Layne Norton - Prejudging at IFPA PRO INTERNATIONAL

[WillGrant]

As for his natural status. Who knows. Will he be drug tested? He should be if he's the heavyweight winner.

Drug tests mean nothing Im affraid , using fast acting esters eg waterbased , drugs they dont test for etc etc it is very easy to waltz past a drug test.
As meticulous as Layne is he will know how to time it just right so he passes with flying colors , thats natural BB in a nutshell in this day and age.

[Alexander D]

god are you a f@ggot......no one cares about ANYHING you say.


worry about getting your home off wheels, dont worry about reporting bodybuilding news on getbig you sickening little queen

Clearly you care what he says, because you respond to most of his threads.. LOL fag!

[Howard]

Dude stfu..you know sweet fuck all and are deluded as Vince if you think all these "naturals" are actualy truly natural.

This is why the world is in a mess because we have idiots like you teaching our kids.

See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.

[WillGrant]

See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.

Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.

The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..

This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..

Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.

And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit

[che]

Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.

The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..

This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..

Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.

And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit

QFT

[mass243]

See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).

There is no such a thing. All attacks against goodrum are highly appreciated and welcomed.

[gh15]

fellas,, what grant say is very accurate,,

a fella like nortom is A CON ARTIST,,he sit here and read all what you write by the way,,he knows the damage he is doing and get louder and louder every years about it,, he dont understand that sooner or later and its already later he will get busted because people risk their lives for his bullcrap,,he is not liked by the people that count i assure you that,,

he is CON ARTIST OF THE WOSRST DEGREE

gh15 approved

[gh15]

See this is typical here on getbig. Instead of sticking with the topic of natty bodybuilding, you make some silly personal attack against me ( and Goodrum).
In a later post you bring up the validity of drug testing via water based compounds which is true.
Look Will, you abviously have some real knowledge so please stick with that .
I don't care if you call me names and it adds nothing to the debate.
Thanks.

its nto only water based my friend,,today we make it very very easy in oil too,,we do test with no ester very easy ,,everyone use it,,not detected even with best test if taken right,,we also do a lot ofo other compound esterless,,that plus tabs which are very short half life,,and gh which no one test for and insulin since everybody diabetic now days in americana,,....plus clen and research chemical who sold over the counter since you have rats you need to work at since you are a vet assistant,,,plus t4 and t3 that sold to you via usps with other research goodies all colorful pill who look like mnms,,,they dont fooling anybody those natural wanna be,,what they do is pissing of the big boys who sit overseas and risk their lives so those natural wanna be be able sit and perade that they are natural while in reality are on everything esterless and short ester under the sun,,

layne nortom is a very soft physiqe,,he has high level estrogen in the body ,,thats what he is ,,thats why his body is average ,,,what he get out of hormones is denisty and strength combined with hardness,,he is exactly 30 lb over a true natural fella that does natural competition who are very very  few now days,,but those 30lb are the result of hormone usage,,

gh15 approved

[Howard]

its nto only water based my friend,,today we make it very very easy in oil too,,we do test with no ester very easy ,,everyone use it,,not detected even with best test if taken right,,we also do a lot ofo other compound esterless,,that plus tabs which are very short half life,,and gh which no one test for and insulin since everybody diabetic now days in americana,,....plus clen and research chemical who sold over the counter since you have rats you need to work at since you are a vet assistant,,,plus t4 and t3 that sold to you via usps with other research goodies all colorful pill who look like mnms,,,they dont fooling anybody those natural wanna be,,what they do is pissing of the big boys who sit overseas and risk their lives so those natural wanna be be able sit and perade that they are natural while in reality are on everything esterless and short ester under the sun,,

layne nortom is a very soft physiqe,,he has high level estrogen in the body ,,thats what he is ,,thats why his body is average ,,,what he get out of hormones is denisty and strength combined with hardness,,he is exactly 30 lb over a true natural fella that does natural competition who are very very  few now days,,but those 30lb are the result of hormone usage,,

gh15 approved

GH15, you seem like a smart guy but you have rather narrow minded agenda about natural bodybuilding.
It is useless to even try to debate as you and those who believe you already have their minds made up. You did proivde some past posts with some interesting stuff about what pro bodybuilders take. Stick with that and please stop slandering the hard working natural with no objective proof. Thanks and good luck.

[Howard]

Its more the frustration you cause when things are presented to you that are factual from People who know and you still bury your head in the sand.

The guys that make money off there natural status are not natural they just do not have the genetics to make it big time in BB so they take the other avenue and sell a more marketable type of build in the magazines and by selling supplements.
They are better off $ wise as there is not alot of money in BB but to the select few , take away food and drug money from a weekly income of your average BB and you can see why they lower themselves to performing g4p and drug dealing the list goes on..

This message has been there for a long while , put it this way and zulack said this in his colum in the 90s if you are in the mags selling products on the covers or in articles you are enhanced even if you dont have the look of the pros , its the type of drugs they use , more anabolic than androgen based so you get the hard dryer look add in gh t3 clen plus quick acting esters etc then thats what gives you this look and i dont care about drug tests they are easily beaten..

Ialso dont care what someone uses but what irks me is when these guys lie to usely gullible teens or newbies that they can build a body like theres if they just take this supplement etc etc that irks me when they are not natural and none of them are.

And please stop with the "they have passed a test so they are clean nonsense" tests mean shit

Most of the guys that do natty contests seem pretty honest from my experience. Will, like you I really don't care what a guy takes to build his body. I do know that the drug culture is an ingrained attitude within bodybuilding. The hardcore drug useing crowd loves the big, freaky, bodies only possible via great genetics and extreme drug use.
To me the real hypocrites are the supplement ads that show a juiced up pro acting like the supplement is the REAL product.
At least the top natty guys can pass an actual drug test and a lot closer to being real about what you can do by just hard training, legal supplements and good diet.
LOL< I am a lot more into running and hiking now and will never compete again as a bodybuilder, natty or whatever.I will always be a fan. Thanks for the dialgue and good luck with your training.

[TrueGrit]

Murdered by our very own Mr Getbig. Aquiles , we love you bro

[LatsMcGee]

Murdered by our very own Mr Getbig. Aquiles , we love you bro

This guy is all over the forums,  100 percent nattie. 

[Howard]

fellas,, what grant say is very accurate,,

a fella like nortom is A CON ARTIST,,he sit here and read all what you write by the way,,he knows the damage he is doing and get louder and louder every years about it,, he dont understand that sooner or later and its already later he will get busted because people risk their lives for his bullcrap,,he is not liked by the people that count i assure you that,,

he is CON ARTIST OF THE WOSRST DEGREE

gh15 approved

Damage Layne is doing? wtf.
You are an unidentified internet steroid guru with some wierd, extreme ideas on steroids and BB drug use.
Layne is a legit PhD in protein biochem who can pass drug tests to support his claims. He is promoting a healthy form of bodybuilding and lifestyle.
You on the other hand advise everyone who wants to lift to become a walking pharmacy.
Who is the dangerous con man for kids getting into bodybuilding? Hmmmmmmm , I wonder.

[TommyBoy]

gh15 approved

So if he is 30lbs more than what he would be naturally, what do you think the natural limit is then? Say for the USA average of 5'10 height. Not debating he is natural or not, just curious what you think man's limitation is before you automatically assume chemical assistance.

[gh15]

5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,

5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,

the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!

the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken

every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female

what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing

so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,



if he was 6'5 or 6'6  then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,

gh15 approved

[SF1900]

5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,

5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,

the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!

the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken

every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female

what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing

so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,



if he was 6'5 or 6'6  then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,

gh15 approved

 

[chaos]

5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,

gh15 approved

hhhhhhahahahahaha Hi Adonis!!!

[gh15]

all the fellas you se in yoru fat americano gyms walking around at 184lb looking toned,,they are no where near 6% ,,they are at high singles sometimes low doubles,,usually around 8-12,,big diff between 8 percent and 12 percent ,,,there is big diff between even 8 and 10 to the naked eye not much but in PICTURES big diff!!

so when you see a fella natural that been to some hdrol lolwhich ofcourse is drug but lets call him natural ,,walking around at his 185lb and have some muscle ,,,always look at his bodyfat% ,,,it is not 6% it is usually 10-12% now THATS POSSIBLE NATURALLY

gh15 approved

[gh15]

i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,

i applogize

gh15 approved

[~UN_$ung~]

5'10 160lb 5-6% is the absolut highest lean muscle mass a true natural will have,,now maybe sure you read this right ,,,

5-6% true bodyfat! ,,many can be natural at 175lb at 7-8%,,

the numbers i give are bible,,they are not up for debate,,everything already taken into consideration,,bone mass, tendoin,,strength ,,anything you can imagine,, TRUE NATURAL TALKING!

the numbers the adonis fella present on this board are the absolut max for true naturals,, absolut max and even he push it ,,since he present it at 167 if not mistaken

every inch = 7 lb this is the rule i have stated before,,not 4 and not 9 7 lb per inch for male ,,5-6 lb per inch for female

what i write if i chose to write is absolut laws,,there is not if and buts and what if and what nothing

so a fella like layne nortom is not lieing by a little ,,,you know not like he is coming at 172lb and at 6% saying this,,he come over 30 lb bigger i repeat bigger NOT heavier!,,,and with bf natural can not achieve as in sub 5% 4.5-5.5%,,most naturals cant see 5% they are between 5.5 and 6% at absolut minimum,,



if he was 6'5 or 6'6  then his numbers would be more common for true natural ,,but he is as far from 6'6 as howard is far from having a brain and common sense,,

gh15 approved

READ IT FUCKERS!!


THIS IS WHY GH15 WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE HORMONE GOD.......


lot of guys can tell you about how much gear to take, and what someone is on...........you read a couple of anabolics desk reference guides and hang around the gym, info like this becomes second nature



but this kind of post is what makes GH15 special...........he knows the limits of human genetic potential, he knows what bodies are enhanced, which are not, how much someone enhanced/not enhanced will weight...........


these numbers are not up for debate, couple of black guys or total freaks around that can carry 10 or 12 lbs more then a guy with average genetics........but these people are VERY rare ............like .001 percent of the population rare

and even with these freaks........thats 10 or 12 lbs........NOT 30lbs...........5'9 @ 210 @ < 7%  is impossible......muscle is metabolically taxing, and human bodies are set up by anthropology to conserve as much metabolic resources as possible.


long live HORMONE GOD 15..........

[gh15]

i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 6% truly naturally,,

i applogize

gh15 approved

[chaos]

i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,

i applogize

gh15 approved

hhaahaa "Ooops"

[gh15]

 rest assure that i wrote it million time before,,i keep 5'10 in my head because i like mishkos height...and that ass in yoru avatar

gh15 approved

[Disgusted]

i made a mistake fellas,,make the 5'10 into 5'8,,eveyrthing i wrote but 5'8-5'9 nto 5'10 ,,5'10 can have extra 10lb naturally so it wil be 170lb for 5'10 at 65 truly naturally,,

i applogize

gh15 approved

My first show I entered at 18 I weighed 169 and was between 5 to 6% BF at 5' 11". I had been training hard at a gym for about 1 1/2 years.

[Matt C]

Awful genetics for BB

Why?