"bodybuilding nutrition"

[wavelength]

When you have professors and other people who are MUCH more educated than you arguing and studieing for YEARS (and knew information comes out every month) how can you POSSIBLY sit here and argue that you know enough to just say "A calorie is a calorie"? How can you possibly be that arrogant?

Let's get ourselves educated by one of the top nutrionists in the world then:

'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

Do people really give you sh!t about your results because they weren't achieved with clean foods? That's funny, especially considering that people don't realize that "clean" is a subjective term. One thing to remember is that most people simply do not have a fundamental understanding of human physiology. Did you eat at a caloric deficit? Yes.  Did your protein intake and training regimen support LBM retention or at least minimize LBM loss? Yes...... I honestly don't see what's so fcking difficult for naysayers to understand about that.
At my absolute leanest, I ate a pint of hagen daaz every single night right before bed. I also did not have a car at the time, so I biked to school & work. I was running a caloric defricit, so I got lean. The people who give you sh!t are the same brotards who will spend $$$$ on completely useless supps, so we can laugh at them together.

[che]

 

[wavelength]

quite the stud, isn't he?

[wavelength]

wave may i ask - what did your workouts look like when you were a) dieting to your ripped status, and b) not dieting ?

thanks.

Same, like TA.
Mine are a little longer (about one hour) because I do better with longer pauses between sets.

[wavelength]

show me a bodybuilder that follows your 'advise'.

not skinny twinks who have less muscle than most girls in a fitness competition.

It's not 'my advise'.
And all bodybuilders follow these rules, most just think it's necessary to follow additional rules.

[kiwiol]

Brutal 11.5" arms pressed against torso to make them look 12", epic buy 1 get 2nd half price Hanes tank top from Kmart, savage Sunsilk all-in-one budget shampoo+conditioner+anti-dandruff treated hair and pics of junior taken with dad's polaroid camera from the 1970s adorning the fridge.

[wavelength]

 If you are claiming that nutrition for building muscle is irrelevant besides eating more calories than you spend then I agree with you.

  But if you're claiming that nutrition is irrelevant overral, then I disagree. Besides genetics and exposition to stress, nutrition is the most important facor in determining how long/well you live.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I don't claim the latter and 100% agree with the above post.

[wavelength]

i dont understand how there could even be any mistake about this by the so called "experts"

all that matters is "calories" "protein and various vitamins and minerals

fat people worrying about eating to much fat and carbs and shit.... lolololol wtf

CALORIES (for people just trying to lose weight)
CALORIES and PROTEIN (for bodybuilders)

THAT SIMPLE SYOU IDIOTS

 

[wavelength]

Brutal 11.5" arms pressed against torso to make them look 12", epic buy 1 get 2nd half price Hanes tank top from Kmart, savage Sunsilk all-in-one budget shampoo+conditioner+anti-dandruff treated hair and pics of junior taken with dad's polaroid camera from the 1970s adorning the fridge.

Hahaha, I'll have to send him that post

[che]

Brutal 11.5" arms pressed against torso to make them look 12", epic buy 1 get 2nd half price Hanes tank top from Kmart, savage Sunsilk all-in-one budget shampoo+conditioner+anti-dandruff treated hair and pics of junior taken with dad's polaroid camera from the 1970s adorning the fridge.

  

[Shockwave]

Let's get ourselves educated by one of the top nutrionists in the world then:

'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

My point. Im not educated, you dont see me arguing on this matter. It pisses me off that Panda waltzes around trying to act like he knows it all, when he still looks like a fat POS. I lost my 100 pounds, it wasnt all clean eating, but I sure as hell wasnt eating shit everyday, and my results were much better when I ate a good diet.

[DK II]

Let's get ourselves educated by one of the top nutrionists in the world then:

'Alan Aragon has over 15 years of success in the fitness field. He earned his Bachelor and Master of Science in Nutrition with top honors. Alan is a continuing education provider for the Commission on Dietetic Registration, National Academy of Sports Medicine, American Council on Exercise, and National Strength & Conditioning Association. Alan recently lectured to clinicians at the FDA and the annual conference of the Los Angeles Dietetic Association. He maintains a private practice designing programs for recreational, Olympic, and professional athletes, including the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Kings, and Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Alan is a contributing editor to Men's Health magazine, where he has a monthly column called "Ask The Weight Loss Coach".'

PLEASE!!!!

You quoted this guy before stating that you don't need cardio to get lean.

He eats ice cream and he RIDES A BIKE 8 MILES to work every fucking day, you cut this out of the quote this time, but the last time i looked on the link you posted, it was there.

When i ride a bike for fucking 16 miles ed, i would call this "CARDIO", my friend.

Your "diet" is total utter fucking bullshit.

[wavelength]

PLEASE!!!!

You quoted this guy before stating that you don't need cardio to get lean.

He eats ice cream and he RIDES A BIKE 8 MILES to work every fucking day, you cut this out of the quote this time, but the last time i looked on the link you posted, it was there.

When i ride a bike for fucking 16 miles ed, i would call this "CARDIO", my friend.

Your "diet" is total utter fucking bullshit.

LOL, I hope you're joking.

[wavelength]

My point. Im not educated, you dont see me arguing on this matter. It pisses me off that Panda waltzes around trying to act like he knows it all, when he still looks like a fat POS. I lost my 100 pounds, it wasnt all clean eating, but I sure as hell wasnt eating shit everyday, and my results were much better when I ate a good diet.

whatever that is

[tommywishbone]

Brutal 11.5" arms pressed against torso to make them look 12", epic buy 1 get 2nd half price Hanes tank top from Kmart, savage Sunsilk all-in-one budget shampoo+conditioner+anti-dandruff treated hair and pics of junior taken with dad's polaroid camera from the 1970s adorning the fridge.

   I like the use of the words "savage" & "adorning." 

Solid post all the way.

[wavelength]

PLEASE!!!!

You quoted this guy before stating that you don't need cardio to get lean.

He eats ice cream and he RIDES A BIKE 8 MILES to work every fucking day, you cut this out of the quote this time, but the last time i looked on the link you posted, it was there.

When i ride a bike for fucking 16 miles ed, i would call this "CARDIO", my friend.

Your "diet" is total utter fucking bullshit.

Question about Cardio:

is it necessary for fat loss or can the same results (no significant difference) be achieved without it, given that the essential rules for fat loss are kept (protein, calories, strength training)?

Aside from the calories it burns, it offers nothing in terms of fat loss effects that bodybuilding-type weight training doesn't already cause. Therefore, cardio is a tool to be used only as necessary for the individual's athletic goals & personal preference. It's not this mandatory thing that everyone needs to do in order to lose fat. It's an option that's available to you if you're not where you're at in terms of leanness and you are a) maxed out in terms of productive resistance training volume or b) maxed out in terms of caloric intake reduction. Both of those variables will differ across individuals. I talk a little more about my views on cardio in this interview with simply shredded.

[DK II]

Question about Cardio:

I don't care what that idiot SAYS, he has been riding a bike for 16 miles ed.

What you don't get is the following:

You say: "I can drive 80 miles with my Fiat!!"

And i say, "Well, i can drive 80 miles with my Ferrari as well, but show me how you drive 140 with that stupid Fiat".


No offense, WL, but you were probably a fat fuck before you got lean, meaning you lost a ton of muscle in the process and ended up very ripped at 60kg.
If you had followed a good diet, you would have stayed with 75kg at the same bf.

You can get very ripped by starving yourself to nearly death and only eating junk food and drinking protein shakes, but that is like driving 80mph in a Fiat.
When you want to be big AND ripped, you need a clean, healthy diet, much more protein than you think and cardio. Sure you don't need cardio to lose weight, but let me tell you, when you diet, UPPING your calories by 1000 and burning more calories by doing more Cardio as well so that you are still in a deficit will give you FAR better results than starving yourself like you do.
Why is that? Because the body gets everything it needs, enough protein, enough vitamins, enough Omega3-fatty acids, enough fiber and so on. But let me tell you one more thing: This is the hard way. You need to eat, time your meals, eat clean, and do more cardio (preferably HIIT) than before.

Yours is the pussy way, no cardio, one junk food meal and only shakes, and the result is that you look like a 9 year old girl when you wear a T-shirt.

I hope you understand me so far, because i am done with arguing with you and your stupid diet for today.

[affeman]

I don't care what that idiot SAYS, he has been riding a bike for 16 miles ed.

What you don't get is the following:

You say: "I can drive 80 miles with my Fiat!!"

And i say, "Well, i can drive 80 miles with my Ferrari as well, but show me how you drive 140 with that stupid Fiat".


No offense, WL, but you were probably a fat fuck before you got lean, meaning you lost a ton of muscle in the process and ended up very ripped at 60kg.
If you had followed a good diet, you would have stayed with 75kg at the same bf.

You can get very ripped by starving yourself to nearly death and only eating junk food and drinking protein shakes, but that is like driving 80mph in a Fiat.
When you want to be big AND ripped, you need a clean, healthy diet, much more protein than you think and cardio. Sure you don't need cardio to lose weight, but let me tell you, when you diet, UPPING your calories by 1000 and burning more calories by doing more Cardio as well so that you are still in a deficit will give you FAR better results than starving yourself like you do.
Why is that? Because the body gets everything it needs, enough protein, enough vitamins, enough Omega3-fatty acids, enough fiber and so on. But let me tell you one more thing: This is the hard way. You need to eat, time your meals, eat clean, and do more cardio (preferably HIIT) than before.

Yours is the pussy way, no cardio, one junk food meal and only shakes, and the result is that you look like a 9 year old girl when you wear a T-shirt.

I hope you understand me so far, because i am done with arguing with you and your stupid diet for today.

pwned!

[wavelength]

I don't care what that idiot SAYS, he has been riding a bike for 16 miles ed.

What you don't get is the following:

You say: "I can drive 80 miles with my Fiat!!"

And i say, "Well, i can drive 80 miles with my Ferrari as well, but show me how you drive 140 with that stupid Fiat".


No offense, WL, but you were probably a fat fuck before you got lean, meaning you lost a ton of muscle in the process and ended up very ripped at 60kg.
If you had followed a good diet, you would have stayed with 75kg at the same bf.

You can get very ripped by starving yourself to nearly death and only eating junk food and drinking protein shakes, but that is like driving 80mph in a Fiat.
When you want to be big AND ripped, you need a clean, healthy diet, much more protein than you think and cardio. Sure you don't need cardio to lose weight, but let me tell you, when you diet, UPPING your calories by 1000 and burning more calories by doing more Cardio as well so that you are still in a deficit will give you FAR better results than starving yourself like you do.
Why is that? Because the body gets everything it needs, enough protein, enough vitamins, enough Omega3-fatty acids, enough fiber and so on. But let me tell you one more thing: This is the hard way. You need to eat, time your meals, eat clean, and do more cardio (preferably HIIT) than before.

Yours is the pussy way, no cardio, one junk food meal and only shakes, and the result is that you look like a 9 year old girl when you wear a T-shirt.

I hope you understand me so far, because i am done with arguing with you and your stupid diet for today.

LOL, you must be joking to think you know more about nutrition and training than Alan. So you're saying we should rather listen to you than him ... based on what exactly?

Your arguments ad hominem are irrelevant of course. Alan uses them to make a point but all of his statements are solely based in science.

And please define for me in scientific terms, what a "clean" diet is and why. If you can do that, I'll leave GB forever.

Du meinst das doch nicht wirklich ernst, oder?

[DK II]

LOL, you must be joking to think you know more about nutrition and training than Alan. So you're saying we should rather listen to you than him ... based on what exactly?

Your arguments ad hominem are irrelevant of course. Alan uses them to make a point but all of his statements are solely based in science.

And please define for me in scientific terms, what a "clean" diet is and why. If you can do that, I'll leave GB forever.

Du meinst das doch nicht wirklich ernst, oder?

I am sorry that i insulted your husband.

Maybe you can show us how you manage du get 85kg ripped with that shit diet.

Everything i wrote there is backed by guys like John Berardi, Chris Aceto and a few other i read.

This guy Alan is full of shit, riding a bicycle every day for 16 miles and telling people "You don't need cardio".

Also his "BCAA don't work" bullshit. Sure, when you eat icecream all day it doesn't make sense to trigger protein synthesis.

A "clean" diet is simply a healthy diet. Not too much saturated fatty acids, no transfats like in your chinese garbage, enough fibers, complex carbs, protein with full amino acids profiles. I don't want to die, i want to be healthy.

[wavelength]

I am sorry that i insulted your husband.

Maybe you can show us how you manage du get 85kg ripped with that shit diet.

Everything i wrote there is backed by guys like John Berardi, Chris Aceto and a few other i read.

This guy Alan is full of shit, riding a bicycle every day for 16 miles and telling people "You don't need cardio".

Also his "BCAA don't work" bullshit. Sure, when you eat icecream all day it doesn't make sense to trigger protein synthesis.

LOL, I'm not insulted by anything, just wanted to find out if you're actually serious.
If you take Berardi and Aceto over Aragon, that's your decision. People will make their own decisions anyway.

PS.: Alan never said you don't need protein, he just said you don't need extra BCAAs on top of it.

[DK II]

LOL, I'm not insulted by anything, just wanted to find out if you're actually serious.
If you take Berardi and Aceto over Aragon, that's your decision. People will make their own decisions anyway.

PS.: Alan never said you don't need protein, he just said you don't need extra BCAAs on top of it.

For me it's rather funny that YOU are serious with this shit.

If it would work, don't you think at least ONE bodybuilder would eat this way??? One? At least? I don't see anyone getting into contest shape on alcohol, chinese food and pizza. I wonder why?

I edited the above post for a reference to clean = healthy in my book.


I also don't mind you dieting this way, what gets on my fucking nerves is your arrogance in telling everyone else he is stupid when following a "bodybuilding diet". Your starvation shit will get you nowhere in bodybuilding terms, you can go from very fat into ripped with little muscle with your diet, if you are fine with it, fine, but don't ridicule people that have bigger goals.

(I'm on a low carb diet right now, hence the bad temper, it's nothing personal, WL, you're just getting on my neves with the same bullshit all the time.)

[wavelength]

A "clean" diet is simply a healthy diet. Not too much saturated fatty acids, no transfats like in your chinese garbage, enough fibers, complex carbs, protein with full amino acids profiles. I don't want to die, i want to be healthy.

So a clean diet is the most healthy diet or is it the best diet for bodybuilding?
Or is the healthiest diet automatically the best diet for bodybuilding?

[wavelength]

For me it's rather funny that YOU are serious with this shit.

If it would work, don't you think at least ONE bodybuilder would eat this way??? One? At least? I don't see anyone getting into contest shape on alcohol, chinese food and pizza. I wonder why?

I edited the above post for a reference to clean = healthy in my book.


I also don't mind you dieting this way, what gets on my fucking nerves is your arrogance in telling everyone else he is stupid when following a "bodybuilding diet". Your starvation shit will get you nowhere in bodybuilding terms, you can go from very fat into ripped with little muscle with your diet, if you are fine with it, fine, but don't ridicule people that have bigger goals.

(I'm on a low carb diet right now, hence the bad temper, it's nothing personal, WL, you're just getting on my neves with the same bullshit all the time.)

Well it's the same BS from everyone, you can't expect I'll change my opinion every week.
I don't think anyone's stupid, every "bodybuilding diet" out there (including mine) follows the exact same essential rules anyway.

And I don't take anything on GB personally anyway, LOL.

[DK II]

Well it's the same BS from everyone, you can't expect I'll change my opinion every week.
I don't think anyone's stupid, every "bodybuilding diet" out there (including mine) follows the exact same essential rules anyway.

And I don't take anything on GB personally anyway, LOL.

No, yours isn't.

a caloric deficit on transfats, sugar, mononatrium glutamate and protein shakes is a shitty diet that will NOT get you into a bodybuilder.

You probably had lots of muscle when you were fat before, and lost a lot when dieting down. A bodybuilding diet will make you build muscles and moderate fat when bulking (also achieved with cardio) and make you keep muscle in a caloric deficit (cardio here is a way to keep calories rather high when dieting, if you do not understand the benefits from this, i feel sorry for you).

Any caloric deficit will make you lose weight, and any caloric plus combined with training will make you gain weight, the question here is if you want the Ferrari or the Fiat. Yours is the Fiat, you will lose a lot of muscle when dieting and gain tons of fat when you bulk on chinese food, pizza and protein shakes.

A healthy bodybuilding diet is the Ferrari.