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After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« on: September 18, 2010, 07:49:28 AM »
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After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
By NATE SILVER

Republicans, who are modest favorites to take over the House from Democrats, still have a chance to do the same in the United States Senate. But their odds have dropped significantly: from a 26 percent chance last week to 15 percent today, according to the FiveThirtyEight forecasting model.

The main reason for the decline is the outcome of Tuesday’s Republican primary in Delaware, in which the insurgent candidate, Christine O’Donnell, defeated Michael N. Castle. Two recent polls, including one completed after the primary, show her trailing her Democratic opponent, Chris Coons, by margins of 11 percent and 16 percent.

Although Ms. O’Donnell and Mr. Coons remain relatively unknown to some Delaware voters, and a comeback by Ms. O’Donnell is not impossible, the forecasting model gives it only a 6 percent likelihood of happening — and has established Mr. Coons, therefore, as a 94 percent favorite. Had Republican voters selected Mr. Castle instead, the numbers would be exactly the opposite: Mr. Castle would be the 94 percent favorite to win the seat, leaving Mr. Coons with just a 6 percent chance of an upset.


If Ms. O’Donnell were unable to surprise observers again in Delaware, the Republicans could still earn a majority, 51 Senate seats, in one of two ways: either by sweeping the Democratic-held seats that currently appear to be competitive — while holding all of their own — or by putting one or two additional states into play.

The first path — sweeping the Democratic-held seats — remains the clearer of the two. It is not uncommon for a party to win all or almost all “tossup” seats when they are having a strong election night, as the Democrats did to claim the Senate in 2006. The forecasting model accounts for this tendency, in that it assumes that the results of Senate contests in different states will be correlated to some extent.

The first several pickups of Democratic seats should come easily for Republicans. They are almost certain to win in North Dakota, where the Democratic incumbent Byron L. Dorgan has retired, and Arkansas, where a poll today put the Democratic incumbent there, Blanche Lincoln, at a 17-point disadvantage. And they are nearly as likely to do so in Indiana, where Evan Bayh retired.

Pennsylvania also looks good for Republicans: their candidate there, Pat Toomey, has slowly expanded his polling lead over the Democrat, Joe Sestak, and is now more than 90 percent likely to win the seat, formerly held by Arlen Specter, whom Mr. Sestak defeated in the Democratic primary.

Following that are three states in which the election looks more competitive: Colorado, Illinois and Nevada. But the model regards the Republicans as favorites in each, although by a trivial margin in Illinois and Nevada (a reversal from last week in the latter case).

Were Republicans to win these seven states, they would stand at 48 senators, and would need to convert three more Democratic seats to win the chamber. Those gains could potentially come in three blue states — California, Wisconsin and Washington — in which there are vulnerable Democratic incumbents.

The opportunity in California, where voter dissatisfaction is high because of high unemployment and the state’s fiscal crisis, is the clearest. Barbara Boxer, the incumbent, has tepid approval ratings, and a variety of polls show her race against Carly Fiorina polling within the margin of error, although Ms. Boxer remains the slight favorite.

But in Washington state, where Patty Murray is the Democratic incumbent, Republican prospects now appear more tenuous. The polling there has been inconsistent for some time, with some polls showing as large as a 17-point lead for Ms. Murray and others as much as a 10-point advantage for her Republican opponent, Dino Rossi.

Two new polls, however — one by CNN and the other by a local pollster, Elway Research — each show Ms. Murray with a 9-point lead among likely voters. In contrast to most other polls of the state, these were traditional, telephone polls with live interviewers, and did not use automated scripts. This is noteworthy because one of the automated polling firms, SurveyUSA, had underestimated Ms. Murray’s performance in the Aug. 17 primary, in which candidates from both parties appeared on the ballot together.

Whether automated polls, which have performed about on par with traditional ones in recent elections, will do so again this year is one of the most important questions facing electoral forecasters — and an answer is probably impossible until the November election. But in some states, like Washington, they have shown systematic differences, with the traditional polls tending to show more favorable results for the Democrat while the automated polls are more favorable for the Republican. For the meantime, however, the addition of the Elway and the CNN polls has brought Ms. Murray from being a slight underdog to roughly a 70 percent favorite, according to the model.

A similar problem is manifest in Wisconsin: among the nine polls of the matchup between Russ Feingold, the Democratic incumbent, and his Republican challenger, Ron Johnson, all but one is an automated poll, and 6 of them are from a single firm, Rasmussen Reports. Although each of the automated polls have shown a roughly tied race, the lone traditional poll — from the University of Wisconsin — gave Mr. Feingold a 5-point edge among likely voters. The forecasting model — partly because it accounts for some non-polling factors like Mr. Feingold’s approval ratings, which are decent — regards him as about a 2-to-1 favorite, but the state badly needs a greater diversity of pollsters.

Therefore, there are eight states in which the Republican gains seem unambiguous, and two more — Washington and Wisconsin — in which it is clear based on the automated polls, but specious based on the traditional ones. Were Republicans to win all 10 of these races, they would control the Senate — provided, that is, that they also hold all of their own seats.

And here is some good news for G.O.P.: they are doing quite well in all of the states currently held by a Republican, and appear increasingly likely to sweep them. Democratic takeover chances have dwindled below 10 percent in Ohio, Kentucky, Missouri, and North Carolina. Democrats have better chances in New Hampshire, but the Republican Kelly Ayotte, who narrowly won her primary on Tuesday night, is the clear favorite there. Meanwhile, Republicans no longer appear to be at as much risk of losing Florida to the independent, Gov. Charlie Crist. Instead, the Republican Marco Rubio is surging as Mr. Crist loses votes to the Democrat there, Kendrick B. Meek. Although three-way races are dynamic and highly uncertain, Mr. Rubio is now almost an 80 percent favorite.

But even if they were to hold all of their own seats, and win tossup races like Illinois and California, Republicans might need some luck — or some further political momentum — to completely sweep them. Thus, they may be looking to put additional races into play, particularly if their opportunity in Washington or Wisconsin is less strong than some polls suggest.

One possibility is West Virginia, where the Democratic governor, Joe Manchin III, is seeking the seat formerly held by Robert Byrd. West Virginia is another state in which there aren’t many polls to pick from: apart from Rasmussen Reports, which has surveyed the race three times and now gives Mr. Manchin only a 5-point lead, the only alternative is from R.L. Repass & Partners, which gave Mr. Manchin a large lead in a poll conducted by Internet.

West Virginia’s is an odd race: Mr. Manchin is very popular, and a plurality of the state’s voters still identify themselves as Democrats. But President Obama lost badly there in 2008 and has become no more popular. It requires skilled polling, which the one-size-fits-all approach of a firm like Rasmussen probably cannot provide. But with the available evidence, the forecast model gives the Republican, John Raese, about a 10 percent chance of a win — better, for instance, than Ms. O’Donnell in Delaware, and probably making him relatively more worthy of Republican attention.

Another opportunity that Republicans may be considering is Connecticut, where two recent polls of likely voters give the Democrat, Richard Blumenthal, a lead of 6 and 9 points, respectively. Here, the model is more skeptical of their chances: although a lead like Mr. Blumenthal’s is surmountable under most circumstances, the new polls, from Quinnipiac and Rasmussen Reports, show there are almost no undecided voters in the race (and have Mr. Blumenthal polling above 50 percent). This is perhaps to be expected, since Mr. Blumenthal, the state’s Attorney General, and his opponent, Linda McMahon, are familiar figures to voters, with Mr. Blumenthal keeping a high profile and Ms. McMahon having put millions of dollars of her own money into advertisements.

While the race in Connecticut has tightened considerably since the spring, there is no evidence that it is doing so further, and with the supply of undecided voters nearly exhausted, Ms. McMahon may be unable to make up much further ground. Although the forecast model’s call — it makes Mr. Blumenthal a 98 percent favorite — is too assertive for my tastes, and although the race is certainly close, its outcome is perhaps not all that uncertain.

Accounting as best as it can for all of these contingencies, the model estimates a 15 percent likelihood of a Republican takeover of the Senate. The party also has an additional 11 percent chance of winning exactly nine Senate races on Nov. 2., in which case they could potentially control the body by persuading Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent, to caucus with them.

Republicans remain strongly positioned to make large gains in the Senate: the model, after 100,000 simulations, has them finishing with an average of 47.1 seats, only slightly down from 47.5 last week. But their winning the relatively specific set of races that they would need to win in order to control the Senate now seems less likely, and the Democrats’ position is as secure as it has been in several months.
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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 08:25:46 AM »
if the tea party had run a *less crazy* candidate who *lied less*, they could have still defeated Castle, and won the seat.

As it is, they may not be able to beat Coons in the General.

But that just means MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES will start running as Tea party members.  Right now, it's only the very bold (who are often unhinged) willing to risk all to run in an untested party.  Now, we'll have better candidates choose the (T) classification.


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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 08:28:44 AM »
if the tea party had run a *less crazy* candidate who *lied less*, they could have still defeated Castle, and won the seat.

As it is, they may not be able to beat Coons in the General.

But that just means MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES will start running as Tea party members.  Right now, it's only the very bold (who are often unhinged) willing to risk all to run in an untested party.  Now, we'll have better candidates choose the (T) classification.




The ole "attack from within'... just like you using your fake support of Thune as a way to smear Palin in the same post, then after Thune wins, you will be on here the next day attacking him, calling him a religious nut job, etc..

Sorry 240 its not working... but nice try.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 08:35:04 AM »
i said I'd vote for her if i lived ther,e just to get policy changed.

my point is that in 2012 and 2014, you'll see some very good tea party canidate - without so much baggage - arrivingo n the scene.  I'm very optimisitc about that.  The Angles and ODonnells won't make it to the primary.  A better candidate will then troubce the GOP establishment candidate then the Dem in the genearal.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 08:42:38 AM »
if the tea party had run a *less crazy* candidate who *lied less*, they could have still defeated Castle, and won the seat.

As it is, they may not be able to beat Coons in the General.

But that just means MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES will start running as Tea party members.  Right now, it's only the very bold (who are often unhinged) willing to risk all to run in an untested party.  Now, we'll have better candidates choose the (T) classification.


never say never 240 obama lied his ass off the entire election and still got elected  :D even got you to campaign for him...

if that can happen i believe anything can happen especially with the pendulum which is poised to knock a few dems down  ;)

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 08:48:03 AM »
i said I'd vote for her if i lived ther,e just to get policy changed.

my point is that in 2012 and 2014, you'll see some very good tea party canidate - without so much baggage - arrivingo n the scene.  I'm very optimisitc about that.  The Angles and ODonnells won't make it to the primary.  A better candidate will then troubce the GOP establishment candidate then the Dem in the genearal.

240, as mentioned previously, you are one of my favorite people on here, you are a good guy, but when it comes to politics, I just don't believe you anymore. You may have 333386 fooled with your fake support of Thune, but I don't fall for your games anymore. The truth is you only support Thune as a way to bash Palin in a post, and you now use your fake support of the tea party movement to bash O'Donnell in a post.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 08:50:56 AM »
240, as mentioned previously, you are one of my favorite poster on here, you are a good guy, but when it comes to politics, I just don't believe you anymore. You may have 333 fooled with your fake support of Thune, but I don't fall for your games anymore. The truth is you only support Thune as a way to bash Palin in a post, and you now use your fake support of the tea party movement to bash O'Donnell in a post.
lol 240 doesnt believe half the shit he post and youre right he will say he is for a cause or candidate to gain credibility and to avoid be called out

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 09:17:44 AM »
actually I'm starting to think I better warm up to the fact that 98% of the people are semi-retarded.  Maybe it is actually time to go find cave to hide out in ::)

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 10:43:10 AM »

The ole "attack from within'... just like you using your fake support of Thune as a way to smear Palin in the same post, then after Thune wins, you will be on here the next day attacking him, calling him a religious nut job, etc..

Sorry 240 its not working... but nice try.

This is true.

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 12:25:35 PM »
lol 240 doesnt believe half the shit he post and youre right he will say he is for a cause or candidate to gain credibility and to avoid be called out

Exactly.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 12:30:34 PM »
This is true.

And here 240 probably thought he was fooling everyone.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 12:30:44 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.

Do I take positions on every side of every issue?  Sure.  Do I go overboard sometimes?  Of course, and I've apologized for talking that Palin family mess.  Do I really have disgust at candidates who are underqualified?  You betcha.

I supported Ron paul in a major way, cause he was the only TRUE CONSERVATIVE running in 08.  The rest were some soft ass RINOs, and even yall admit that now.  Did I attack Palin?  Sure.  She is barely qualified or presidential, and we all know that.  Mccain should have picked Ron Paul to run with him, let's be honest.

So I love you guys, I respect your positions, but really... you're pissed about my discussion points.  I've been voting the same as you all along - actually, coach and beach bum were clinton voters - I was bashing the anti-gun Bubba since 1992, while yall were handing him votes... so my going overboard with obama last year on the forums sure isn't as meaningful as you guys handing a Dem your vote.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 12:35:42 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.


Dude you have said on this board that you have voted libertarian in state and local elections, which directly conflicts with you now saying you "vote repub down the line in every state and local election."  You also said before the 08 election that you would probably vote for a Democrat.   

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.

Do I take positions on every side of every issue?  Sure.  Do I go overboard sometimes?  Of course, and I've apologized for talking that Palin family mess.  Do I really have disgust at candidates who are underqualified?  You betcha.

I supported Ron paul in a major way, cause he was the only TRUE CONSERVATIVE running in 08.  The rest were some soft ass RINOs, and even yall admit that now.  Did I attack Palin?  Sure.  She is barely qualified or presidential, and we all know that.  Mccain should have picked Ron Paul to run with him, let's be honest.

So I love you guys, I respect your positions, but really... you're pissed about my discussion points.  I've been voting the same as you all along - actually, coach and beach bum were clinton voters - I was bashing the anti-gun Bubba since 1992, while yall were handing him votes... so my going overboard with obama last year on the forums sure isn't as meaningful as you guys handing a Dem your vote.

240, lets look at the most recent facts:

you talk positively about Thune, only as a way to smear Palin in the same post
you talk positively about the tea party, only as a way to smear O'Donnell in the same post
you have knee padded for Obama for the last 17 months.
your TV has been welded to the MSNBC channel for the last 2 years (or longer)
you TIVO Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman on the nights your Band Plays.
you have smeared Sarah Palin non stop on here for the last 2 years, including saying lies about her children.
you even admitted on here a few weeks ago that you are now a liberal:
i've turned into a lib pussy in the last few years" - 240  (September 02, 2010, 07:36:25 PM)


The fact is most of us on here see right though your charade.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2010, 02:18:17 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.

Do I take positions on every side of every issue?  Sure.  Do I go overboard sometimes?  Of course, and I've apologized for talking that Palin family mess.  Do I really have disgust at candidates who are underqualified?  You betcha.
lmao the bolded part is yet another attempt by 240 to attach himself to a cause in order to criticize it and not get called out...

240 has a big disgust for underqualified candidates but campaigned for obama? something see fishy to you guys?

LMAO 240 youre not conservative ive said it time and time again you may think you are but youre values dont fall in line with conservatism..hate to break it to you broham

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 07:29:31 PM »
lmao the bolded part is yet another attempt by 240 to attach himself to a cause in order to criticize it and not get called out...

240 has a big disgust for underqualified candidates but campaigned for obama? something see fishy to you guys?

LMAO 240 youre not conservative ive said it time and time again you may think you are but youre values dont fall in line with conservatism..hate to break it to you broham

Exactly.

Seriously 240, no one is fooled anymore.

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 08:53:05 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.


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Honestly, I still haven't voted for a single Dem in my life.  You assuming turd.

I might vote dem for president in 2008.  Depends if the repub candidate helped cover up 9/11.   I voted either repub or libertarian in 2006, depending on level.

So really, since I'm pro-gun and you're not, i'm actually the stronger republican.


Beacn Bum = liberal.


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I do vote libertarian when I believe the man on the repub ticket isn't a true republican.

As a clinton voter, you understand, right?


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Yes, they call me a lib, even though I voted Bush or libertarian my whole life. 


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i voted libertarian and will continue to do so.








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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 08:56:43 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.
lmao the bolded part is yet another attempt by 240 to attach himself to a cause in order to criticize it and not get called out...
LMMFAO hahahahhahaha

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 08:14:41 PM »
yall know my voting record - i vote repub down the line in every state and local election.  I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, and then, in 2008, I did vote Liberatrian Bob Barr instead of Mccain.  Does that make me a lib kneepadder POS?  I dunno.


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I've voted for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush in my life, even when guys like Beach Bum and Mr I were admittedly voting for Bill Clinton. 


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I voted for Bush, Dole, Bush and Bush.  yes, I'm a repub.  I dislike when my party lies.  I dislike when my party uses corruption, fearmongering, and insulting propaganda. 



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I voted for Bush, Dole, Bush2, and Bush2.  i also voted for Jeb once or twice in my state.

 


240 why did you lie about your voting record? 


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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 08:17:55 PM »
LOL!

dude, you think the universe is 5000 years old. 

it's like arguing philosophy with a sheet of toilet paper.

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 08:19:30 PM »
LOL!

dude, you think the universe is 5000 years old. 

it's like arguing philosophy with a sheet of toilet paper.

Why did you lie about voting Republican your entire life and lie about voting for George Bush Sr.  You weren't even old enough to vote for Bush Sr. 

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2010, 08:20:06 PM »
LOL!

dude, you think the universe is 5000 years old. 

it's like arguing philosophy with a sheet of toilet paper.
typical lib...deflect...

im suprised you didnt bring up bush or palin in this post  ;)

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2010, 08:20:37 PM »
Why did you lie about voting Republican your entire life and lie about voting for George Bush Sr.  You weren't even old enough to vote for Bush Sr.  

You're right.

Now, tell me about the dinos!

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Re: After Delaware, G.O.P. Senate Takeover Appears Much Less Likely
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2010, 08:22:26 PM »
You're right.

Now, tell me about the dinos!

Dude.  I don't need you to admit lying.  I just quoted you.  I'm asking why you lied?