Natural bodybuilding is a joke

[DK II]

How are you so sure here?  Pretty much all your gains are from drugs, correct?
Putting on more than 5-7lbs of muscle a year naturally, is very difficult.  If not impossible, to my experience.  However, making a substantial muscle gain the first few years with a sound diet, it very probable.  After that big increase in mass, you should only see a few pounds lean gain per year...for me anyway.

I think naturals also don't aim to be 240lbs ripped, that would be ridiculous.

So the gains you can make as a natural are quite ok, sure it takes more time than with drugs, but natural gains also don't vanish over night like steroid gains.

[Jaime]

they mistaken true lesan size with water and fat which are part of the muscle diameter,,1.5 inch on arm is unheard of naturally ,,truly naturally after 15 years training ,,hell not even after 15 months lol

its just a pump,,and sometimes 1/2 inch here and there of water fat and little muscle blown from within ,,but it goes as fast as it comes,,


by the way hormones are same thing,,goes as fast as it comes,,

6-12 months you lose everything no matter who you are if not on hormones and not in the gym

gh15 approved

Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking girl it is unreal.

My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.

You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.

Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs...

[backday]

Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking #girl it is unreal.

My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.

You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.

Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs...

Ouch     

[MCWAY]

knock it off.  i put on 8 lbs this weekend, and it was all gone by tuesday morning.

i think he meant muscle.

21 lbs in three months, especially in your younger years, is definitely possible. I'd say that about 60% of what I gained was muscle (roughly 13 lbs), back then. And that was at age 22, just a year older than Makaveli was. Trust me! NOBODY thought I was fat in the least. Truth be told, some of my friends thought I was taking anabolics, when I came home for the summer.

Almost NOBODY puts on pure muscle, on a consistent basis. Why do you think bodybuilders have an "off-season"? Even if they use steroids, they still put on some muscle and some fat.

The problem with folks like you is that you think you're going to put on just lean muscle, all the time. That ain't happening.

[MCWAY]

But you have Jesus divinely intervening on your behalf...

It appears you forgot the 11th commandment: Thou shalt eat massive calories and and drink much weight gainer to gain size.

 

[gh15]

Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking #girl it is unreal.

My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.

You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.

Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs...

retard,,read  the bible ,,i hav egiven you here bible in the last 6 years that every bodybuilder has read so every new fucktard should nto even refer to me until they read it,,now i did train naturally for 4 years before went on hormones ,,but since my second competition till i got pro card till today  waas one big cycle LIKE EVERY OTHER BODYBUILDER!

your 60 year old daddy keep on nothing he keep on original shape that natural can have if train which  also unkeepable if nto training and at age 60 even if training is doutbtful,,because at age 60 your life start fallin apart physically and EVERY HUMAN IS THIS WAY!,,look the fuck around you 90% of yoru americanos are on viagra and cialis at those ages and way before how sad it is?? do you see it in other countries?? onlyh in americana at age 60 you cant even lift your cock because of the abuse of drugs that go on your life all through your 20s 30s 40s etc,,

you know nothing ,,you have no clue to how much of a lair the so called natural bodybuilder is ,,you have no clue to how much they buy and that they actually buy more than the admitted hormonized but only respond worse ,,

i love it when natural get busted and they do ,,you just never hear about it because they were nothing to write home about but oh they been busted

now go back to yoru cats,,

dismissed

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[gh15]

21 lbs in three months, especially in your younger years, is definitely possible. I'd say that about 60% of what I gained was muscle (roughly 13 lbs), back then. And that was at age 22, just a year older than Makaveli was. Trust me! NOBODY thought I was fat in the least. Truth be told, some of my friends thought I was taking anabolics, when I came home for the summer.

Almost NOBODY puts on pure muscle, on a consistent basis. Why do you think bodybuilders have an "off-season"? Even if they use steroids, they still put on some muscle and some fat.

The problem with folks like you is that you think you're going to put on just lean muscle, all the time. That ain't happening.

20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,


if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )

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[YngiweRhoads]

20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,


if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )

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I agree with you for once. 21lbs of lean muscle in 3 months? Not happening naturally.

[Boost]

Unless you have incredible genetic shape,

most guys look like garbage unless they're lean.

I mean, would anyone want to look like the following guys?

Bloated, red faces, not a vein in sight, no thanks.

[MCWAY]

20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,


if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )

gh15 approved

You, Mr. Identity Crisis (Have you decided yet, if you're a top-10 male of FEMALE IFBB pro bodybuilder, yet?), haven't taken anything from me or anyone else, for that matter.

Plus, it appears you can't read. I never claimed I put on 21 pounds of lean muscle in three months. My guess was that about 60% of my gains were lean mass, hardly 16 lbs of "pure lard".

I agree with you for once. 21lbs of lean muscle in 3 months? Not happening naturally.

Once again, I NEVER CLAIMED I put on 21 lbs of lean muscle in three months. In fact, I've stated repeatedly that, when you're going for size, usually about half of what you put on will be fat.

But, in the grand scheme of things, if you need raw size, it works out quite well. The reason most people whine about not making any substantial gains is because they think every pound they gain has to be pure muscle. That is almost impossible, EVEN IF YOU DO TAKE STEROIDS.

Bottom line: I don't whine about my genetics, or listen to buffoons like GH15. I simply do the best I can with what I have. So far, the results have been better than I could have hoped, back in the day.

[YngiweRhoads]

Bottom line: I don't whine about my genetics, or listen to buffoons like GH15. I simply do the best I can with what I have. So far, the results have been better than I could have hoped, back in the day.

Same here.

I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.

[gh15]

Same here.

I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.

lol thats what macfly here dont get,,yes you can add even 50 pounds ,,some guys can do it ,,but its not muscle,,maybe 10% of it is muscle 15% if your natural gh and test is really high  and it only happen at 18-22,,

what mcfly really gained was about 17 pounds of lard and 4 pounds of muscle blown from within which at this age is respectable and while some guys at this age gain 2 pound he probably gain 4-5 pound in 3-4 months and thought he was a bodybuilder lol

N A T U R A L limit = 7 pound per yer PER YER PER YEAR and also only first few years,,ask skippi or even better ask willet 

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[MCWAY]

Same here.

I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.

I certainly don't miss the volume of food I had to eat, to get over 200 lbs, back then. Eating/drinking 5000+ calories gets laborious quickly.

But, my goal was to get to 200. Since I got there ahead of schedule, I decided to see if I could put on a few more pounds. I ended up at 210, by semester's end.

[MCWAY]

lol thats what macfly here dont get,,yes you can add even 50 pounds ,,some guys can do it ,,but its not muscle,,maybe 10% of it is muscle 15% if your natural gh and test is really high  and it only happen at 18-22,,

what mcfly really gained was about 17 pounds of lard and 4 pounds of muscle blown from within which at this age is respectable and while some guys at this age gain 2 pound he probably gain 4-5 pound in 3-4 months and thought he was a bodybuilder lol

N A T U R A L limit = 7 pound per yer PER YER PER YEAR and also only first few years,,ask skippi or even better ask willet  

gh15 approved

17 lbs. of lard and 4 pounds of muscle? I don't think so. Even the guys who trained at the same gym were complimenting me for how much larger and stronger I was getting. And, when I got home that summer, my friends and family were surprised.

The choice is simple: You can either go for it, get your diet and training down and push yourself. Or you can listen to Mr. Identity Crisis as he/she decides which gender of a bodybuilder he/she wants to be today (while he fails to use his Speak-and-Spell properly) and feel sorry for yourself.

[Jaime]

retard,,read  the bible ,,i hav egiven you here bible in the last 6 years that every bodybuilder has read so every new fucktard should nto even refer to me until they read it,,now i did train naturally for 4 years before went on hormones ,,but since my second competition till i got pro card till today  waas one big cycle LIKE EVERY OTHER BODYBUILDER!

your 60 year old daddy keep on nothing he keep on original shape that natural can have if train which  also unkeepable if nto training and at age 60 even if training is doutbtful,,because at age 60 your life start fallin apart physically and EVERY HUMAN IS THIS WAY!,,look the fuck around you 90% of yoru americanos are on viagra and cialis at those ages and way before how sad it is?? do you see it in other countries?? onlyh in americana at age 60 you cant even lift your cock because of the abuse of drugs that go on your life all through your 20s 30s 40s etc,,

you know nothing ,,you have no clue to how much of a lair the so called natural bodybuilder is ,,you have no clue to how much they buy and that they actually buy more than the admitted hormonized but only respond worse ,,

i love it when natural get busted and they do ,,you just never hear about it because they were nothing to write home about but oh they been busted

now go back to yoru cats,,

dismissed

gh15 approved

You don't know anything about natural training. You don't know what the limits are or how the body works in that enviroment.

You are just another loser with shit genetics, whose insecurity issues forced them in to the shitty lifestyle you currently live.

The fact that you say things such as "no gains on arms after 15 months" or "that you lose everything after you stop training for a few months", goes some way to substantiating the fact that you are an imbecile.

Keep crying about the impending apocalypse you mental cripple.

[gh15]

You don't know anything about natural training. You don't know what the limits are or how the body works in that enviroment.

You are just another loser with shit genetics, whose insecurity issues forced them in to the shitty lifestyle you currently live.

The fact that you say things such as "no gains on arms after 15 months" or "that you lose everything after you stop training for a few months", goes some way to substantiating the fact that you are an imbecile.

Keep crying about the impending apocalypse you mental cripple.

in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol


lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics  so you dont always look like a bloated fuck

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[Deicide]

in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol


lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics  so you dont always look like a bloated fuck

gh15 approved

Like I said, I have gotten stronger but not bigger...I just accept it, no point in juicing for me.

[Jaime]

in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol


lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics  so you dont always look like a bloated fuck

gh15 approved

There is something getting lost in translation here. There is no way in hell that you have maxed out after fifteen month in regards to gaining that ammount of lean muscle.

Certain things i agree with you on, such as weight parameters and drug protocalls et cetera but other aspects i completely disagree as i have first hand experience that contradicts your view points.

As i say, perhaps it is a lack of first hand experince on your part.  You are clearly well informed wehn it comes to drug assisted training. Stick to what you know motherfooker.