the only thing that will save the USA

[tonymctones]

Sally rendfield on june 23 2006 decided to buy a home that was out of their buggest by 26 points

hahahahah...i like your style but that alone caused it?

thats a start now look up CDO's also look up the rating of those CDO's and then follow the cheese

[24KT]

hahahahah...i like your style but that alone caused it?

thats a start now look up CDO's also look up the rating of those CDO's and then follow the cheese

CDO's didn't start it... CDO's were merely a catalyst; a sympton of the larger problem.
They started digging the grave in 1913. The final nail was hammered into the coffin in 1971.
The patient has been living on borrowed time ever since {pun intended  } It's now time to call in the priest.

[tonymctones]

CDO's didn't start it... CDO's were merely a catalyst; a sympton of the larger problem.
They started digging the grave in 1913. The final nail was hammered into the coffin in 1971.
The patient has been living on borrowed time ever since {pun intended  } It's now time to call in the priest.

lol i didnt say CDO's started it the problem started much earlier go back and reread my posts

CDO's are what brought the problem to fruition, also look at the ratings of those CDO's and the problems with that whole scenario

[Lundgren]

hahahahah...i like your style but that alone caused it?

thats a start now look up CDO's also look up the rating of those CDO's and then follow the cheese

Their  is no direct cause it's a number of things all going wrong at once. The usa has had on going issues for decades now. Shit happened in the past no where near to this scale. The only people that can be blamed are clinton and bush or their supporters. If the USA wasn't so in debt it could atleast buy it's way out of it, but that's not even an option now.

[tonymctones]

Their  is no direct cause it's a number of things all going wrong at once. The usa has had on going issues for decades now. Shit happened in the past no where near to this scale. The only people that can be blamed are clinton and bush or their supporters. If the USA wasn't so in debt it could atleast buy it's way out of it, but that's not even an option now.

how would we be able to buy our way out?

[Lundgren]

how would we be able to buy our way out?

Massive tax cuts for industry to rebuild some sort of manufacturing base.

[tonymctones]

Massive tax cuts for industry to rebuild some sort of manufacturing base.

we can give tax cuts right now, you dont need money in the bank to give tax cuts...

hahaha manufacturing of what? and what industry?

[Lundgren]

we can give tax cuts right now, you dont need money in the bank to give tax cuts...

hahaha manufacturing of what? and what industry?

No idea what, part of the problem. You can't rely on grain exports, you won't even cover oil imports.

[Slapper]

LMAO well seeing as the majority of america has at will work laws then if you dont like it take your happy ass somewhere else and find a job.

Find a job... where?

Dont sit and bitch about not making enough money for doing a menial job(not that there is anything wrong with that) if you want to make money you need to take steps to assure that you are in the place to make money.

Right, it's called working. If you work hard you should be paid hard, regardless of job. If you do nothing but sign documents then you should not get paid 500 times what the next level down makes. It's Economics 101. Once you deviate from this simple fact you end up with an overhyerarchical authoritarian institution which distributes income in authoritarian ways.

who says ppl have to give you more money just b/c the company makes more money?

Hahahahahahahaha! No shit Shirlock! Might as well have them work for free! How about that "patriot"?


How about we invite them to leave just because they don't have the right "skillset"? How about we give the jobs to the Chinese and Indians? Real patriotic shit right there!

If you play an integral part in that profit than you should share in it but the factory line/field worker doesnt possess special skills that cant be replaced or have knowledge that allows for the company to turn out profit in 100 different ways

No one is talking profits here. We're talking about the American worker making less and less money every year since the early 70s. While they were making less money, they were producing more, a lot more. Isn't it fair to ask to be compensated accordingly to what is produced?

[Soul Crusher]

Find a job... where?

Right, it's called working. If you work hard you should be paid hard, regardless of job. If you do nothing but sign documents then you should not get paid 500 times what the next level down makes. It's Economics 101. Once you deviate from this simple fact you end up with an overhyerarchical authoritarian institution which distributes income in authoritarian ways.

Hahahahahahahaha! No shit Shirlock! Might as well have them work for free! How about that "patriot"?
 How about we invite them to leave just because they don't have the right "skillset"? How about we give the jobs to the Chinese and Indians? Real patriotic shit right there!


No one is talking profits here. We're talking about the American worker making less and less money every year since the early 70s. While they were making less money, they were producing more, a lot more. Wouldn't it be fair to ask to be compensated accordingly to what is produced?

Get a freaking clue slapper. 

[Slapper]

Get a freaking clue slapper.

Hey, you know I live in one of the most expensive areas in one of the most expensive counties in the country.

I suspect I have a "clue".

 

[Soul Crusher]

Hey, you know I live in one of the most expensive areas in one of the most expensive counties in the country.

I suspect I have a "clue".

 

After you read that book, a lot will make perfect sense to you.   read it if you dare, and I promise afterwards, you will never look at the issues the same again. 

Its about how the Fed Reserve devalues the dollar to where the dollars we make are worth less and less and less.   

[Slapper]

Those who earn the most typically have earned the right to earn the most.

Says the fucking who? Since when is "earning more" a right?

Look at it this way, you invent a widget, you take out a personal loan in order to produce your widget, you take a risk that is yours and yours alone, you open a factory to produce and sell your widgets. You have guys on the factory line who put the widgets you created together in mass amounts, they pack your widgets and ship your widgets out. Without your idea there is no widget, without your idea there is no job for these factory workers at your widget factory, without your idea and willingness to take a risk there is no widget, no factory, no jobs.

And without the workers you only have an idea, a factory and widgets. What's your fucking point? No one here is talking about the owner of the business taking the largest slice of the pie. What we're talking about is the people the owner hired to manage the company, from the CEO to the supervisor levels, are getting 99% of the pie, while the people who ACTUALLY assemble the widgets, hence are key to profit-making, make less REAL money every year. This is, obviously, an unsustainable situation. One that is going to drive America into some sort of modern day feudalism. 

[Dos Equis]

Says the fucking who? Since when is "earning more" a right?

It's that whole life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness thing. 

[Arnold jr]

It's that whole life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness thing. 

Guys like Slapper buy into a different slogan, the one that chants "Workers of the World Unite."

[Dos Equis]

Guys like Slapper buy into a different slogan, the one that chants "Workers of the World Unite."

Slapper has a very pessimistic view of the American way of life. 

[George Whorewell]

Slapper feels that gender equality is exemplified by his enthusiasm for gay prostitutes.

[Slapper]

 

That all ya got?

[24KT]

Their  is no direct cause it's a number of things all going wrong at once. The usa has had on going issues for decades now. Shit happened in the past no where near to this scale. The only people that can be blamed are clinton and bush or their supporters. If the USA wasn't so in debt it could atleast buy it's way out of it, but that's not even an option now.

I think Presidents Wilson & Nixon should share a wee bit of credit at least. the seeds for this go that far back.

[24KT]

No one is talking profits here. We're talking about the American worker making less and less money every year since the early 70s. While they were making less money, they were producing more, a lot more. Isn't it fair to ask to be compensated accordingly to what is produced?

Since when have slaves been entitled to compensation for what they have produced?   

There is a reason why the American culture stresses hard work more so than European cultures.

[benchmstr]

..is a country wide cultural change...which isnt going to happen quickly- or maybe at all.

citizens need to alter their thinking from a "what makes MY life better" to a "what will make a better society"..mentality.

that means some things will make an individual's life worse, some indirectly worse, some indirectly and directly better.

at the moment all i hear from americans is about how this and that is best for them and if its worse for someone else well then its their problem not mine.

this disaster has been a long time coming. outsiders could see it..greedy american citizens ignored it as long as they were benefiting.

hahaha that will never happen...i dont give a shit about anyone besides myself,family, and my dog...and i never will....

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[24KT]

hahaha that will never happen...i dont give a shit about anyone besides myself,family, and my dog...and i never will....

bench

It could happen, ...but the change will not be a swift one, ...not in the USA.
the USA has much farther to go, and much more pain to experience before it can get to that point.

It could happen, ...but I doubt it would occur overnight. 

BTW - If as you say you don't give a poop about anyone besides yourself, your family and your dog,
...why did you choose to go into law enforcement? Do you have a small pee pee and a need to compensate by carrying a gun?  j/k Seriously. What prompted you to go into law enforcement to begin with? Was it a sense of power?

[Arnold jr]

It could happen, ...but the change will not be a swift one, ...not in the USA.
the USA has much farther to go, and much more pain to experience before it can get to that point.

It could happen, ...but I doubt it would occur overnight. 

BTW - If as you say you don't give a poop about anyone besides yourself, your family and your dog,
...why did you choose to go into law enforcement? Do you have a small pee pee and a need to compensate by carrying a gun?  j/k Seriously. What prompted you to go into law enforcement to begin with? Was it a sense of power?

Funny how you speak as if the U.S. is a little child that needs maturing while the rest of the world is an example of fine distinguished elite minds.

[24KT]

Funny how you speak as if the U.S. is a little child that needs maturing while the rest of the world is an example of fine distinguished elite minds.

The USA is a little child who has been running with scissors for years.

As a country you are what ... just over 200 years old. That's a baby relative to other cultures.

[benchmstr]

It could happen, ...but the change will not be a swift one, ...not in the USA.
the USA has much farther to go, and much more pain to experience before it can get to that point.

It could happen, ...but I doubt it would occur overnight. 

BTW - If as you say you don't give a poop about anyone besides yourself, your family and your dog,
...why did you choose to go into law enforcement? Do you have a small pee pee and a need to compensate by carrying a gun?   j/k Seriously. What prompted you to go into law enforcement to begin with? Was it a sense of power?

was NOT for a sense of power....i already have that, dont need a job for it...after college i went to iraq/astan...when i got back i had a lot of options..the top ones being

1)do nothing..because i dont have to..but i am not lazy so that choice was killed early on
2)go into the mechanical engineering field...since thats what i went to college for
3)or do what i was good at....being in stressfull situations...i just have a knack for it....you wont find a lot of people that are better at my type of job than me...i really dont have the passion for it anymore...but its addicting, and i kickass at it..

my options if i stop LE

1)i have been a certified sniper instructor for some time now....i have deeply considered doing that...
2)go back and play in astan, and any other country needing soldiers for hire..
3)nothing...wont happen though
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