LANDSLIDE & TSUNAMI - GOP takes over 19 State Legislatures. Dems - ZERO.

[Straw Man]

Straw - the issue was that he ignored the economy for a year and a half in favor of health care, and in return, both got messed up royally. 

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what should have done for the economy that he didn't attempt to do

we know you were completely against the stim bill (as were the repubs - even though it was 40% tax cuts)

what should he have done instead

we're you the guy who said he shoudl do nothing and even admitted that your "do nothing" solution would have made unemployment and the economy even worse?

[Straw Man]

Ha ha ha -  GOP won a landslide last noght in the house and state govts as a rejection of the far left crap and you still cling to that nonasense? 

Last measure - 20% classify themselves as lib and at least 40% as conservatives. 

You buy into this false narrative as told to you by MSNBC at your peril.  no one wants the crap being sold by the far left Straw other than NY, CA and maybe MA. 

I'm not buying anything

this Repub win was forecasted almost from the moment Obama won in 2008

Now it's time for the Repubs to show us what they can do

What do you think they will do to stimulate the economy and create jobs?

[Soul Crusher]

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what should have done for the economy that he didn't attempt to do

we know you were completely against the stim bill (as were the repubs - even though it was 40% tax cuts)

what should he have done instead

we're you the guy who said he shoudl do nothing and even admitted that your "do nothing" solution would have made unemployment and the economy even worse?

First off - he should have completely shelved his agenda like Card Check, Cap & trade, and obamacare.  

Second - he should not have emboldended the EPA to go wild against private industry.  

Third - he should have fought for re-instatement of bush tax cuts.  

Fourth - he should have included far more private sector business people in the cabinet.  

Fifth - he should have done a payroll tax holiday at least, not a stupid credit through the stim bill  

Sixth - he should have made the cap purchashes amortaization plan permanent.  


straw - i can think of at least 100 things he should have done.    
 

[dario73]

where have you been the last 2 years?

Dems never had a filibuster proof majority and the Repubs have shattered the record for filibuster in the last 2 years

They had it in 2009 when Specter switched. Which is why Keb Brown's victory was considered important in order to take it away. Fine they didn't have it for 4 years they had it for a year.

Either way, they had the majority to do whatever they wanted. They showed that by ramming through health care despite Brown. People want health care, just not Obama's version of it. What don't you understand?  Should they just accept any crap handed it to them by the Dems?

[dario73]

Dems pushed through any legislation they wanted. They own it.  The nation knew this and made them pay.  Period.

When a party has the presidency, Senate and House of Representatives and the nation continues on a downward spiral despite all the measures said party has implented, then that party doesn't get to make excuses.  Eventhough Dems and their supporters want to make excuses and blame the Reps the fact is THEY FAILED.

Now, the Reps have the House. IF the Dems and Obama become a constant roadblock to anything the Reps try to do, more Dems will be escorted out of the political arena in 2012.

[Straw Man]

First off - he should have completely shelved his agenda like Card Check, Cap & trade, and obamacare.  

Second - he should not have emboldended the EPA to go wild against private industry.  

Third - he should have fought for re-instatement of bush tax cuts.  

Fourth - he should have included far more private sector business people in the cabinet.  

Fifth - he should have done a payroll tax holiday at least, not a stupid credit through the stim bill  

Sixth - he should have made the cap purchashes amortaization plan permanent.  


straw - i can think of at least 100 things he should have done.    
 

good - lets see if the Repubs do some of those things and then if they don't create any jobs they will be the ones to blame

I'll support anyone who can actually improve the economy

[Straw Man]

Dems pushed through any legislation they wanted. They own it.  The nation knew this and made them pay.  Period.

When a party has the presidency, Senate and House of Representatives and the nation continues on a downward spiral despite all the measures said party has implented, then that party doesn't get to make excuses.  Eventhough Dems and their supporters want to make excuses and blame the Reps the fact is THEY FAILED.

Now, the Reps have the House. IF the Dems and Obama become a constant roadblock to anything the Reps try to do, more Dems will be escorted out of the political arena in 2012.

well most of the problems still exist only the Repubs have a much more stablized situation than what Obama had

let's see what they do with it

[MCWAY]

where have you been the last 2 years?

Dems never had a filibuster proof majority and the Repubs have shattered the record for filibuster in the last 2 years

Are you smoking that sticky green, again?

The Dems had a supermajority for at least six months. That's why we ended up with ObamaCare, in the first place.

[Straw Man]

Are you smoking that sticky green, again?

The Dems had a supermajority for at least six months. That's why we ended up with ObamaCare, in the first place.

dems didn't have a super majority in the Senate

anyway - it's all the Repubs now

I'm looking forward to their solutions

[Soul Crusher]

dems didn't have a super majority in the Senate

anyway - it's all the Repubs now

I'm looking forward to their solutions

Dems still hold the senate Straw. 

[MCWAY]

dems didn't have a super majority in the Senate

anyway - it's all the Repubs now

I'm looking forward to their solutions

Yes they did. Why do you think that, when Scott Brown won the Mass. Senate seat, the crowd was chanting "41!! 41!! 41!!"?

Because, HE was the 41st GOP senator, thus keeping the Dems from having the supermajority.

[Straw Man]

Yes they did. Why do you think that, when Scott Brown won the Mass. Senate seat, the crowd was chanting "41!! 41!! 41!!"?

Because, HE was the 41st GOP senator, thus keeping the Dems from having the supermajority.

even before that they didn't have it because a few people were out and essentially not voting and a few dems voted with the Repubs.

They never had a solid or workable super majority

If they did we wouldn't have a watered down health care bill

[Soul Crusher]

even before that they didn't have it because a few people were out and essentially not voting and a few dems voted with the Repubs.

They never had a solid or workable super majority

If they did we wouldn't have a watered down health care bill

Straw - did it ever dawn on you the legislation and bills themselves royally SUCK! 

[MindSpin]

Cap & Trade also needs to be buried.  

You're always going off about cap & trade.  I'm not too familiar with this topic other than knowing that it is an attempt to reduce pollution by putting a cap on it.  Companies that come in under the cap can sell their credits to companies that are unable to.  Does that about sum it up?  What's the big deal

[Grape Ape]

I'm not buying anything

this Repub win was forecasted almost from the moment Obama won in 2008

?  James Carville didn't think so.  I don't remember that being the mood at the time either.  Do you have any specific links to anything?

[Grape Ape]

You're always going off about cap & trade.  I'm not too familiar with this topic other than knowing that it is an attempt to reduce pollution by putting a cap on it.  Companies that come in under the cap can sell their credits to companies that are unable to.  Does that about sum it up?  What's the big deal

Our energy costs go way up for one.  Not sure, but I also believe that the trading of credits goes on a special market that GS makes a bazillion dollars off.

[Soul Crusher]

You're always going off about cap & trade.  I'm not too familiar with this topic other than knowing that it is an attempt to reduce pollution by putting a cap on it.  Companies that come in under the cap can sell their credits to companies that are unable to.  Does that about sum it up?  What's the big deal

Are you kidding?  Serious?  If you don't know the details of this bill - than you should forever be banned from ever saying shit to me.  I have posted endlessly how horrific this thins thing is and if at this stage you are that uninformed - shame on you.  

SHIT - EVEN DEMOCRATS ARE IN REVOLT OVER CAP & TRADE

[Soul Crusher]

You're always going off about cap & trade.  I'm not too familiar with this topic other than knowing that it is an attempt to reduce pollution by putting a cap on it.  Companies that come in under the cap can sell their credits to companies that are unable to.  Does that about sum it up?  What's the big deal

You really need to wake the hell up and start getting better informed.

Serious - if you are that uninformed on this issue - no wonder you still support this Admn.  Nothing personal - but really - are you that uninformed? 

 

 

[Straw Man]

Our energy costs go way up for one.  Not sure, but I also believe that the trading of credits goes on a special market that GS makes a bazillion dollars off.

It was also originally a Republican idea

Classic example of how Repubs propose something and Dems attempt to cooperate (bipartisan anyone) and then when the Dems are on board the Repubs are suddenly against it

There are many examples of this - including the Stim Bill which included 40% tax cuts to appease the Repubs yet not one Repub voted for it (yet same douche bag Repubs had no problems with handing out the money in their states and taking credit for any job creation)

Should have taken those 40% of tax cuts and spent in on infrastructure instead

[Soul Crusher]

It was also originally a Republican idea

Classic example of how Repubs propose something and Dems attempt to cooperate (bipartisan anyone) and then when the Dems are on board the Repubs are suddenly against it

There are many examples of this - including the Stim Bill which included 40% tax cuts to appease the Repubs yet not one Repub voted for it (yet same douche bag Repubs had no problems with handing out the money in their states and taking credit for any job creation)

Should have taken those 40% of tax cuts and spent in on infrastructure instead

Straw - conservatives hate the RINOs who propose these schemes.  as for the tax matters in the Stim Bill - I agree with you.   We would have gotten a far better return on our money if we did mostly infrastructure as opposed to the tax crap in the stim bill, which was meaningless by and large.   

[Straw Man]

Straw - conservatives hate the RINOs who propose these schemes.  as for the tax matters in the Stim Bill - I agree with you.   We would have gotten a far better return on our money if we did mostly infrastructure as opposed to the tax crap in the stim bill, which was meaningless by and large.   

tax cuts were there in an attempt at bipartisanship yet got zero Republican votes.

I said from the first day of the Obama Admin that they should not waste their time with Repubs

Repubs put party before country and always will

All they got for their efforts was watered down legislation that didn't please the people who put him in office and was used as a weapon by the opposition

[240 is Back]

Cap & Trade also needs to be buried. 

Some top republican leaders have said they support capping emissions...












 

Sorry, I almost let a day go by without mentioning Palin

[Soul Crusher]

tax cuts were there in an attempt at bipartisanship yet got zero Republican votes.

I said from the first day of the Obama Admin that they should not waste their time with Repubs

Repubs put party before country and always will

All they got for their efforts was watered down legislation that didn't please the people who put him in office and was used as a weapon by the opposition

The tax cuts were not really meaningful to stimulate anything or really make a difference, and the Infrastructure stuff was too small and scattered.  

In the 1930's and 1950's we got he Hoover Dam & interstate highway.    What did we get out of this?  

[Kazan]

I saw two guys working on the street with a giant sign that said the job was part of the stimulus

[Straw Man]

The tax cuts were not really meaningful to stimulate anything or really make a difference, and the Infrastructure stuff was too small and scattered.  

In the 1930's and 1950's we got he Hoover Dam & interstate highway.    What did we get out of this?  

just like all tax cuts

if you give me a tax cut I keep it or maybe spend it on something but if I own a company it doesn't in any way motivate me to higher an employee or create a job.

The whole tax cuts = stimulus is a canard and the Repubs know it