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What's the value of a song? Jammie Thomas-Rasset has spent the last few years in court debating that question. The Minnesota mother of four is being penalized for illegally downloading and sharing 24 songs on the peer-to-peer file-sharing network Kazaa in 2006, but how much she owes the record labels has been in question. The jury in her third trial has just ruled that Thomas-Rasset should pay Capitol Records $1.5 million, CNET reports, which breaks down to $62,500 per song. It's a heavy penalty considering the 24 tunes would only cost approximately $24 on iTunes, which was Thomas-Rasset' argument, too.


Thanks to Thomas-Rasset's colorful case, she has become the public face of the record industry's battle with illegal downloaders. In her first trial, in 2007, the jury demanded she pay $222,000 for violating the copyright on more than 1,700 songs by Green Day, Aerosmith and Richard Marx, to name a few. (Marx said he was "ashamed" to be associated with the "farcical" prosecution of an illegal downloader.) Thomas-Rasset maintained she wasn't the computer user who did the file sharing, and her legal team cited an error in jury instruction to secure a second trial in 2009 that ended with a much harsher result: an astronomical fine of $1.92 million. However, earlier this year a U.S. District Court judge found the $1.92 million penalty against Thomas-Rasset to be "monstrous and shocking" and "gross injustice" before lowering it to $54,000, or $2,250 a song. Thomas-Rasset and her legal team decided to appeal that decision, too.

The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the organization that represents the four major record labels, was pleased by the most recent decision, even if it has no intention to collect the $1.5 million from Thomas-Rasset. "Now with three jury decisions behind us along with a clear affirmation of Ms. Thomas-Rasset's willful liability, it is our hope that she finally accepts responsibility for her actions," the RIAA said in a statement. Earlier this year, the RIAA offered Thomas-Rasset the opportunity to end the legal battle for $25,000 and an admission of guilt; Thomas-Rasset declined.

Burying a Midwestern mom in insurmountable debt isn't the best publicity move, so rather than argue the labels are entitled to the cash, the RIAA has sought to make this trial into a cautionary tale for anyone considering illegally downloading music -- a reminder that there are penalties. But as the constantly declining weekly Nielsen SoundScan sales figures demonstrate, nothing seems to have deterred music fans from stealing rather than purchasing songs and albums. And in a digital world now dominated by Bit Torrent and Rapidshare, a trial over a music-sharing dinosaur like Kazaa seems nothing but antiquated. (Last month, after a decade of illegal file sharing, peer-to-peer service LimeWire was shut down by the government, much to the surprise of the millions who thought LimeWire had faded years ago into the Internet ether.)

Still, Thomas-Rasset and her legal team are already making plans to appeal, setting the stage for a fourth trial. "The fight continues," promised Thomas-Rasset's lawyer Kiwi Camara. Even if Thomas-Rasset were to win the next trial, the RIAA would likely appeal that decision to ensure that copyright infringement without penalization won't happen. This story has the potential to drag on well into the next decade -- when for $1.5 million, all of Thomas-Rasset's four kids could finish law school and take up the fight on her behalf.


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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 05:09:37 PM »
disgraceful going after an individual like this.

they will have blood on their hands and as a result itll open up massive holes for others to abuse.

i can only see it backfiring.

only in the US.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2010, 07:02:57 PM »
Good luck getting the money.
Makes you wan to smack Capital Records for "proving a point".
They should be lucky anyone buys most music today.  Start producing some quality musicians/songwriting...there's a free tip.
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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 05:35:24 AM »


extremely excessive fine though, no way about it.  why not just make her pay what they would have cost in the first place? (a dollar a song or so?). it also said they may have no intention of actually collecting the fien, so any point they may be attempting to make seems , well, pointless.

funny though how they try to portray her as just some innocent 'midwestern mom' who just wanted a few songs. lol 1700 illegal downloads.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 05:40:38 AM »
i dont understand what she did that called her to the attention of the music industry., hundreds of thousands, maybe more, were downloadin songs from P2P sites


how did they single her out?

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 05:40:58 AM »
Good luck getting the money.
Makes you wan to smack Capital Records for "proving a point".
They should be lucky anyone buys most music today.  Start producing some quality musicians/songwriting...there's a free tip.
The record companies and Congress are trying to make radio stations and or listeners pay to play songs...trying to end Free Radio...meaning that radio station you listen to has to pay the record companies to play their songs...

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 05:43:43 AM »
if she would had only downloaded the songs, there wouldnt have a problem.

but she did put the song to a fileshare server ....that was the crime

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 05:49:27 AM »
A life destroyed, and "legally".

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 05:52:44 AM »
i dont understand what she did that called her to the attention of the music industry., hundreds of thousands, maybe more, were downloadin songs from P2P sites


how did they single her out?

I'd say they pick random people to drive home the idea that everyone is at risk of being held accountable for their piracy.  

France just passed a pretty strict law regarding internet piracy and a lot of other countries have legislation making its way towards legalization.

This doesn't really bother me. We all know we're stealing a product when we pirate it off a torrent or site.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 06:04:12 AM »
I'd say they pick random people to drive home the idea that everyone is at risk of being held accountable for their piracy.  

France just passed a pretty strict law regarding internet piracy and a lot of other countries have legislation making its way towards legalization.

This doesn't really bother me. We all know we're stealing a product when we pirate it off a torrent or site.
Whatever nut job fuck the  hell off.
This is straight up legal facism. We freak out when some guy gets locked away in Iran for advocating for a revolution, we bury a mother in debt for listening to green day. LOl

You just proved your a fucking austistic retard. Nobody thinks this shit's a crime, no more than using the word "Ipod(wihtout paying)" is a crime. Fuck man I can'teven belive your saying this stupid shit.

Music shouldn't be copyrightable in 2010 it's that simple you might get my support with movies but music fuck no.  It dosen't even make logical sense.
If there was a dividing line between free music, and label music, and it couldn't be blurred with demo songs etc, free music would dominate pop culture in decade.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2010, 06:05:58 AM »
Whatever nut job fuck the  hell off.
This is straight up legal facism. We freak out when some guy gets locked away in Iran for advocating for a revolution, we bury a mother in debt for listening to green day. LOl

You just proved your a fucking austistic retard. Nobody thinks this shit's a crime, no more than using the word "Ipod(wihtout paying)" is a crime. Fuck man I can'teven belive your saying this stupid shit.

Music shouldn't be copyrightable in 2010 it's that simple you might get my support with movies but music fuck no.  It dosen't even make logical sense.
If there was a dividing line between free music, and label music, and it couldn't be blurred with demo songs etc, free music would dominate pop culture in decade.

not surprised a guy who won't pay his bills doesn't think it's stealing..... ;D

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2010, 06:07:32 AM »
Whatever nut job fuck the  hell off.
This is straight up legal facism. We freak out when some guy gets locked away in Iran for advocating for a revolution, we bury a mother in debt for listening to green day. LOl

You just proved your a fucking austistic retard. Nobody thinks this shit's a crime, no more than using the word "Ipod(wihtout paying)" is a crime. Fuck man I can'teven belive your saying this stupid shit.

Music shouldn't be copyrightable in 2010 it's that simple you might get my support with movies but music fuck no.  It dosen't even make logical sense.
If there was a dividing line between free music, and label music, and it couldn't be blurred with demo songs etc, free music would dominate pop culture in decade.

Dude does your university offer some sort of Logic class/philosophy course? Perhaps something along those lines will be beneficial.

what's austistic:-\

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2010, 06:08:38 AM »
Whatever nut job fuck the  hell off.
This is straight up legal facism. We freak out when some guy gets locked away in Iran for advocating for a revolution, we bury a mother in debt for listening to green day. LOl

You just proved your a fucking austistic retard. Nobody thinks this shit's a crime, no more than using the word "Ipod(wihtout paying)" is a crime. Fuck man I can'teven belive your saying this stupid shit.

Music shouldn't be copyrightable in 2010 it's that simple you might get my support with movies but music fuck no.  It dosen't even make logical sense.
If there was a dividing line between free music, and label music, and it couldn't be blurred with demo songs etc, free music would dominate pop culture in decade.
 
So, are saying that a artist shouldn't  be able to have their music copywritten, and a artist shouldn't be compensated for making music? So, basically a artist is making music for free, but shouldn't get paid? Is that what you advocate?

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2010, 06:10:21 AM »
So, are saying that a artist should be able to have their music copywritten, and a artist shouldn't be compensated for making music? So, basically a artist is making music for free, but shouldn't get paid? Is that what you advocate?

Seems to be.  Perhaps stores shouldn't charge for their wares, we should just pick out what we want and walk off with it.....or restaurants, etc...

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2010, 06:14:55 AM »
Seems to be.  Perhaps stores shouldn't charge for their wares, we should just pick out what we want and walk off with it.....or restaurants, etc...

Perhaps Lundren would rather get fingered in the Arse, as opposed to paying for muscle to load his pink 2nd generation ipod.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 06:18:08 AM »
Whatever nut job fuck the  hell off.
This is straight up legal facism. We freak out when some guy gets locked away in Iran for advocating for a revolution, we bury a mother in debt for listening to green day. LOl

You just proved your a fucking austistic retard. Nobody thinks this shit's a crime, no more than using the word "Ipod(wihtout paying)" is a crime. Fuck man I can'teven belive your saying this stupid shit.

Music shouldn't be copyrightable in 2010 it's that simple you might get my support with movies but music fuck no.  It dosen't even make logical sense.
If there was a dividing line between free music, and label music, and it couldn't be blurred with demo songs etc, free music would dominate pop culture in decade.

Nice meltdown. Given the fact that you think you shouldn't have to pay any loans you take out, I can't say it's surprising that you have no qualms when it comes to other forms of stealing

That said, with your dyslexia (code for stupidity), you don't have to worry about producing any product that will be liable to getting stolen.

Stick to shirking loans and leeching benefits, scumbag.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2010, 06:18:57 AM »
Seems to be.  Perhaps stores shouldn't charge for their wares, we should just pick out what we want and walk off with it.....or restaurants, etc...
Exactly, imagine a woman at Victoria's Secret..."oh, this looks nice..." and she takes 10 of them, then goes down to Wicked Temptations...and takes about 5 see thru bras...

Then goes to Kohl's and gets 5 dresses, "whew, shopping is quite hard!"

Lungredisgod needs to realize, nothing in life is free, not even pussy.
And for artists not be compensated for their work...he needs to imagine himself as a artist, how are you gonna eat, pay your bills, pay for instruments, etc if you are not paid?

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2010, 06:22:52 AM »
Exactly, imagine a woman at Victoria's Secret..."oh, this looks nice..." and she takes 10 of them, then goes down to Wicked Temptations...and takes about 5 see thru bras...

Then goes to Kohl's and gets 5 dresses, "whew, shopping is quite hard!"

Lungredisgod needs to realize, nothing in life is free, not even pussy.
And for artists not be compensated for their work...he needs to imagine himself as a artist, how are you gonna eat, pay your bills, pay for instruments, etc if you are not paid?

He's just young and stupid.....maybe he will grow out of it.....

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2010, 06:23:38 AM »
He's just young and stupid.....maybe he will grow out of it.....

I seriously doubt it.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2010, 06:25:47 AM »
I seriously doubt it.

What country is he from Iceland?


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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2010, 06:26:32 AM »
Lungredisgod needs to realize, nothing in life is free, not even pussy.
And for artists not be compensated for their work...he needs to imagine himself as a artist, how are you gonna eat, pay your bills, pay for instruments, etc if you are not paid?
But this is a bullshit arguement, the artist make fuck off all. Except for the very few. You guys  don't understand how the industry works. They have a monopoly and they produce sub par music.

The bulk of there costs go into promotion, which is pointless, as it's more about hyping something than actaully spread good music, the other half is making albums are more expensive than there worth(lady gag) whatever.

Free music would be much better off in a band that made it's income on touring, instead of making fuck all with a label. Again 99 percent of bands spend most of their record sales spent on promotion and other acts that can't hold their own weight.  



I love the whole notion that you somehow no more about the music industry than me I know alot of people in the local industry.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2010, 06:26:58 AM »
What country is he from Iceland?



can't be....most of the Icelanders I met were very bright and informed..... ;D

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2010, 06:27:59 AM »
Seems to be.  Perhaps stores shouldn't charge for their wares, we should just pick out what we want and walk off with it.....or restaurants, etc...

not exactly. a song isn't tangible. If you 'illegally' download a song. The artist doesn't lose anything.

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2010, 06:28:05 AM »
What country is he from Iceland?



He claims Newfoundland but I thought ASJ_Chaotic lived near Avesher in western Canada.

But this is a bullshit arguement, the artist make fuck off all. Except for the very few. You guys  don't understand how the industry works. They have a monopoly and they produce sub par music.

The bulk of there costs go into promotion, which is pointless, as it's more about hyping something than actaully spread good music, the other half is making albums are more expensive than there worth(lady gag) whatever.

Free music would be much better off in a band that made it's income on touring, instead of making fuck all with a label. Again 99 percent of bands spend most of their record sales spent on promotion and other acts that can't hold their own weight.  



I love the whole notion that you somehow no more about the music industry than me I know alot of people in the local industry.

Hahahahaha, so now you're a music expert? I've seen your "expert" opinion on other subjects. You are a retard.

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Re: Minnesota Mom Hit With $1.5 Million Fine for Downloading 24 Songs
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2010, 06:29:24 AM »
not exactly. a song isn't tangible. If you 'illegally' download a song. The artist doesn't lose anything.

Not following....if you paid to download the song, the artist would receive compensation, right?  So if you download illegally, without paying, the artist would be out the money.....or am I missing something?