UFC 121 - Props to Cain Velasquez

[spinnis]

The Cain hype has begun now i see.

Before knocking out the shell of Nog nobody fought Cain had any striking or power, he got dropped by Congo countless times and looked less than stellar standing in his other fights and couldn't really finsih guys. He has potential and is getting very well rounded but lets not make out he is some monster standing.

You should take a look at my thread, Brock Verbally submitted, at least we won't see you making threads every two seconds about how tough this guy is.

He has zero fighting instinct, he gets hit and runs away.

Fedor and Overeem would clean knock Brock out and Carwin would probably do the same in a rematch.

Lol as I said, cain vs anyone else then lesnar I would root for cain.

And to say lesnar is not tough after the beateing he took from carwin is retarded. Hopefully he finds away to turn of that panic button, if not hes gonna have problem with great wrestlers that can strike. I dont see him loosing against any weak wrestlers though. If this fight was again mir for exampe again, mir would have ended up flat on his back right away and not being able to move.
Strong wrestler and great hands is his kryptonite.

[Rami]

lesnar simply gassed out. it took me a while personally to attain great stamina, this was only met through a better diet

lesnar's meat diet is good for size and strength but lacks for endurance and health

cain probably ate more bean meals , while eating with a more balanced approach your physique wont look all that ripped but you will have energy

Exactly! 

that's why Mexican-Americans have a longer life span that white Americans. They still eat their traditional foods. While whites are the biggest meat eaters.

[big14]

i think those flying knees gassed him he put his max effort in the first few seconds he just barely missed victory in the beginning. I think brock could beat him but brock is no dominater after a few minites in

Waddy
Who and what sport are you talking about?
Gassed after a few seconds?
You watched the fight? Or you just watched any Random Bob Sapp fight?
Why do you try to make theories if you never saw the fight or
know anything about the fighter?

[che]

It would put him in a better place than he is now, and possibly keep him from rolling into a ball when someone swings at him.

6 month  wouldn't change a thing  (defense ) , in 6 month he could improve his offense a little bit.

[Jaime]

Lol as I said, cain vs anyone else then lesnar I would root for cain.

And to say lesnar is not tough after the beateing he took from carwin is retarded. Hopefully he finds away to turn of that panic button, if not hes gonna have problem with great wrestlers that can strike. I dont see him loosing against any weak wrestlers though. If this fight was again mir for exampe again, mir would have ended up flat on his back right away and not being able to move.
Strong wrestler and great hands is his kryptonite.

He didn't take a beating. Marciano took beatings, Ali took beatings, real beatings, about 100 times what Brock took against far more dangerous punchers. Brock curled up in a ball and covered his head, slightly different.

Mir has absolutley abysmal wrestling, of course Brock would beat him again.

lol Cain doesn't have anything close to great hands, he got dropped about three times against Congo.

Brock is very similar to Mir actually, they get hit at all and they give up.

[spinnis]

He didn't take a beating. Marciano took beatings, Ali took beatings, real beatings, about 100 times what Brock took against far more dangerous punchers. Brock curled up in a ball and covered his head, slightly different.

Mir has absolutley abysmal wrestling, of course Brock would beat him again.

lol Cain doesn't have anything close to great hands, he got dropped about three times against Congo.

Brock is very similar to Mir actually, they get hit at all and they give up.

yeah brock gave up in the carwin fight and didn't come back and win...

This time he was hurt Badly though.

and carwin has great hands for mma.

[BIG_STI]

yeah brock gave up in the carwin fight and didn't come back and win...

This time he was hurt Badly though.

and carwin has great hands for mma.

So what about your hero bitching out on the bottom to herb?

[Jaime]

Carwin gassed. Brock curled up, Carwin punched his arms because under unified rules you can't stamp on peoples heads and gassed out.

Brock subbed out a corpse.

He gave up against Cain.

[spinnis]

So what about your hero bitching out on the bottom to herb?

he needs to be put in that situation in training so he doesn't panick
they are doing soemthing wrong.  thats the problem with having your Own facility everyone treats you like a god probably.

[Jaime]

he needs to be put in that situation in training so he doesn't panick
they are doing soemthing wrong.  thats the problem with having your Own facility everyone treats you like a god probably.

Him getting brain damage in sparring probably isn't a good idea.

He doesn't have heart, he isn't going to learn it.

[spinnis]

Carwin gassed. Brock curled up, Carwin punched his arms because under unified rules you can't stamp on peoples heads and gassed out.

Brock subbed out a corpse.

He gave up against Cain.

yes he gave up, thats why he didnt come back and win the fight  

[spinnis]

Him getting brain damage in sparring probably isn't a good idea.

He doesn't have heart, he isn't going to learn it.

they can do different stuff to put poeple in certian situations to work on the mental aspect

he at least needs to change things the fuck up.

[Mr Nobody]

Will you be changing your Avatar swede ?

[spinnis]

Will you be changing your Avatar swede ?

lol. hell no 

[Jaime]

yes he gave up, thats why he didnt come back and win the fight  

Curling up and offering nothing back is giving up. If he did that in boxing or k-1 the fight would be stopped, if he did it in the street he would be dead.

What round did he win in genius? He turtled Carwin gassed and then in the second round he subbed a corpse.

[spinnis]

Curling up and offering nothing back is giving up. If he did that in boxing or k-1 the fight would be stopped, if he did it in the street he would be dead.

What round did he win in genius? He turtled Carwin gassed and then in the second round he subbed a corpse.

he panicked then started punching back while he was on the ground and eventually got back up.

Giving up your back in mma when you're close to being ko'd is a good thing. leaves another option.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

I was hoping that flying knee would connect  that would have been gold lol.

in end brock still wins for sure,,,he gets more money win or lose than any fighter out there,,,last fight 4 million win or lose he wins,,,ha ha ha cain loses only getrs 80kk,,,,maybe

[spinnis]

in end brock still wins for sure,,,he gets more money win or lose than any fighter out there,,,last fight 4 million win or lose he wins,,,ha ha ha cain loses only getrs 80kk,,,,maybe

brock's already richer then anyone in the ufc though. but yeah hes the biggest draw win or lose

[chaos]

6 month  wouldn't change a thing  (defense ) , in 6 month he could improve his offense a little bit.

We'll have to disagree on that.

[Jaime]

they can do different stuff to put poeple in certian situations to work on the mental aspect

he at least needs to change things the fuck up.

Don't see it. Guys like Bruno used to do the same thing, of course not as bad as Brock...He never improved and he started training when he was a kid.

Instinct takes over and Brock has a bully mentality.

[che]

 

He doesn't have heart,

I usually agree with you Jaime  but  I   have to disagree here .

[che]

We'll have to disagree on that.

What , do you want to fight big guy ?

[spinnis]

Don't see it. Guys like Bruno used to do the same thing, of course not as bad as Brock...He never improved and he started training when he was a kid.

Instinct takes over and Brock has a bully mentality.

Brock has had that his entire life. but its gotten better after the illness so hopefully he understand what he needs to do in order to become better now, and NOT just go back to the same old people. be brought in barry and his striking did look better. but its not enough.

then again, who besides carwin/cain has a chance to beat brock in the ufc?

I WISH he would go to aka for a while. and actually train with cain. maby the only person that could help him improve Alot combined with cain's coaches ofc.

he has the money to bring in Anyone he wants. but he should go there for a while. I doubt it though

[chaos]

What , do you want to fight big guy ?

Second round TKO!

[Jaime]

I usually agree with you Jaime  but  I   have to disagree here .

Pride might be a better word. It's like the mexican fighters, you know that they will take their punishment like a man. I just don't percieve turning your back and turtling as a pridefull way to fight. I was watching Ali eating flush shots from Shavers the other day on youtube, it just seems like night and day.

You have to give him credit for coming in to mma, he didn't need to and he came back against Carwin, it's just the manner of it that i find disagreeable. If he would calm down with all the third person, toughest guy in thw world talk i wouldn't be so critical.