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one more thing.........i know whole foods have vitamins shakes dont have , so say you take a milti or whatever


and decide to drink all your protein in the form of shakes........jsut to simplify things

you know, like 6 50g protein shakes a day of a respect supplement companies whey

will you be absorbing the same amount of that protein as if those were 6 50g chicken brests?

Yes you will and that's another myth. People will say that you can only absorb so much protein at "one time" but the body does not abosrb protein at one time it absorbs it "over time". For example let say it will take you 60 minutes to digest 25 grams of protein. Then it would take about 120 minutes to absorb 50 grams. Serge Nubret used to eat one huge meal a day at night when he got home from training and that meals consisted of roughly 5 pounds of horse meat and some rice and beans. That's an ungodly amount of protein to eat at one time, but do you really think that he was only absorbing roughly 50 or so grams of that meal? It took hours to digest that meal and all of it got absorbed. Where the hell else was it going? Also, remember he was still in a calorie deficient state or he would not have been losing fat.

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Mostsources of protein digest at a rate of about  3-10 grams per hour... Slowly increasing in grams/hour over time until it's fully digested. Wheyprotein is absorbed the fastest at 10 grams per hour.

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Mostsources of protein digest at a rate of about  3-10 grams per hour... Slowly increasing in grams/hour over time until it's fully digested. Wheyprotein is absorbed the fastest at 10 grams per hour.

It also depends on how many carbs you are eating with your protein source. Also I seriously doubt it takes up to 30 hours to digest 100 grams of protein from a food source.

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It also depends on how many carbs you are eating with your protein source. Also I seriously doubt it takes up to 30 hours to digest 100 grams of protein from a food source.
probably wouldn't, as I said the process speeds up as it goes on. But that is the base rate of absorption for proteins, and a large quantity of a slower digesting source like red meat could easily take a full day or more to completely digest so ling as there wasn't a bunch of fiber pushing it out of the digestive tract before it could get fully absorbed

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Horse meat and some Equipony = you will look like a price winning race horse.  :D


will you be absorbing the same amount of that protein as if those were 6 50g chicken brests?

Google PDCAAS. Milk proteins are very well absorbed, so powders wouldn't go to waste. Chicken and milk proteins both get a 100% rating according to this scoring method.

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There is no reason to lose muscle while dieting, that is a myth. In fact you can gain muscle while still losing fat I've done it a million times.

Do you think the 'eat what you want' day has a lot do with your clients gaining muscle when prepping?

It's why DiPasquale's original Anabolic Diet and Lyle McDonald's UD2.0, for example, are effective for gaining muscle while losing fat. Deficit fat burning mode for 5 or so days and then a day or two rebound/muscle gain phase.

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Munzer used to eat horse meat..

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i still think eating horse meat is creepy

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Hey, horse meat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy mothe rfu cker.

We'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherfuckin' horse. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Mr. Ed, you know what I'm sayin'?  ;D

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seems Stavios likes "horse meat"

no homo  ;D

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Think about this logically. You assuming that you "lost" something else because you lost some body fat. First of all forget about what you "feel" like and worry about what you look like. I've heard this complaint a million times. Doing slin will make you "feel" fuller, but it will not in the long run make you look better or make your muscles "POP" when you flex. Right now you are not thinking too straight because of your paranoia about getting small. The best thing that you can do rite now is to do the exact diet that you were doing to lose fat and slowly add calories proportionately with your macros. This will fill you out some and make you "feel" better not only physically but mentally. Forget the slin!
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Jim,

I have two questions, if you don't mined?

1. Is there any diffrent betwen eating evey 5 hours, comparing to 3 hours?

I plan to eat every 5 hours and most my meal are soldmeal...

2. how long betwen pre-workout and training you have?

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Think about this logically. You assuming that you "lost" something else because you lost some body fat. First of all forget about what you "feel" like and worry about what you look like. I've heard this complaint a million times. Doing slin will make you "feel" fuller, but it will not in the long run make you look better or make your muscles "POP" when you flex. Right now you are not thinking too straight because of your paranoia about getting small. The best thing that you can do rite now is to do the exact diet that you were doing to lose fat and slowly add calories proportionately with your macros. This will fill you out some and make you "feel" better not only physically but mentally. Forget the slin!

Maybe... Don't know I just look like shit at the moment.

It's not really a paranoia about getting small, because I know I am not even a big guy in the first place, it's just that my physique doesn't look like it usually does when dieting.



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Maybe... Don't know I just look like shit at the moment.

It's not really a paranoia about getting small, because I know I am not even a big guy in the first place, it's just that my physique doesn't look like it usually does when dieting.




maybe you gotta re-evaluate your diet then bro?

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maybe you gotta re-evaluate your diet then bro?

yeah I think I cut the carbs too much the last 2 weeks.

but anyway, I am doing a clean bulk until january, it was already planned to give me a fresher look and to make it easier on my mind.

then I will have 5 months to diet from an already lean state to super ripped  :D

I am also trying to find a good source to buy human grade stuff for this prep, but it seems like every website I check in there are 50% people saying it's great and 50% people saying they got scammed

 :-\

and human grade stuff here in montreal is ridiculous, 15-20$ per amp of testosterone

fuck that shit



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yeah I think I cut the carbs too much the last 2 weeks.

but anyway, I am doing a clean bulk until january, it was already planned to give me a fresher look and to make it easier on my mind.

then I will have 5 months to diet from an already lean state to super ripped  :D

I am also trying to find a good source to buy human grade stuff for this prep, but it seems like every website I check in there are 50% people saying it's great and 50% people saying they got scammed

 :-\

and human grade stuff here in montreal is ridiculous, 15-20$ per amp of testosterone

fuck that shit





15-20 a fucking amp........why are you still lettig yourself get ripped off by gym dealers

unless your in a big steroids area, where there are a lot of users and dealers competing for them......your gonna get ripped off by your local guy



find a solid internet source, there are plenty of them........and have the shit delievered

the guys your buying from at the gym are only middel men themselves..........it goes from the internet supps.........to them.......to you

why pay to get middled?

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yeah I think I cut the carbs too much the last 2 weeks.

but anyway, I am doing a clean bulk until january, it was already planned to give me a fresher look and to make it easier on my mind.

then I will have 5 months to diet from an already lean state to super ripped  :D

I am also trying to find a good source to buy human grade stuff for this prep, but it seems like every website I check in there are 50% people saying it's great and 50% people saying they got scammed

 :-\

and human grade stuff here in montreal is ridiculous, 15-20$ per amp of testosterone

fuck that shit




I just looked at your diet.

Maybe you should try playing around with your macros. Seems like you dont have much fat in there. Maybe try to take some carbs out and add some meals with fat in there.

Ive found that when ive added a decent amount of fat in my diet its actually filled me out in a way that carbs dont.

Play around with your macros a bit before you do anything else! I bet you'll find your answer there !

Good luck brother!

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15-20 a fucking amp........why are you still lettig yourself get ripped off by gym dealers

unless your in a big steroids area, where there are a lot of users and dealers competing for them......your gonna get ripped off by your local guy



find a solid internet source, there are plenty of them........and have the shit delievered

the guys your buying from at the gym are only middel men themselves..........it goes from the internet supps.........to them.......to you

why pay to get middled?

I don't pay those prices, I by UGL shit (yeah i know it sucks)

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I plan to start doing this for 8 weeks before starting my prep for the show in may, since I am already pretty lean for this far out.

Why ?

Because I feel flat, thin and "scrawny" and I feel my physique have no pop after losing a lot of bodyfat already.
so I want to get back my fullness, gain 2-3 lbs of muscle if possible , and I also feel it will help my body "relax" so when I drop the carbs a bit after that, drop the slin and add the ECA, the bodyfat will melt easily


-6am: 1 cup oats, 8 egg whites

training

-8am:
20iu of Insulin
100 grams of carbs
45 gr protein


10h30:
1 bagel
45gr protein

13h00:
 4 slices of ezekiel bread
8 oz lean ground beef

17h00:
8 oz horse meat
2 slices of ezekiel bread
illimited green veggies

22h00:
8 oz horse meat
illimited green veggies          

I will also lower the t4 dose to 50 mcg, and I am dropping the ephedra I am using at the moment.
right now I am taking 2 cc of test 400 per week (I suspect it is very underdosed tho because I normally get bitch tits from 800mg of legit test) and 400 mg of tren enanthate per week.
I will up those but probably pregressivly because I want to keep upping the doses right up to the show and obviously I am not going to takt 5g of gear per week.



please tell me what you guys think of this plan, I do not want to gain any fat so it's simply a mild mass gaining phase before the real contest prep

it's a funny thing how you and i are alike in this regard- the flattening out part. i have to be careful cause i flatten out easily for sure. nothing is worse than being flat when your dieting, and still holding fat cause you look like shit and its a total mind fuck. lol

k. i guess the first question i'll ask is are you using GH? this matters because you can increase your caloric intake considerably and still stay relatively tight, and it's important if your going to be using slin. my advise is that you don't use inulin without the GH. there is something really magical about the combination, and on slin alone the magic i found for myself to be overrated. yeah i gained weight, but how much was fat? i'd say quite a bit of it. now, with GH in the picture, you can make significant gains between now and when you start your prep. 8iu 6 times a week (you'll go thru 2 kits a month) and you will not believe how much your body will change in 3 months. plus that combination of Test and Tren is sick- my favourite by far- you can make substantial gains between now when you start your prep- if you do it right you don't need a lot of gear for your show- im on 500mg ew of karachi sust, and taking 400 mg of tren enan as well, and feel godly as im just going into my third week after a almost 5 month lay off, but i am attributing a lot of that to the fullness i am getting from the GH.

all this being said, being in the shape you are now is half the battle of going into a prep. you know the better shape your in, the more muscle you'll hold and not need to drive thru a hellish prep to get that fat off, so i wouldnt think you want to get too far off this mark. if GH isnt an answer you can afford cause the shit isnt cheap, then id suggest this, because what i'd do on GH, and what i'd do off in this matter are two totally different things:

take the diet your going to be running thru your prep, not in terms of the food items necessarily but the amounts of marcos and increase the carbs slightly. just add in say a cup of rice a day (uncooked measure), split up over 3-4 meals (i love rice- it doesnt bloat me ). stick with it for 3-4 days- you wont feel it right away and you should find you've got that fullness back you've wanted without taking in a shit load of calories that your body doesnt need or want and that your now left with to burn off. i think you'd be pretty amazed what adding in a few grams of carbs over and above what your doing now will do without swapping out the whole thing and adding in 1000-2000 cals you dont need will do for you. try it for a week. religiously. you've got 8 weeks before the prep, so spend a week trying it. if it doesnt work, which i think it will, come back and we'll take another look. i dont think you need such a drastic overhaul, especially with a show coming up. you're where you want to be, you just a need a minor adjustment, and a complete swap out. don't let your head start fucking with you. it'll be so much easier to transition into your prep like this, than getting your body used to one thing, changing it for 8 weeks, then changing it again.
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What's wrong with horse meat? ???

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What's wrong with horse meat? ???

I like it because it's cheap, it tastes just like ground beef exept it's a bit "dryer"


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it's a funny thing how you and i are alike in this regard- the flattening out part. i have to be careful cause i flatten out easily for sure. nothing is worse than being flat when your dieting, and still holding fat cause you look like shit and its a total mind fuck. lol

k. i guess the first question i'll ask is are you using GH? this matters because you can increase your caloric intake considerably and still stay relatively tight, and it's important if your going to be using slin. my advise is that you don't use inulin without the GH. there is something really magical about the combination, and on slin alone the magic i found for myself to be overrated. yeah i gained weight, but how much was fat? i'd say quite a bit of it. now, with GH in the picture, you can make significant gains between now and when you start your prep. 8iu 6 times a week (you'll go thru 2 kits a month) and you will not believe how much your body will change in 3 months. plus that combination of Test and Tren is sick- my favourite by far- you can make substantial gains between now when you start your prep- if you do it right you don't need a lot of gear for your show- im on 500mg ew of karachi sust, and taking 400 mg of tren enan as well, and feel godly as im just going into my third week after a almost 5 month lay off, but i am attributing a lot of that to the fullness i am getting from the GH.

all this being said, being in the shape you are now is half the battle of going into a prep. you know the better shape your in, the more muscle you'll hold and not need to drive thru a hellish prep to get that fat off, so i wouldnt think you want to get too far off this mark. if GH isnt an answer you can afford cause the shit isnt cheap, then id suggest this, because what i'd do on GH, and what i'd do off in this matter are two totally different things:

take the diet your going to be running thru your prep, not in terms of the food items necessarily but the amounts of marcos and increase the carbs slightly. just add in say a cup of rice a day (uncooked measure), split up over 3-4 meals (i love rice- it doesnt bloat me ). stick with it for 3-4 days- you wont feel it right away and you should find you've got that fullness back you've wanted without taking in a shit load of calories that your body doesnt need or want and that your now left with to burn off. i think you'd be pretty amazed what adding in a few grams of carbs over and above what your doing now will do without swapping out the whole thing and adding in 1000-2000 cals you dont need will do for you. try it for a week. religiously. you've got 8 weeks before the prep, so spend a week trying it. if it doesnt work, which i think it will, come back and we'll take another look. i dont think you need such a drastic overhaul, especially with a show coming up. you're where you want to be, you just a need a minor adjustment, and a complete swap out. don't let your head start fucking with you. it'll be so much easier to transition into your prep like this, than getting your body used to one thing, changing it for 8 weeks, then changing it again.

Great advices bro !
yeah I don't think I will be usnig HGH, it will all be depending on my bonus I am getting at work in 2 weeks ! ( I SHOULD be getting 5 000$, but with all the taxes and shit I am affraid I won't even have 3 k  >:()
The diet I wrote above for the bulking plan, is pretty much the same diet I started to diet with at around the 230 lbs mark (I had already lost 20 lbs before that... yeah I was fucking fat :D)

I will try the slin, only because I am already lean and the diet is clean, but after 2 weeks if I feel it bloats me too much I will drop it.

usually if I eat clean on it, I don't get fat even if I eat more calories than in the diet above.

hard to say, my body is responding SO differently than it did 2 years ago, or even 1 year ago.
usually I could get away with eating a lot more food , I am getting old  ;D

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Do you think the 'eat what you want' day has a lot do with your clients gaining muscle when prepping?

It's why DiPasquale's original Anabolic Diet and Lyle McDonald's UD2.0, for example, are effective for gaining muscle while losing fat. Deficit fat burning mode for 5 or so days and then a day or two rebound/muscle gain phase.


I think that this is def a part of it. My guys would lose about 2 to 3 pounds a week on the scale and never lose any size. I never understood why guys got all concerned about this. Some would gain as much as 11 pounds that day after a cheat day, but would still be at least 2 pounds lighter by Fri.  My diet methods are different and I got criticized about them for years but they worked. I think that Mario had it wrong because he never really seemed to care that much about calorie restriction and you have to lower the calories the leaner you get.

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Man...horse meat WTF?

Why not mix in some dolphin and "long-pig"   :-X