About my testicles. (serious)

[Meso_z]

Guys i have a problem lately.

I run 250 test a week right now - came off from a 1000mg test and dbol cycle.

My problem is that my balls seem "atrophied", as if i took a shower in cold water you know, my cock is "soft" most of the times and cant get it hard enough.

WTF..this has 1-2 months that is happening.

I did a hcg course for 4 weeks 500ui e3d, stopped 2 weeks ago. My balls are still the same. erection seems worse (?).

any help..?

[tstmaniac]

You need to run hcg on your entire cycle. What brand of hcg are you using?...if your using test you shouldn't be totally limp dick

[Meso_z]

You need to run hcg on your entire cycle. What brand of hcg are you using?...if your using test you shouldn't be totally limp dick

I did Schering straight from the pharmacy.

Ive thought of giving it another try with hcg but Im worried about desensation (sp?) ...

[tstmaniac]

If your so worried why don't you come off and post with hcg and clomid and let your nuts get back to normal

[Dr Loomis]

Maybe shouldve hit harder with HCG. Couple higher doses to start.

[4thAD]

Here is more proof that HCG does not bring back your balls. I think you probably just need more time. Keep running the HCG. Desensitization comes from heavy dosing, not frequency of use. 500iu e3d is what you need to run. Add some clomid in there also and that will help bring your balls back.

Did you taper down your dose when you came off the cycle? I am also on TRT and when coming off of a cycle I have to taper the dose down otherwise I crash pretty hard.

[Arnold jr]

Here is more proof that HCG does not bring back your balls. I think you probably just need more time. Keep running the HCG. Desensitization comes from heavy dosing, not frequency of use. 500iu e3d is what you need to run. Add some clomid in there also and that will help bring your balls back.

Did you taper down your dose when you came off the cycle? I am also on TRT and when coming off of a cycle I have to taper the dose down otherwise I crash pretty hard.

I agree. I had some similar trouble about 2yrs ago.

Do you think a short, maybe 10 day run of a higher dose of HCG and clomid might help him? Seemed to help me. I'm thinking maybe a 7-10 day run of HCG, high dose, followed by  lower dose for a few wks. What do you think?

[Meso_z]

I agree. I had some similar trouble about 2yrs ago.

Do you think a short, maybe 10 day run of a higher dose of HCG and clomid might help him? Seemed to help me. I'm thinking maybe a 7-10 day run of HCG, high dose, followed by  lower dose for a few wks. What do you think?

Here is more proof that HCG does not bring back your balls. I think you probably just need more time. Keep running the HCG. Desensitization comes from heavy dosing, not frequency of use. 500iu e3d is what you need to run. Add some clomid in there also and that will help bring your balls back.

Did you taper down your dose when you came off the cycle? I am also on TRT and when coming off of a cycle I have to taper the dose down otherwise I crash pretty hard.

So after 4 weeks of hcg at 500ui e3d, stopped this course 2 weeks now. Youre saying i should do another course but harder + clomid?

note that im not comming "off" anytime soon.. just cruise 250 and blast with 1grm.

what about my erection issues? will some proviron help...maybe viarga or cialis.

shit and im only 21. 

[Stavios]

So after 4 weeks of hcg at 500ui e3d, stopped this course 2 weeks now. Youre saying i should do another course but harder + clomid?

note that im not comming "off" anytime soon.. just cruise 250 and blast with 1grm.

what about my erection issues? will some proviron help...maybe viarga or cialis.

shit and im only 21. 

Had the same problem bro, add clomid with the HCG and keep it for a while

your erection issues should stop after a while on those 2 (at least it did for me)

I still take a cialis from time to times

[Meso_z]

Had the same problem bro, add clomid with the HCG and keep it for a while

your erection issues should stop after a while on those 2 (at least it did for me)

I still take a cialis from time to times

How do i dose clomid? thanks man 

[4thAD]

Clomid 25mg ed for 3 weeks, and HCG 500iu e3d. I run HCG all the time. Every now and then I take a break from the HCG. HCG will stop your balls from atrophy only when used from the very start of using hormones. Once the atrophy has set in the only thing I know that will blow them back is time off and clomid.

[Stavios]

Clomid 25mg ed for 3 weeks, and HCG 500iu e3d. I run HCG all the time. Every now and then I take a break from the HCG. HCG will stop your balls from atrophy only when used from the very start of using hormones. Once the atrophy has set in the only thing I know that will blow them back is time off and clomid.

I am doing the same exept I use 50mg of clomid a day

a well known trainer at a buddy of mine do 200mg a day 

[tstmaniac]

I'm 21 too bro...I feel at our age its important to take breaks and return to homeostasis. But to each his own...like I said your better off staying on a low dose of hcg throughout your whole cycle..throw in some clomid...what's your reason for not coming off?

[Meso_z]

Clomid 25mg ed for 3 weeks, and HCG 500iu e3d. I run HCG all the time. Every now and then I take a break from the HCG. HCG will stop your balls from atrophy only when used from the very start of using hormones. Once the atrophy has set in the only thing I know that will blow them back is time off and clomid.

would it hurt though?

with all the hcg i run few weeks ago..

[Stavios]

I'm 21 too bro...I feel at our age its important to take breaks and return to homeostasis. But to each his own...like I said your better off staying on a low dose of hcg throughout your whole cycle..throw in some clomid...what's your reason for not coming off?

I know it's better to take breaks

I just can't do it.

when I do I feel like shit, the training is good even if I don't juice but mentally I just feel like shit

I am a slave to the drugs 

[tstmaniac]

I kno it sucks dude but you got to be positive and mentally strong

[4thAD]

would it hurt though?

with all the hcg i run few weeks ago..

I don't understand the question bro?

[Arnold jr]

I know it's better to take breaks

I just can't do it.

when I do I feel like shit, the training is good even if I don't juice but mentally I just feel like shit

I am a slave to the drugs 

...and then when the slave master takes all yours away, it is no fun...trust me, it's miserable. Life without steroids, when you know, when you've experienced it, without it is hard on your mental state. It's like eating steak all your life and then only having soggy bread to eat. If all you'd ever had was soggy bread you probably wouldn't cared, but if you've tasted steak...well, if you ever have your steak taken you'd probably have been better off never having it in the first place.

[Meso_z]

I don't understand the question bro?

I was trying to say, wouldnt it hurt using hcg again since I already used it for 4 weeks recently?

[Stavios]

...and then when the slave master takes all yours away, it is no fun...trust me, it's miserable. Life without steroids, when you know, when you've experienced it, without it is hard on your mental state. It's like eating steak all your life and then only having soggy bread to eat. If all you'd ever had was soggy bread you probably wouldn't cared, but if you've tasted steak...well, if you ever have your steak taken you'd probably have been better off never having it in the first place.

Yeah I wih I had never tried roids but I did so !
And that's the only way to look how I want to look in the first place.


But when people ask me at the gym, what should they do for a first cycle, nothing strong because it will be their only cycle.
I always say: think carefully about this because there is no "only 1 cycle".
when you start, and you get off, the first thing you start to think is when you will start something again

[4thAD]

I was trying to say, wouldnt it hurt using hcg again since I already used it for 4 weeks recently?

Refresh my memory, what dose of hcg did you use?

[Meso_z]

Refresh my memory, what dose of hcg did you use?

500ui e3d.. for 4-5 weeks..

[4thAD]

500ui e3d.. for 4-5 weeks..

You can run that dose for a very long time with out the worry of desensitization. 500iu 2xew, or e3d is the recommended dose. This dose was not just made up, many studies have been run on this dose. Read Dr. John Crislers HCG protocol I posted on here. It has been revised, but is still using the same amount of HCG.

[4thAD]

I agree. I had some similar trouble about 2yrs ago.

Do you think a short, maybe 10 day run of a higher dose of HCG and clomid might help him? Seemed to help me. I'm thinking maybe a 7-10 day run of HCG, high dose, followed by  lower dose for a few wks. What do you think?

I think if he was to run this way and then run another PCT he would probably kick start his HTPA back up. Still, full recovery will take some time.

[Meso_z]

You can run that dose for a very long time with out the worry of desensitization. 500iu 2xew, or e3d is the recommended dose. This dose was not just made up, many studies have been run on this dose. Read Dr. John Crislers HCG protocol I posted on here. It has been revised, but is still using the same amount of HCG.

ok im gonna use 500ui's e3d along with 25mg clomid for couple of weeks and see if i get better...i will report back.

thanks guys.