Lee Haney, Dorian Yates, Ronnie Coleman...Jay Cutler?

[Immortal_Technique]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

He hasn't really changed anything because eveyone knows he's only top dog since Ronnie got old and tore everything.

He is however the widest guy around at the moment proportional to his frame, and now he's got his waist looking a bit better again it's gonna take someone in crazy shape to knock him off the top unless he comes in flat and fat again.

I guess we're in a period like the lat 70s earl 80s where a few guys look pretty good but noone is advancing the sport. I seriously thought Kai was gonna blow us all away this year with a new level of shredded crazyiness, but I guess that didn't happen.

[Parker]

"A other level", i assume by that you mean some kind of shitty bloated monster gut level?

We all can agree other than you, Ronnie took the "freaky look" to another level, just inhuman...yes gut included....

  It doesen't matter. You are not compared to the best ever, but to the guys you are competing against. Cutler is the best currently because all of his opponents have serious flaws that he doesen't. Phil Heath is too small and has serious structural flaws despite his round muscle bellies and great taper. Wolfe has a long torso and terrible calves and so on...

  And you can't really compare any bodybuilders to Dorian and Ron at their best. These two are so far above every other bodybuilder in history that it is unfair to compare. The ultimate bodybuildiing show would be Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia vs Dorian 1995.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I'm not comparing them per se, but asking does he warrant being mentioned with the likes that I had mentioned...Ronnie and Dorian are contemporaries, as are Ronnie and Jay, if given to logic, Jay would continue to build upon the uber freakiness that Ronnie brought, but he has not. Each era, builds upon the other, but it seems that after Ronnie, it has stagnated...with Jay, Ronnie was the plateau...now it's down hill

[MORTALCOIL]

To me, Jay only deserved his last two titles. 2007 was one of the biggest jokes and 2006 was more like Ronnie "losing" 'cause the judges got fed up with him winning while declining. But he still should have beaten Jay. Jay hasn't faced the competition the other greats faced (particularly Yates and Arnold). I think he'll be considered as more deserving than some (Dickerson, Columbu, Jackson) but less than the others.

[JasonH]

olympia multi winners:

arnold = white..
haney = black..
dorian = white..
ronnie = black..
jay = white..

what a coincidence

How's it a coincidence? Are you saying they alternate the multi Olympia winners based solely on the colour of their skin? That would be a pretty hard trick to pull off in the last forty years of pro bodybuilding!

All it goes to show is that one can be a multi-O winner irrespective of their skin colour. Unlike other sports where skin colour does seem to matter, where the winner is always white (swimming), or black (100m running).

[Immortal_Technique]

Zane

[epic_alien]

Okay, we've all seen them at their peaks, and the three former Mr. O's are all very dominant during their respective eras. Can Jay Cutler be uttered in the same breath in terms of quality, dominance of field, and changine the game? Lee Haney forced others to change up, Dorian forced others to change up, namely everybody had to have not just a great back, but a outstanding one, plus mass and superior conditioning. And Ronnie Coleman built upon that, and took it to a other level. What has Cutler brought? How has Cutlee changed the game, if at all?

youll have to excuse parker,

he is 160lbs and doesnt quite get bodybuilding yet.

[Parker]

youll have to excuse parker,

he is 160lbs and doesnt quite get bodybuilding yet.

Dude, you contributed nothing to the thread, nor the topic. Read what I wrote, digest it, then comment. The topic is whether or not he should be mention in the same sentence as the others, is he as dominant. A yes or a no...

160 pounds? I've seen dudes like in the video, regularly, and some of them on PCP, roughly 160-170, so don't diss 160, like it ain't nothing. Go4It weighs 170, and the women throw him their panties...

[G_Thang]

Dude, you contributed nothing to the thread, nor the topic. Read what I wrote, digest it, then comment. The topic is whether or not he should be mention in the same sentence as the others, is he as dominant. A yes or a no...

160 pounds? I've seen dudes like in the video, regularly, and some of them on PCP, roughly 160-170, so don't diss 160, like it ain't nothing. Go4It weighs 170, and the women throw him their panties...

hey gh...all weed, church's chicken and grape juice.  and guess what?  he still is not the complete extent of naturalness because probably doesnt do weight training to keep his flexibility.  



if i'm wrong then tell me who he gets his blackmark sexual stimulates from in the hood.  

[Parker]

hey gh...all weed, church's chicken and grape juice.  and guess what?  he still is not the complete extent of naturalness because probably doesnt do weight training to keep his flexibility.  



if i'm wrong then tell me who he gets his blackmark sexual stimulates from in the hood.  

Exactly, and if these dudes only trained 6 mos, they could win Mr. Getbig out right...just doing playground exercises...

And being "160"

[MB]

We all can agree other than you, Ronnie took the "freaky look" to another level, just inhuman...yes gut included....

I'm not comparing them per se, but asking does he warrant being mentioned with the likes that I had mentioned...Ronnie and Dorian are contemporaries, as are Ronnie and Jay, if given to logic, Jay would continue to build upon the uber freakiness that Ronnie brought, but he has not. Each era, builds upon the other, but it seems that after Ronnie, it has stagnated...with Jay, Ronnie was the plateau...now it's down hill

Each era got heavier and heavier, not necessarily better.  There is still argument that Dorian in '93 was the best, 17 years ago.  In order to be considered greater than Yates or Coleman, it won't be done on size, that's already been maxed out.  It's going to be someone with their size, but more detail and shape; a genetic freak. 

[Parker]

Each era got heavier and heavier, not necessarily better.  There is still argument that Dorian in '93 was the best, 17 years ago.  In order to be considered greater than Yates or Coleman, it won't be done on size, that's already been maxed out.  It's going to be someone with their size, but more detail and shape; a genetic freak. 

Enter Heath? Kai? Cedric? Pakulski? Vic? Alvisi? Roelly?

[Sherief Shalaby]

How's it a coincidence? Are you saying they alternate the multi Olympia winners based solely on the colour of their skin? That would be a pretty hard trick to pull off in the last forty years of pro bodybuilding!

All it goes to show is that one can be a multi-O winner irrespective of their skin colour. Unlike other sports where skin colour does seem to matter, where the winner is always white (swimming), or black (100m running).

no man i was just kidding

[JP_RC]

Cutler will never reach the same legendary status of Ronnie, Haney, Arnold or Dorian....even if he wins more Olympias.

He basically didn't bring anything new to the table physique wise, his victories were not as dominant as the others (with the exception of 2009 maybe) and he just will never have the dominance the others had.

As others have said before in this thread, he was just at the right place and at the right time.

Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from Cutler, he is currently the best in the world (even though I'm not a fan of physique, I admit he beats everyone now)....but he can't be compared to them.

[James28]

make that Ronnie 99 (he was better overall than in 98 easily) and dorian 93 (dorian had the awful torn bi in 95) and I would agree.

and by the way, Ronnie would win

No he won't. He said so himself. Stop trolling.

[Hulkster]

thats true. when asked who would win if Ronnie, Arnold, Haney and Dorian stepped onstage at their all time bests, Ronnie said he would win.

thanks for refreshing our memories of this awesome quote that the quote-loving nuthuggers wish was never said.

thanks again

[NarcissisticDeity]

thats true. when asked who would win if Ronnie, Arnold, Haney and Dorian stepped onstage at their all time bests, Ronnie said he would win.

thanks for refreshing our memories of this awesome quote that the quote-loving nuthuggers wish was never said.

thanks again

At it again huh? poor kid reduced to lying 

Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?

R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.

he never once says he would win liar  in fact he says for a third time ' I couldn't beat them in their hey-days ' 

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.


clear cut and concise 

Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.

these two quotes ended anything you have to say about the subject and sent you into the trolling spiral that you've yet to come out of.

Ronnie said three times he could NOT beat Dorian , 3 strikes you're out. 

[Hulkster]

Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win

ND says ronnie never said he would win even though he says it right here LOL

english is tough for ND lol.

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND says ronnie never said he would win even though he says it right here LOL

english is tough for ND lol.

 

he also said ' I could not beat them in their hey-days ' 


NO he never said it sorry and lets entertain he did , that's OLD news kid because at the close of his career he conceded yet again he would NOT beat Dorian so as usual you have nothing and your own hero kicks your ass 

understand this dummy no matter how much you wished he didn't say it he did and multiple times 

stop trolling

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND says ronnie never said he would win even though he says it right here LOL

english is tough for ND lol.

 

And Ironically you're the idiot who claimed who cares what Ronnie says he's a liar , he always lies , he lied about his injuries , ect LMFAO

now you desperately need Ronnie to be honest and the funny part is he never said in that quote he would beat them , in fact he said he would lose to them in their eras

as usual epic backfire dummy 

Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?

Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.



this is the last quote he made on the subject at the close of his career this alone trumps anything he said before hand but it only confirms what he said all along , he can't beat Dorian

thanks for playing stupid. 

[Evo]

Jays physique last year was his best, that pic of him flexing his quad with flared lats will be 'one of those pics' for him IMO, like the priest triceps shot/platz quad pic.

His 09 form is worthy of being put in the mix of the OP's list.....would be at the bottom of the list but not out of place.

[honest]

Ronnie was an outstanding bodybuilder and Olympia winner, Yates at his very peak was just better, both guys are still the benchmarks. Bodybuilding similar to boxing has not progressed in the last decade.

[Royalty]

I remember reading the interview that ND is referring to. Ronnie said he felt Dorian could not be beaten.



I also recall Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillett, and Kevin Levrone having tremendous respect for Dorian. They at one point or another said Dorian was untouchable (who knows, they may have changed there minds down the road)


So if Flex, Ronnie, Dillett, and Levrone respected Yates, why do guys around here show Dorian so little respect?

[Evo]

Doz was the man....his respect from him fellow competitors speaks volume.

Lot of nuthuggers and schmoes don't like him for some reason, maybe americans dislike his persona?

[MB]

Enter Heath? Kai? Cedric? Pakulski? Vic? Alvisi? Roelly?

Seriously?  Haney, Yates, Coleman.....Pakulsi?  There's about 5 top bodybuilders right now and Jay is a little better than the others.  The idea that each generation of bodybuilders is better than the previous one is a fallacy.  We may never see Dorian's graininess, Platz's thigh development, or Munzer's conditioning again in our lifetime.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

I remember reading the interview that ND is referring to. Ronnie said he felt Dorian could not be beaten.



I also recall Flex Wheeler, Paul Dillett, and Kevin Levrone having tremendous respect for Dorian. They at one point or another said Dorian was untouchable (who knows, they may have changed there minds down the road)


So if Flex, Ronnie, Dillett, and Levrone respected Yates, why do guys around here show Dorian so little respect?

They simply don't like his physique , they like the way Ronnie looks better and can't separate what they think looks better to what the judges do , Hulkster & pumpster started this trend of bashing Dorian , thinking this would somehow help his case and it backfired as usual

It confounds their pea-brains how Ronnie could concede that Dorian is better than him , but what do they know? they could wish Ronnie could dominate like Dorian did , they underestimate just how great he was

in the end Ronnie still feels Dorian would beat him , this alone doesn't make it so but I love running it in their face that Ronnie has consistently said Dorian would beat him , it just destroys them to hear