2010 Olympia - Jay vs Phil - Bad Judges or Bad Politics???

[Sherief Shalaby]

 Jay has a bazillion pounds of muscle on Phil. Superior taper, aesthetics and round muscle bellies only take you so far. The Mr.Olympia is about finding the World's not only most perfectly developed man but also the most developed, period, and Jay's muscle development is far superior to Phil Heath's. Also, Heath is far from perfect with his long waist, narrow clavicles and shitty calves.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

so why didnt marcus win any olympia?!..

phil calves are good!!.. not great but still not bad and not as bad as the imbalance of jay's quads..

also phil is clearly better in the 2 rear poses.. jay's rls is always kinda soft even at his best..

[20inch calves]

The champ has no back, the bodypart that all other Mr. O's had over everybody...Jay, has only size. He is a substandard Mr. O, he marginalizes the title.

thats funny jays back is better than phils

[Parker]

thats funny jays back is better than phils

Oh, really, care to look at the pics again, Jay only has width and lack detail, I guess wrinkles in the back to you means "better"  




So, please tell me where Jay is better in the back? It ain't there....

[Sherief Shalaby]

**exhales**


for every selective picture you can produce of a specific pose (from the final, where EVERYONE agreed jay improved, and phil diminished)


i can produce the same photo from the finals or prejudging where jay was winning easily winning the shot


some of you really have much to learn about how bodybuildig is judged........believe it or not, its not judged on whose physique is "prettier" or whose physique you would rather have










dorians analysis was that jay was the clear winner

i dont know what haney would have said, but it would probably be phil

Ronnie ALWAYS picks other black competitors to win (whether they deserved it or not) he has always been racist in that regard

arnold could give a flying fuck about bodybuilding, his only association with the sport is when he sells his name-rights to jim lorimer once a year in exchange for a few million dollars...........he couldnt even be bothered to make an appearance in what is almost CERTAINLY joe weiders last olympia.......even though it would only require a 15 minute ride in one of his leer jets

all these shots are from the finals idiot!!..

[TRIX]

Most of those pics angles favor phil. JAY CRUSHED HIM. watch the webcast again

[Parker]

Most of those pics angles favor phil. JAY CRUSHED HIM. watch the webcast again

I watched it, and say that Jay had a wider back, Jay has less detail. When Dorian "crushed" Flex (even thoug some had Flex winning the show), Dorian had a equally great back, and one could pick apart and give reason for Dorian's win, one cannot with Jay, other than he was bigger...Jason Huh has a better back than Jay.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Most of those pics angles favor phil. JAY CRUSHED HIM. watch the webcast again

i cut these shots from the top 6 final comparisons and the cam was in front of them all,.. no angles favoring anyone..

[johnny1]

i agree with you jonny but this didnt happen in 2007 when jay the defending champion was clearly off and martinez and dex were on but still they gave it to him!!..

2010 was close but not because jay was that great but because all his top competitors have their clear flaws too!!..

still i see phil was better but again it was close and not as bad as when jay beat martinez in 2007!!..

Yes 2007 is a Different story, Politics May or may not have played a part to what degree and whatever reason is speculation @ best, Jay was off no doubt however if memory recalls the Obvious synthol in Victors calves (from the rear mandatory's) didn't help his cause even though he was in Fantastic shape  

[Cleanest Natural]

.Personaly I think they all look like utter crap , guys walking around at 3 % BF yet still look like bloated dinosaurs with bigger guts than a 9 month pregnant woman its a disgrace.

QFT

it's becoming more and more pathetic if it's humanly possible

[phyxsius]

nasser agrees with me 

yup.. looked like Nasser has upgraded from living in the basement to garage..

THIS IS AWESOME

[Matt C]

dorians analysis was that jay was the clear winner

What was Dorian's reasoning for that?  That Jay had too much size for Phil to handle?  That is sort of the reason why I was leaning towards Jay as well, mainly because Phil does not quite have the mass necessary to handle Jay, even though Phil had superior conditioning.  And on that note, Jay wasn't exactly off this year conditioning-wise.

[~UN_$ung~]

all these shots are from the finals idiot!!..

i know they are you fucking dirty monkey...........

[mossel]

jay won... it's a fact.. live with it...

[epic_alien]

Oh, really, care to look at the pics again, Jay only has width and lack detail, I guess wrinkles in the back to you means "better"  




So, please tell me where Jay is better in the back? It ain't there....

ok i guess we have to explain bodybuilding to the 160lb knee grow again,

jays back is so much wider than phils, his legs are harder from front to back, his shoulders and chest are so much larger, to such a large extent, that wrinkles mean absolute little to the overall process of judging a physique.

not only is jay bigger, he is in better condition.

now a homework assignment for you parker,

look at the rear lat spread shots again, then i want you to look at the visible area inside the arms, i want you to notice the  from where the hand is on the waist and follow the  the gap all the way up from the lat to the arm . this is just a minor tool to use for you to maybe understand the complexity of what your not comprehending about how bodybuilding works.

[delta9mda]

 Jay has a bazillion pounds of muscle on Phil. Superior taper, aesthetics and round muscle bellies only take you so far. The Mr.Olympia is about finding the World's not only most perfectly developed man but also the most developed, period, and Jay's muscle development is far superior to Phil Heath's. Also, Heath is far from perfect with his long waist, narrow clavicles and shitty calves.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

are you saying that phil is another shawn ray? 

[delta9mda]

i cut these shots from the top 6 final comparisons and the cam was in front of them all,.. no angles favoring anyone..

the angle is slightly from the right, open your eyes

[~UN_$ung~]

the angle is slightly from the right, open your eyes

the angle is favorig phil

[MORTALCOIL]

Pics are just pics. This has been discussed a million times. See the endless Nasser vs Dorian threads. Everybody knows pics are ne thing, videos another and reality is once again different and you really have to be there (or at least take into considerations what people who are there have to say). Pics generally favor the smaller Bbers it seems. Phil could have won and that's it, could have. Jay still had enough to beat him and that's not even close to 2007.

[epic_alien]

parker, did you do your homework assignment?