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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2010, 02:55:54 PM »
The last thing most people would probably want is some 26-year-old kid fresh out of med school doing open heart surgery on them.

And given how quick people are to sue for malpractice these days, I think less training will make that shit even worse.

A doc friend of mine told me to get used to paki and cuban docs after ObamaCare is put intol full bloom as no one else be able to afford to stay in medicine.

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2010, 04:07:22 PM »
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The average Doc makes 150k a year.    Is that too much according to you to someone who goes to school for 10 years, delays income earning until past 30 y/o, probably has 200k in debt? 

did i mention save your life? 
Meh its comparable to a lot of other fields. they be 200 k in debt but theyll make about 3 million more in their career than the average american. Lots of American dont make fuck all until after 30. Feeling sorry for doctors is silly. Besides all the prospects for high quality docs will go up as the developing world produces higher caliber people.

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2010, 04:09:54 PM »
Meh its comparable to a lot of other fields. they be 200 k in debt but theyll make about 3 million more in their career than the average american. Lots of American dont make fuck all until after 30. Feeling sorry for doctors is silly. Besides all the prospects for high quality docs will go up as the developing world produces higher caliber people.



Yeah, whatever.  Keepdreaming.  No wonder talented people don't want to go into medicine with grubby citizens begrugding them what they make/

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2013, 09:24:08 AM »
1) I'm against obamacare.  So feel free to shine my knob if you want to accuse me of kneepadding obamacare.

2) Could it be doctors have been making TOO MUCH MONEY all along?  Just a thought.  Maybe this is just shit leveling out.

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http://blog.aarp.org/2013/03/29/nurse-practitioners-the-answer-to-the-doctor-shortage


Let’s do the math: We have nearly 30 million uninsured people about to get medical coverage under the health care law come January. And we have a projected shortage of 45,000 primary care physicians by 2020. Add to that the American Association of Nurse Practitioners (AANP), with 43,000 members who say they can offer basic care if state laws would just let them set up an independent practice without doctor supervision.
 
And the answer is …
 
The nurse-practitioners, of course, say it’s a matter of simple addition: New laws are needed to give them more autonomy.
 
But doctors say it’s a miscalculation to think that patient safety won’t be compromised by not having a doctor overseeing things. Family physicians have more than four times as much education and training, accumulating an average of 21,700 hours, whereas nurse-practitioners receive 5,350 hours, the American Academy of Family Physicians points out.
 
Others question whether this is a situation of the health care industry looking for cheaper labor to provide services to patients. Pricier specialists have been providing 40 percent of primary care visits, studies show, although the number of medical-school graduates going into primary care is slowly rising, according to USA Today.
 
But with the health care deadline looming, a new push has been launched in about a dozen states to allow nurses with a master’s degree or higher to order and interpret diagnostic tests, prescribe medications and administer treatments without physician oversight, the Washington Post reports.
 
“We have a ready-made, no-added-cost workforce in place that could be providing care at a much higher level if we modernize our state laws,” Taynin Kopanos, vice president of state government affairs for AANP, told the Post. “So the question for states is, are you going to fully deploy this resource or not?”
 
Doctors say their opposition isn’t because they’re worried about keeping their jobs; they’re concerned about patient safety. A nurse-practitioner could miss something crucial in a patient with complex symptoms.
 
“I see it as physicians being true to their oath. And being true to their training and education. And I think most physicians feel that way. They are not threatened by this. At the end of the day what they want to do is deliver the best health care possible,” Ardis Hoven, M.D., president-elect of the American Medical Association, told the radio show Marketplace.
 
But John Rowe, M.D., of the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, told Marketplace that nurse-practitioners are already working without primary care doctors: “The fact is, this is going on in 16 to 17 other states, and there is no evidence that it’s not good for the patients.”
 
The Post story noted that the health care law itself encourages the creation of nurse-run practices by requiring insurers to pay nurses the same rates they pay doctors for the same services, starting next year. Medicare, however, will still reimburse nurses at 85 percent of the doctors’ rate.


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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2013, 09:45:28 AM »
This now takes the cake as the most ignorant thing I have ever read from you.

Do you have any idea how long it takes? honestly 240, do you?

One of my best friends from College, who is now a Cardiologist, didn't finish until he was 37 years old.

Take a look:

4 years of College

then

4 years of Medical School

then

3 years of Residency in Internal Medicine

then

3 years of Fellowship in Cardiology

then

2 years of specialty training in Interventional Cardiology

He lived in rented rooms, and dorms until almost the age of 40, eating cheap food, and now has a huge loan to pay off.

he should of been paid during his internship, here we get roughly 50k, while not alot, it covers/offsets alot of the loans.

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2013, 11:18:47 AM »
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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2013, 07:30:39 AM »
Where are the dolts who claimed this would be an impossibility?

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2013, 11:52:53 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/04/NY-Post-White-House-Insider-Says-Not-Enough-Doctors-Nurses-For-ObamaCare


We warned you fucking morons how many times?  Even inside the WH they knew this was going to occur. 

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2013, 01:19:16 PM »
Do you want Julio or peggy in the operating room? 

Julio or Peggy?  Naw, more like Vijay and Priya.

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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2013, 01:36:41 PM »
Julio or Peggy?  Naw, more like Vijay and Priya.

Julio




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Re: Reuters: ObamaCare to cause doctor shortage of 50% by 2015!
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2013, 01:55:28 PM »
You = FAIL

http://blog.aarp.org/2013/03/29/nurse-practitioners-the-answer-to-the-doctor-shortage


Let’s do the math: We have nearly 30 million uninsured people about to get medical coverage under the health care law come January. And we have a projected shortage of 45,000 primary care physicians by 2020. Add to that the American Association of Nurse Practitioners (AANP), with 43,000 members who say they can offer basic care if state laws would just let them set up an independent practice without doctor supervision.
 
And the answer is …
 
The nurse-practitioners, of course, say it’s a matter of simple addition: New laws are needed to give them more autonomy.
 
But doctors say it’s a miscalculation to think that patient safety won’t be compromised by not having a doctor overseeing things. Family physicians have more than four times as much education and training, accumulating an average of 21,700 hours, whereas nurse-practitioners receive 5,350 hours, the American Academy of Family Physicians points out.
 
Others question whether this is a situation of the health care industry looking for cheaper labor to provide services to patients. Pricier specialists have been providing 40 percent of primary care visits, studies show, although the number of medical-school graduates going into primary care is slowly rising, according to USA Today.
 
But with the health care deadline looming, a new push has been launched in about a dozen states to allow nurses with a master’s degree or higher to order and interpret diagnostic tests, prescribe medications and administer treatments without physician oversight, the Washington Post reports.
 
“We have a ready-made, no-added-cost workforce in place that could be providing care at a much higher level if we modernize our state laws,” Taynin Kopanos, vice president of state government affairs for AANP, told the Post. “So the question for states is, are you going to fully deploy this resource or not?”
 
Doctors say their opposition isn’t because they’re worried about keeping their jobs; they’re concerned about patient safety. A nurse-practitioner could miss something crucial in a patient with complex symptoms.
 
“I see it as physicians being true to their oath. And being true to their training and education. And I think most physicians feel that way. They are not threatened by this. At the end of the day what they want to do is deliver the best health care possible,” Ardis Hoven, M.D., president-elect of the American Medical Association, told the radio show Marketplace.
 
But John Rowe, M.D., of the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, told Marketplace that nurse-practitioners are already working without primary care doctors: “The fact is, this is going on in 16 to 17 other states, and there is no evidence that it’s not good for the patients.”
 
The Post story noted that the health care law itself encourages the creation of nurse-run practices by requiring insurers to pay nurses the same rates they pay doctors for the same services, starting next year. Medicare, however, will still reimburse nurses at 85 percent of the doctors’ rate.



Good stuff in this copy pasta, SC.  (Probably a first for you, hehe)  Nurse-practitioners with more autonomy is probably what's going to end up being the best solution.  After all, the health care issues that most commonly affect us are, well, common.  If you have some baffling problem that they can't work out, then go get Dr. House by all means, but if it's just to treat the kind of shit most go in for, a nurse practitioner is far better than nothing.

It works for me:   My regular "doctor" is an advanced nurse-practitioner (MSN, actually) who I met when I went to Urgent Care because of an abdominal pain (that ended up just being a muscle pull of some kind).  She's awesome.  She correctly guessed that I had severe sleep apnea just by looking in my mouth during my initial visit.  (Turns out the heavy snoring common to sleep apnea sufferers often results in a tell-tale inflamed look somewhere past your tongue in your throat.)  None of the "real" doctors who'd previously examined me in prior several years ever said shit about that.  (BTW, I then did a sleep study which they interrupted in the middle because it was clear that I had very severe sleep apnea too serious for a regular CPAP and had to get a VPAP machine.)  She also has full knowledge of my hormone supplementation and is fine with administering and helping me to interpret my regular blood tests.  When I asked her why she'd be willing to help me with that, she said, "Why not? You're going to do it (juice, that is) no matter what I say, right?"  I was floored because that sensible response is in total and complete contrast to everything I'd heard from every other medical person I'd tried to talk with about the subject: Almost to a person they first try to act like they know more than they do while naming every side-effect ever mentioned on an after-school special and then, when I start asking questions they obviously don't really know the answer to (like asking the details on how dose-specific different side effects are), they'll try to argue with me about the value of being bigger and stronger while implying that no sane person would want that.