Senators that were opposed to the Stim bill......

[Option D]

Should they be allowed to ask for money for their states?

[Lundgren]

Should they be allowed to ask for money for their states?

Yes, there paying for it either way should still get the product.

[Option D]

but what if they said "its a bad idea and wont create jobs" and then write the commerice folks asking for money saying "it will create jobs and stimulate the economy"....

[Lundgren]

but what if they said "its a bad idea and wont create jobs" and then write the commerice folks asking for money saying "it will create jobs and stimulate the economy"....

Obviously it will create jobs, its whether or not it will create more jobs than it destroys by taxation, that's not even a question.

A better question say your friends demand that you go out, you don't wanna would rather sleep with your girl, are forced to go along can't sleep would you not partake in the drinking in protest?

[BM OUT]

but what if they said "its a bad idea and wont create jobs" and then write the commerice folks asking for money saying "it will create jobs and stimulate the economy"....

Lets see,they passed the stimulus and we have lost 2 million jobs since it passed.So,those opposed were 100% correct.

If the government is passing out money,why should one state say no and screw their tax payers so some shit state like California can get their share?

[Soul Crusher]

Should they be allowed to ask for money for their states?

Yes. Their constituents will be paying the taxes for decades to pay for this crappola and should at least get something for this nonsense. 

[Option D]

Yes. Their constituents will be paying the taxes for decades to pay for this crappola and should at least get something for this nonsense. 

But how do they say it wont create jobs on first hand and then ask for money on the basis that it will create jobs

[BM OUT]

But how do they say it wont create jobs on first hand and then ask for money on the basis that it will create jobs

It doesnt create jobs,that has been proven.States took the money to pay down debt.

[Option D]

It doesnt create jobs,that has been proven.States took the money to pay down debt.

But what if it created 15k jobs

[Kazan]

But how do they say it wont create jobs on first hand and then ask for money on the basis that it will create jobs

Even if it does "create" a job it will be a temporary job. So what does that do? Pad the unemployment numbers for a few months, then what? Pass another stimulus so it looks like we are out of the recession.
Its nothing but a shell game, robbing peter to pay paul.

[Soul Crusher]

But how do they say it wont create jobs on first hand and then ask for money on the basis that it will create jobs

It creates a temporary faux job for a week or two and we still have all the debt.  

Let me explain it this way - lets say your apartment needs to be painted.  The painter will cost 10k to paint your apartment.  You are too lazy to do it yourself, so you hire the painter yet you don't have the cash to pay him.  He takes credit card though.   So you higher him at 10k to paint your apartment which will take a week.  You are happy since you got this guy to come in and paint, everything is clean and shiny, and the painter is gone.  

Now, however, that 10k is going to cost you probably 15k at least, and all you have to show for it is a paint job - nothing really new, nothing really lasting, only asmoke and mirrors for a short pweriod of time while you have to pay off the debt for decades all because you were unwilling to buite the bullett and roll up your sleeves and paint it yourself.


DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?      

[Option D]

Even if it does "create" a job it will be a temporary job. So what does that do? Pad the unemployment numbers for a few months, then what? Pass another stimulus so it looks like we are out of the recession.
Its nothing but a shell game, robbing peter to pay paul.

how do you know its temporary?

[Lundgren]

Lets see,they passed the stimulus and we have lost 2 million jobs since it passed.So,those opposed were 100% correct.

If the government is passing out money,why should one state say no and screw their tax payers so some shit state like California can get their share?

Are you fucking kiding me. The job losses expected when the crisis hit were much worst than have occured. The stimplan did create jobs, the question is how many jobs will be lost in the years to come, when the world economy recovers.

The money wasn't just to create jobs you simple fuck. It was to stabilize the global economy. Otherwise without any bailout the debt crisis in Europe would of hit much sooner, causing an even greater loss of jobs.
 The bailout is such a non partisan issue it's fucking basic. Every fucking country in the world had bailout plans, on the same proportions of obamas. My conservative PM did the same thing he's anti socialist as can be and were it great shape to weather the storm. You fucks gotta suck it up and stop complaining about neccesities.

IF you wanna complain about his healthcare plans go right ahead, or recent stim plan as of 2010. But anything he did in 2008 don't mean shit.  

[Kazan]

how do you know its temporary?

Once the money runs out how are they going to pay the person?

[Soul Crusher]

But what if it created 15k jobs

At what freaking cost?     So far we are averaging 200k per job at jobs that should cost a fraction of that at best.   This whole Stim Bill was perfect example of liberal stupidity on display.    

[Option D]

Once the money runs out how are they going to pay the person?

I thought (with some) it was to save/jumpstart business so after the money is out the business continues..

Like if i ask a bank for money to start my business and pay my employee. Well there will come a time when i dont need that money because my business is going.

[Soul Crusher]

I thought (with some) it was to save/jumpstart business so after the money is out the business continues..

Like if i ask a bank for money to start my business and pay my employee. Well there will come a time when i dont need that money because my business is going.

  

That is not where any of the money went - it went to african ball washing programs, propping up bloated state budgets, bridges to nowhere, and other crap with zero positive impact. 

Mal - I could give a whino at the local bar 867 Bill to blowna d he could have done a better job than this crap. 

[Option D]

 

That is not where any of the money went - it went to african ball washing programs, propping up bloated state budgets, bridges to nowhere, and other crap with zero positive impact. 

Mal - I could give a whino at the local bar 867 Bill to blowna d he could have done a better job than this crap. 

of the $800,000,000,000.00 how much went to african ball washing programs

[Soul Crusher]

of the $800,000,000,000.00 how much went to african ball washing programs

800k too much, but that is an example of how piss more this whole thing was designed and i said so from day 1! 

Only 4-10% was actual infrastructure and the rest was nonsense. 

By Obama's own measures of success the thing was a collosal waste of money. 

[Lundgren]

800k too much, but that is an example of how piss more this whole thing was designed and i said so from day 1! 

Only 4-10% was actual infrastructure and the rest was nonsense. 

By Obama's own measures of success the thing was a collosal waste of money. 

Yes but the nonsense did help to swell wallstreet, this is what all you retards fails to realize. Things were gonna get worst regardless, it was whether or not the rate could be slowed down. It bought us time and made it possible for the global crisis to not overcome commerce.

[Soul Crusher]

Yes but the nonsense did help to swell wallstreet, this is what all you retards fails to realize. Things were gonna get worst regardless, it was whether or not the rate could be slowed down. It bought us time and made it possible for the global crisis to not overcome commerce.

No, what you are failing to realize is that we have the debt to pay off for year to come for this crap sandwich since nothing is for free and now those that would have been laid off are going to be laid off next year, PLUS we will have the $1 Trillion in added debt with nothing to show for it. 

Please read a book for once. 

[Lundgren]

No, what you are failing to realize is that we have the debt to pay off for year to come for this crap sandwich since nothing is for free and now those that would have been laid off are going to be laid off next year, PLUS we will have the $1 Trillion in added debt with nothing to show for it. 

Please read a book for once. 

Of course nothings for free but the fact that people are getting layed off in 2010 instead of 2008 is massive. Even accounting for the debt. The global economy was in shambles, please get your head out of your asses. The price of oil dropped over 100 bucks per barrel in 2 months. Even if it's was overvalue dropping down to 30 bucks a barrel is insane. If you just don't get it. The social effects of announcing the bailouts alone made it work. If your an narrow minded economist you may not see that, however this hysteria could of been much more destructive than you will realize.

[Soul Crusher]

Of course nothings for free but the fact that people are getting layed off in 2010 instead of 2008 is massive. Even accounting for the debt. The global economy was in shambles, please get your head out of your asses. The price of oil dropped over 100 bucks per barrel in 2 months. Even if it's was overvalue dropping down to 30 bucks a barrel is insane. If you just don't get it. The social effects of announcing the bailouts alone made it work. If your an narrow minded economist you may not see that, however this hysteria could of been much more destructive than you will realize.

No - you are the one with your head up your ass, along with the other dolts on the left who don'tknow basic economics or math. 

We need to reset to reality - not phony stim bill, Keynsian voodoo which never works, and other crap that distorsts the economy to its true place. 

The Stim Bill was one of the worst wastes of money in my lifetime and we will have literallt ZERO to show for it, but for the TRILLION dollar debt for years to come. 

[Option D]

Was

$288bill for tax cuts
$275bill for stim
$233bill for entitlements

?

[Soul Crusher]

Was

$288bill for tax cuts
$275bill for stim
$233bill for entitlements

?

Whatever the case was - it was a complete failure and a flop.  There are no ways to spin this mess.  This was the first thing Obama and the dems did and it failed HORRIBLY! 

Just as will obamacare, cap & trade, card check, etc etc.