New NPC Women's Physique Division for 2011

[Howard]

Just what do you feel is wrong?  That we had women that also had a voice in whats going on??

As for your support, you can bring it where you wish...that's your prerogative (like Bobby Brown)....but dint you think you're being a bit hypocritical?  No one says you have to support any of the other divisions, but why turn your back on BB?  I, like you Howie, have been around more than 30 years in the biz....and I grew up being a BB fan as well as competitor....when they added FBB, I didn't care...had no impact on me and what I liked. When they added fitness, figure, and now bikini....I couldn't have cared either way, as it has never had any impact on me or my love for MY sport...

You should do what we do when were at shows and dint care for whats going on on stage at a given time....shoot the shit, make the rounds, talk shop with the other pro's/ fans....no one is forcing you to sit there through countless hours of competition you have no interest in....GET UP, MOVE AROUND, have some fun with other fans and fellow people in the business...

Thanks for the sincere reply. Yes, I always do enjoy mingling at shows and talking shop with you and others I have known over the years. You and Betty Pariso are smart people and know bodybuilding. I shouldn't really let this bug me but it does. why? The real, root of the problem is EXTREME drug use. In my humble opinion without dealing with the drug issue it is all PR and bait and swtich. Thanks again for the repl.

[chris10000]

Betty Pariso

the bigger truth behind the new class:

betty pariso (none of the female fbbs voted her as their representive) decided to scale down... but she want to continue competing for figure (american ifbb style). But she is still to big (bonestructure)... so she created a new categorie that fits her interest.. She didnt make this in the name of the fbbs she should represent... She made it only in her name... for her very own reason. she should be replaced by somebody more capable

[buffdnet]

I think the supplementation gets all the negative credit for the rough and extreme look

what people dnt understand is that the diuretics and extreme condition is what makes the look so extreme
NOT THAT THESE WOMEN HAVE PENORIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WELL ANYTHING.



SIMPLE SOLUTION TO SAVING FBB

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-WEIGHT CLASSES

-CIRCUMCISIONS

[Chick]

the bigger truth behind the new class:
betty pariso (none of the female fbbs voted her as their representive)   decided to scale down...but she want to continue competing
for figure (american ifbb style) she is still to big (bonestructure)...she created a new categorie that fits her interest..she didnt make this in the name of the fbbs she should represent...she made it only in her name...for her very own reason

she should be replaced by somebody more capable

Nice senario, but totally wrong...

[chris10000]

Nice senario, but totally wrong...

In which name did betty make this ? The fbbs here didnt even know about... so for sure not in the name of the people she should speak

[Chick]

sure  ??
in which name did betty make this ?
the fbbs here didnt even know about...so for sure not in the name of the people she should speak

The FBBers have known about this since it's inception back in 1980....feel free to read the exerpt I posted, circa 1982.

We dont need to consult with 100 athletes to know that the ROI is zero, support is virtually zero, and numbers have fallen to an all time low...only need to look at the business side.

While Betty fully supports this, I was the one who wrote it up...irrelevant either way.

[chris10000]

, support is virtually zero, and numbers have fallen to an all time low...only need to look at the business side.

what has the ifbb done to market them ??
zero
dont blame the fbb
blame the organization

[Chick]

what has the ifbb done to market them ??
zero
dont blame the fbb
blame the organization

Blame evryone, and no one...because that's who to blame.

Judges judge whats standing before them, athletes train to achieve what the judges are looking for, lose/ lose

bodybuilding is a progresive sport no different for men and women....there are arguments today that the MEN have takenit too far, too extreme.

BB is a nitche sport, that makes FBB a nitche of a nitche...sheer numbers arent possible enough to support it financially.

As for marketing them....market to WHO?  You cant force people to like something, and the public (both mainstream AND people in the industry) do not accept the level achieved by the women...

anything else you need clarification on?

[chris10000]

As for marketing them....market to WHO?  You cant force people to like something, and the public (both mainstream AND people in the industry) do not accept the level achieved by the women...

maybe you and the ifbb cant
maybe because they didnt want to

i did

[Chick]

maybe you and the ifbb cant
maybe because they didnt want to

i did

Congratulations...

[bigmike99]

sure  ??
in which name did betty make this ?
the fbbs here didnt even know about...so for sure not in the name of the people she should speak

You mean the same Betty "I made my career and living being big now that I'm done I'll sell out the other FBB's"  Pariso.

[Chick]

You mean the same Betty "I made my career and living being big now that I'm done I'll sell out the other FBB's"  Pariso.

The sport Betty entered, and the sport it has become are two different worlds.  While she makes no excuses, and is proud of her accomplishments, she has seen things from many different perspectives over the years, one as a competing BB, one a contest prom oter, another as a representative of FBB...it's what FBB had devolved into that she hates, and is willing to take a stand.  She is not alone, as you ASSUME that all FBB are on board with the status quo, I can assure you as someone who talks and interacts with hundreds of them from all over, this isnt the case....

Many of them absolutely hate doing what they feel they have to do in order to compete, and find themselves in a no win senario....you would be surpised at the numbers who are on board, support the movement, and cant wait to gt off the gear, keep the femininity, and be able to enjoy training/ competing again...all the while, opening up a whole new world of potential sponsorships, magazine coverage, business, acceptance, etc...

[chris10000]

another as a representative of FBB...

she never was a representive

I can assure you as someone who talks and interacts with hundreds of them from all over,

no fbb with a little self respect talks to you since you made your comment about fbb in flex magazine

[Chick]

she never was a representive
no fbb with a little self respect talks to you since you made your comment about fbb in flex magazine

You keep telling yourself that, and I've had dozens of FBB applaud me for that article for ahving the balls to say what everyone  else was thinking...

Funny thing is, this new division doesnt really have anything to do with the FBBers....just a sign of the times, and a different direction.

[bigmike99]

The sport Betty entered, and the sport it has become are two different worlds.  While she makes no excuses, and is proud of her accomplishments, she has seen things from many different perspectives over the years, one as a competing BB, one a contest prom oter, another as a representative of FBB...it's what FBB had devolved into that she hates, and is willing to take a stand.  She is not alone, as you ASSUME that all FBB are on board with the status quo, I can assure you as someone who talks and interacts with hundreds of them from all over, this isnt the case....

Many of them absolutely hate doing what they feel they have to do in order to compete, and find themselves in a no win senario....you would be surpised at the numbers who are on board, support the movement, and cant wait to gt off the gear, keep the femininity, and be able to enjoy training/ competing again...all the while, opening up a whole new world of potential sponsorships, magazine coverage, business, acceptance, etc...

I'm as old as you and though not as involved as you Ive known many female bodybuilders as well.  We will see when these same bodybuilders you speak of go clean and shrink and have to share the stage with prettier girls with simular smaller bodies.  This new division is another beauty contest just with muscle.  

The women that know they are not the "pretty girls" will also find out quickly they dont stand a chance. One last thing, whats the harm of having a few pro women BB shows attached to the other shows and lower the prize money for them?  Base the prize money on the number of competitors that enter.  Have a formula based on entry.  

[chris10000]

Funny thing is, this new division doesnt really have anything to do with the FBBers....

I know... it was you who announced that it was dead... then jm saw the reaction he went back
and posted:

1) Fitness will be scored 2/3 Routine, 1/3 Physique.

‎2) Men’s Physique will begin in 2011 with an IFBB Professional League division in 2012. Men wear Board Shorts, are barefoot & will have a posing criteria & will come on stage individually & then brought out in groups. Any NPC promoter can have Men’s Physique with their competitions.

3) Women’s Physique will also begin in 2011, but will only be held with NPC national competitions. Tentatively starting with NPC Jr. Nationals then Team Universe, USA & Nationals. No local, state or regional competitions will have them in 2011. Also with an IFBB Professional League division in 2012. Details & rules still being worked out. But the competitors will be barefoot, no heels.

4) There will still be NPC Women’s Bodybuilding competitions.

[chris10000]

Betty should be the representive of the new class BUT SHE SHOULD BE REPLACED AS THE REPRESENTIVE OF FBB

[Chick]

i know...it was you who announced the dead...as jm saw the reaction he went back
and posted :

1) Fitness will be scored 2/3 Routine, 1/3 Physique.

‎2) Men’s Physique will begin in 2011 with an IFBB Professional League division in 2012. Men wear Board Shorts, are barefoot & will have a posing criteria & will come on stage individually & then brought out in groups. Any NPC promoter can have Men’s Physique with their competitions.

3) Women’s Physique will also begin in 2011, but will only be held with NPC national competitions. Tentatively starting with NPC Jr. Nationals then Team Universe, USA & Nationals. No local, state or regional competitions will have them in 2011. Also with an IFBB Professional League division in 2012. Details & rules still being worked out. But the competitors will be barefoot, no heels.

4) There will still be NPC Women’s Bodybuilding competitions.

At least get what I say correct, I said the numbers have deteriorated to the point that it (FBB) may infact, phase ITSELF out....

[MB]

You should do what we do when were at shows and dint care for whats going on on stage at a given time....shoot the shit, make the rounds, talk shop with the other pro's/ fans....no one is forcing you to sit there through countless hours of competition you have no interest in....GET UP, MOVE AROUND, have some fun with other fans and fellow people in the business...

If you want to solve this problem, stop combining men's and women's shows.  If bikini and the new physique division are so well liked and supported by the "industry", then they should be able to sell enough tickets to have their own show.  The women can have as many divisions as they like and no one will complain, except the FBB'ers who have no where to compete. 

[Chick]

If you want to solve this problem, stop combining men's and women's shows.  If bikini and the new physique division are so well liked and supported by the "industry", then they should be able to sell enough tickets to have their own show.  The women can have as many divisions as they like and no one will complain, except the FBB'ers who have no where to compete. 

They have some of those, at the NPC level...at the pro level, it has been tried. It's not realistic for a number of reasons...sponsors not wanting to spend twice the money to get to the same amount of people being one...

[MB]

They have some of those, at the NPC level...at the pro level, it has been tried. It's not realistic for a number of reasons...sponsors not wanting to spend twice the money to get to the same amount of people being one...

The Arnold still has the men and women separate.  You have to think of the fans at some point. 

[Chick]

The Arnold still has the men and women separate.  You have to think of the fans at some point.  

The Arnold and Olympia are exceptions for about a hundred reasons.... the EXPO has the vendors and the fans attending

[bigmike99]

If you want to solve this problem, stop combining men's and women's shows.  If bikini and the new physique division are so well liked and supported by the "industry", then they should be able to sell enough tickets to have their own show.  The women can have as many divisions as they like and no one will complain, except the FBB'ers who have no where to compete.  

Spot on. These guys know it will crash and burn but they want hot chicks around so instead they are are trying to get rid of the "non pretty" FBB's.

[MB]

The Arnold and Olympia are exceptions for about a hundred reasons....the EXPO has the vendors and the fans attending

The Olympia is no longer in the same league as the Arnold.  The Olympia has already sold out and combines men's and women's shows. 

[Chick]

The Olympia is no longer in the same league as the Arnold.  The Olympia has already sold out and combines men's and women's shows. 

Geez...thats too bad.

Oh well...here is a schedule for this coming ASC....enjoy!


Schedule of EventsThursday, March 3Friday, March 4Saturday, March 5Sunday, March 6Thursday, March 3, 2011Veterans Memorial7 p.m.
Arnold Amateur Fitness, Figure & Bikini Prejudging
AUDITORIUM
GENERAL ADMISSION - $25
 
Ticket And Other InformationEXPO Tickets. Adults: $10 per day in advance; $15 per day at the door. 10 years and under FREE if accompanied by an adult.
Admission includes total access to the Arnold Fitness EXPO March 4-6
Tickets available at www.ticketmaster.com/arnold
Tickets available at Greater Columbus Convention Center March 4-6.
Tickets available at Veterans Memorial March 3-6
Tickets available at Nationwide Arena Box Office on Sunday, March 6 only
NO STROLLERS ALLOWED
 
 
 
 

Friday, March 4, 2011Greater Columbus Convention Center8 a.m. – Noon
Arnold Amateur Strongman Competition
HALL C
8 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Arnold Strength Training Summit
All Day Registration
C210-216 (2nd Floor)
8 a.m. – 7 p.m.
USA Powerlifting Championships
Raw Challenge
E160s and E170s
8 a.m. – 10 p.m.
Gymnastics Challenge
Compulsory and Optional
HALLS E and F
8:30 a.m. – 4 pm
Art At The Arnold
Model Drawing and Painting
CONNECTOR BETWEEN CONVENTION CENTER and HYATT HOTEL
9 a.m. – 6 p.m.
CrossFit
GRAND BALLROOM

9 a.m. - 8 p.m.
Table Tennis Challenge
TERRACE BALLROOM (2nd Floor) and E160’s & E170’s
9 a.m. – 9 p.m.
Weightlifting Championships
Arnold International Weightlifting Invitational Masters
(All Sessions) & Open Division (Initial Sessions)
C110-C115

9 a.m. – 11 p.m.
Active Living Festival
Senior Olympic Table Tennis Finals, Pickle Ball and Fencing
Friday Night Dance Party 7 p.m. – 11 p.m
HYATT REGENCY BALLROOM (doors open at 8:30 am)
10 a.m. – 5:00 p.m.
CrossFit Kids
E150-151
10:30 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Arnold Fitness EXPO
Entertainment / Contests begin and continue throughout the day
Arnold Fitness EXPO STAGE
Armwrestling Preliminaries
All Classes 10:30 a.m. – Noon
Ms. International, Fitness International and Figure International Prejudging
Noon – 2 p.m.
Arnold Strongman Classic
2  p.m. – 5 p.m.
 
Noon – 7 p.m.
Cheerleading and Dance
Competitor Registration Noon – 3 p.m.
Competition 3 p.m. - 7 p.m.
BATTELLE GRAND
Noon – 8:45 p.m.
Arnold Fencing Classic
Wheelchair Events Noon – 2:30 p.m.
Veteran Events 4:30 p.m. – 8:45 p.m.
HYATT REGENCY (1st Floor near Food Court)
Noon – 10 p.m.
Boxing Championships / Martial Arts Festival / Arnold Grappling Championships
Martial Arts Registration Noon – 10 p.m. at Holiday Inn Downtown
Boxing Registration 5 p.m . – 9 p.m. at Holiday Inn Downtown
Grappling Registration 5 p.m. – 10 p.m. at Holiday Inn Downtown
Noon -- 3 p.m.
MMA Workshop
HALL C

Veterans Memorial
9 a.m. – 12 p.m.
Arnold Amateur Men's & Women's Bodybuilding Prejudging and Figure Masters Finals
AUDITORIUM
GENERAL ADMISSION - $25
9 a.m. – 9 p.m.
Archery Competition
Ohio NASP State Tournament
NORTH HALL
7 p.m.
Ms. International, Fitness International and Figure International Finals
AUDITORIUM
RESERVED SEATING -- $50 and $75
Arena Grand Movie TheaterTBD
Arnold Sports Film Festival
LC Pavilion8 p.m.
Amateur MMA Festival
DOORS OPEN AT 7 P.M. -- $30 thru $60
 
Ticket And Other InformationEXPO Tickets. Adults: $10 per day in advance; $15 per day at the door. 10 years and under FREE if accompanied by an adult.
Admission includes total access to the Arnold Fitness EXPO March 4-6
Tickets available at www.ticketmaster.com/arnold
Tickets available at Greater Columbus Convention Center March 4-6.
Tickets available at Veterans Memorial March 3-6
Tickets available at Nationwide Arena Box Office on Sunday, March 6 only
NO STROLLERS ALLOWED
 
 

Saturday, March 5, 2011
Greater Columbus Convention Center
7:30 a.m. – 8 p.m.
Boxing Championships / Martial Arts Festival / Arnold Grappling Championships (Adults)
Boxing and Martial Arts Registration 7:30 am Room C120
Competition begins at 9 a.m.
Grappling Registration 8 a.m. Room C122
Rules Meeting 10 a.m.
HALL C

8 a.m. – 4 p.m.
USA Powerlifting Championships
American Pro Invitational
E160s and E170s

8 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Arnold Strength Training Summit
Morning Registration
C210-216 (2nd Floor)

8 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Youth DanceSport Classic
Featuring: Competition between U.S. and Canadian
Dance Couples
HYATT REGENCY BALLROOM

8 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Cheerleading and Dance
Competitor Registration 8 a.m. – Noon;
Competition 8 a.m. – 6 p.m.
BATTELLE GRAND

8 a.m. – 8 p.m.
Table Tennis Challenge
TERRACE BALLROOM (2nd Floor) and E160’s & E170’s

8 a.m. – 8:30 p.m.
Arnold Fencing Classic
Regional Youth Circuit – Foil, Epee and Sabre
Cadet Open – Foil, Epee and Sabre
Try Fencing At The Arnold 11 a.m. – 4 p.m.
HYATT REGENCY – DELAWARE / FRANKLIN / UNION ROOMS

8 a.m. – 10 p.m.
Gymnastics Challenge
Compulsory and Optional; International
Athlete Exhibition and Opening Celebration at Noon
HALLS E and F

8:30 a.m. – 4 p.m.
Art At The Arnold
All Day Studio Work Session
CONNECTOR BETWEEN CONVENTION CENTER AND HYATT HOTEL

9 a.m. – 6 p.m.
CrossFit
GRAND BALLROOM

9 a.m. – 5 p.m.
CrossFit Kids
E150-151

 

9 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Arnold Fitness EXPO
Entertainment / Contests begin and continue throughout the day

Arnold Fitness EXPO Stage

Armwrestling Finals
9 a.m.  – 10 a.m.

Arnold Amateur Men’s & Women’s Bodybuilding, Fitness, Figure & Bikini Finals
10 a.m. – 1:30 p.m.

Cheerleading
1:30 p.m. – 1:45 p.m

Arnold Strongman Classic
1:45 p.m. – 4:45 p.m.

GNC Pro Performance International Deadlift Championship
4:45 p.m. – 6 p.m.

 

9 a.m. – 9 p.m.
Weightlifting Championships
Arnold Champions of Tomorrow – School Age and Junior Divisions (Initial Sessions)
Arnold International Weightlifting Invitational (FINALS)
Pan-Am Qualifier
C110-115

Veterans Memorial
9 a.m. – 6 p.m.
Skateboarding
Top Shop Contest and Blueprint Skateboards
Professional Demo
NORTH HALL

Noon – 2 pm
23rd Arnold Classic and Bikini International Prejudging
AUDITORIUM
RESERVED SEATING - $50

7 p.m. – 10 p.m.
23rd Arnold Classic and Bikini International Finals
Arnold Strongman Classic Finals
AUDITORIUM
RESERVED SEATING $50 and $100