.

Max, there are so called scientists who were men of faith...Copernicus , Galileo , Newton , Kelvin ..

Einstein never came to believe in a personal god but he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #341 on: September 05, 2010, 11:56:32 AM »
why not?

Christ is about love and insults don't support that.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #342 on: September 05, 2010, 11:58:48 AM »
Max, there are so called scientists who were men of faith...Copernicus , Galileo , Newton , Kelvin ..

Einstein never came to believe in a personal god but he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."


You know Einstein and Spinoza were Jewish, right?

And those other guys got in a little trouble with the so called Church.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #343 on: September 05, 2010, 12:01:28 PM »
You know Einstein and Spinoza were Jewish, right?

Of course I knew that. WHat I was trying to say that Einstein does not believe that this world was created by chance. He denied atheism.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #344 on: September 05, 2010, 12:01:55 PM »
What is the number?  I'm interested in becoming amazed.

Wish I knew, but regardless of how I phrased my post it's really less about the number and more about how their research has led them to their faith.  Perhaps you could check out some of Lee Strobel's books. 

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #345 on: September 05, 2010, 12:03:41 PM »
Wish I knew, but regardless of how I phrased my post it's really less about the number and more about how their research has led them to their faith.  Perhaps you could check out some of Lee Strobel's books. 

Man of Steel, I alrady posted some scientist who believed in God and the bible and I also mentioned some scientist who denied atheism and believed in soemthing that created the universe

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #346 on: September 05, 2010, 12:04:00 PM »
And?  That doesn't make every concept they develop a "fact" as many believe.  They are right on some things, wrong on others, just like everybody else.  
Like said you don't have to prove a negative. In science you have to show evidence that supports your theory. If the evidence is strong enough then it's a fact. Religion is mythology fairy tales just like santa and unicorns.




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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #347 on: September 05, 2010, 12:04:48 PM »
Of course I knew that. WHat I was trying to say that Einstein does not believe that this world was created by chance. He denied atheism.

I've actually read that Einstein became a believer and I've also read that Einstein didn't become a full on believer but that he did belief in an intelligent designer of the universe.  Either way he denied atheism at the end of his life.

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #348 on: September 05, 2010, 12:06:22 PM »
Christ is about love and insults don't support that.
Yes but that doesn't stop me from insulting you. I'm not religious. 

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Re: Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe
« Reply #349 on: September 05, 2010, 12:06:38 PM »
Scientific Facts in the Bible

1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day.

3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: "He...hangs the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7).

4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote).

5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: "Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?" (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when "British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).

6. Job 38:19 asks, "Where is the way where light dwells?" Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: "When the morning stars sang together..."

8. "Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth" (Time, Dec. 1976).

9. Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6).

10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1,2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: "In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters." The first thing God tells man is that He controls of all aspects of the universe.

11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled," and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood."

12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15–24. In this passage, God speaks about a great creature called "behemoth." Some commentators think this was a hippopotamus. However, the hippo’s tail isn’t like a large tree, but a small twig. Following are the characteristics of this huge animal: It was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant-eating (herbivorous); had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree. It had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water, and was not disturbed by a raging river. He appears impervious to attack because his nose could pierce through snares, but Scripture says, "He that made him can make his sword to approach unto him." In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.

13. Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: "And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself even days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean" (Leviticus 15:13). Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under "running water."

14. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.

15. "During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosyin Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine)." Grant R. Jeffery, The Signature of God With all these truths revealed in Scripture,how could a thinking person deny that the Bible is supernatural in origin? There is no other book in any of the world’s religions (Vedas, Bhagavad-Gita, Koran, Book of Mormon, etc.) that contains scientific truth. In fact, they contain statements that are clearly unscientific. Hank Hanegraaff said, "Faith in Christ is not some blind leap into a dark chasm, but a faith based on established evidence." (11:3 continued