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I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« on: November 18, 2010, 05:38:23 AM »
  Vadim Finkelstein is truly a piece of shit of titanic proportions. Apparently, Fedor's next fight will be on New Year's eve against some unknown 160 lbs Japanese fighter. At this point, seriously, I just wish that Fedor would retire in embarassment and go away. He will still be the greatest MMA fighter ever to me, but he is shaming himself so badly by following a defeat by fighting some little unknown fighter. Beating such a fighter is just as bad as losing. I wish something could smack some sense into Fedor and make him realize that his very legacy right now is in jeopardy. Fedor's mystique as the invincible super-god of fighting will never be retrieved but he can still go down as the greatest ever by far by either retiring right now or brutally ass-raping Werdum in a rematch then beating two maybe three top heavyweights in dominating fashion and then retiring. If Fedor fights this guy, his legacy is done to me. Idiot fucker....

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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 10:48:13 AM »
Finally!  That's just how I feel.  This guy is supposed to be the greatest fighting beast ever, and he's fukcing around with a bunch of no-name washed up fighters.  He needs to fight Overeem & Barnett an then go into the UFC and fight Mir --> Lesnar --> JDS --> Cain.  That's it...6 fights to get some SERIOUS cash and cement his legacy.  It will never happen tough...oh well.
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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 02:29:11 PM »
  Vadim Finkelstein is truly a piece of shit of titanic proportions. Apparently, Fedor's next fight will be on New Year's eve against some unknown 160 lbs Japanese fighter. At this point, seriously, I just wish that Fedor would retire in embarassment and go away. He will still be the greatest MMA fighter ever to me, but he is shaming himself so badly by following a defeat by fighting some little unknown fighter. Beating such a fighter is just as bad as losing. I wish something could smack some sense into Fedor and make him realize that his very legacy right now is in jeopardy. Fedor's mystique as the invincible super-god of fighting will never be retrieved but he can still go down as the greatest ever by far by either retiring right now or brutally ass-raping Werdum in a rematch then beating two maybe three top heavyweights in dominating fashion and then retiring. If Fedor fights this guy, his legacy is done to me. Idiot fucker....

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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 06:18:33 PM »
Finally!  That's just how I feel.  This guy is supposed to be the greatest fighting beast ever, and he's fukcing around with a bunch of no-name washed up fighters.  He needs to fight Overeem & Barnett an then go into the UFC and fight Mir --> Lesnar --> JDS --> Cain.  That's it...6 fights to get some SERIOUS cash and cement his legacy.  It will never happen tough...oh well.

  Here is where we disagree. If I were Fedor and all I cared was money, I wouldn't even have gone to Affliiction and then Strikeforce. I would have just stayed in Japan fighting cans in exchange for millions. Fedor is almost a living god in Japan, and they are willing to pay millions to watch him fight. Do you have any idea how much he made to fight Hong Man Choi? You make it seem like the UFC is Fedor's best financial option, which it is not. He could have continued to have independent fights against cans organized by former PRIDE staff, like the Hong Man Choi fight, and become a millionaire. I don't know if Fedor remains a god to the Japs now that he lost, but even after his loss I belive he would still make more money as a free lancer in Japan. Now, this is not about money but about his legacy. The Fedor that dominated brutallly Nogueira in his prime and the Fedor that got caught and submitted in embarassing fashion by Werdum are two fundamentally different fighters. I believe that Fedor doesen't want to end his career with such a humiliation. Methinks he wants his fans to remember him as the 2005 Fedor and the only way for him to do that is to beat Werdum in dominant fashion and then win the UFC heavyweight belt, or at least defeat Werdum. Fedor is about redemption at this point I believe.

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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 08:54:59 AM »
How much did he make to fight Hong Man Choi?
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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 11:10:27 AM »
How much did he make to fight Hong Man Choi?

  From what I've heard, it was over U.S $ 1 million. Compare this to Carwin who made a net U.S $ 30,000 when he fought Lesnar. I doubt the UFC would pay him over a million for a single fight, and that is including pay-per-view money.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 11:43:00 AM »
 From what I've heard, it was over U.S $ 1 million. Compare this to Carwin who made a net U.S $ 30,000 when he fought Lesnar. I doubt the UFC would pay him over a million for a single fight, and that is including pay-per-view money.

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Okay, so please don't take this the wrong way, but you are absolutely CLUELESS!  First of all, the Japanese fighting opportunities may have been there 5-10 years ago, but they are not there today.  Have you been keeping on what's been happening?  The reason Fedor came to Affliction and then StrikeForce, is because Japanese MMA is not what it once was.  

That said, I'm sure you are aware that Fedor's contract with Affliction became public record during the lawsuit right?  Fedor was getting $300,000 per fight.  M1 was getting $1.2 million per fight.  Fedor owns 10% of M1, so in Affliction Fedor was getting $420,000 per fight.  There was a bunch of other clauses in there, which did not compensate Fedor, but put more money in Finkelstein's pocket.  

The UFC was willing to pay Fedor more than any other fighter in it's roster.  This included the PPV % as well as fight & win bonuses.  They wanted a minimum 3 fight deal that allowed him to continue to compete in Sambo.  Fedor would have been making about $400,000 to fight, plus a win bonus plus 3%-5% of the PPV.  That's over $2.5 million per fight.  But, the real money would have been in his endorsement deals.  Fighting in the UFC gives fighters the opportunity to charge a lot more for endorsement deals.  Guys like Rampage, GSP, Anderson, etc. get $500,000+ plus for wearing their logo hats, t-shits, shorts, etc.  There was no better financial deal for Fedor than the UFC.  But, Finkelstein was getting cut out of it, so it didn't happen.  Now that he lost, the UFC will not be offering anything close to that.    
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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 11:57:14 AM »
Okay, so please don't take this the wrong way, but you are absolutely CLUELESS!  First of all, the Japanese fighting opportunities may have been there 5-10 years ago, but they are not there today.  Have you been keeping on what's been happening?  The reason Fedor came to Affliction and then StrikeForce, is because Japanese MMA is not what it once was.  

That said, I'm sure you are aware that Fedor's contract with Affliction became public record during the lawsuit right?  Fedor was getting $300,000 per fight.  M1 was getting $1.2 million per fight.  Fedor owns 10% of M1, so in Affliction Fedor was getting $420,000 per fight.  There was a bunch of other clauses in there, which did not compensate Fedor, but put more money in Finkelstein's pocket.  

The UFC was willing to pay Fedor more than any other fighter in it's roster.  This included the PPV % as well as fight & win bonuses.  They wanted a minimum 3 fight deal that allowed him to continue to compete in Sambo.  Fedor would have been making about $400,000 to fight, plus a win bonus plus 3%-5% of the PPV.  That's over $2.5 million per fight.  But, the real money would have been in his endorsement deals.  Fighting in the UFC gives fighters the opportunity to charge a lot more for endorsement deals.  Guys like Rampage, GSP, Anderson, etc. get $500,000+ plus for wearing their logo hats, t-shits, shorts, etc.  There was no better financial deal for Fedor than the UFC.  But, Finkelstein was getting cut out of it, so it didn't happen.  Now that he lost, the UFC will not be offering anything close to that.    

It isn't about amount per fight, Dana even stated that he would match anything the competition could offer.

The big sticking point is that Fedor (M1) currently retains all DVD sales in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Chechnya  etc  Basically all of the former soviet states.
Dana won't allow M1 this concession so there is the deal breaker. 

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 09:52:47 AM »
It isn't about amount per fight, Dana even stated that he would match anything the competition could offer.

The big sticking point is that Fedor (M1) currently retains all DVD sales in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Chechnya  etc  Basically all of the former soviet states.
Dana won't allow M1 this concession so there is the deal breaker. 

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Re: I Gota Give It To Mindspin.
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 08:41:05 AM »
Okay, so please don't take this the wrong way, but you are absolutely CLUELESS!  First of all, the Japanese fighting opportunities may have been there 5-10 years ago, but they are not there today.  Have you been keeping on what's been happening?  The reason Fedor came to Affliction and then StrikeForce, is because Japanese MMA is not what it once was.  

That said, I'm sure you are aware that Fedor's contract with Affliction became public record during the lawsuit right?  Fedor was getting $300,000 per fight.  M1 was getting $1.2 million per fight.  Fedor owns 10% of M1, so in Affliction Fedor was getting $420,000 per fight.  There was a bunch of other clauses in there, which did not compensate Fedor, but put more money in Finkelstein's pocket.  

The UFC was willing to pay Fedor more than any other fighter in it's roster
.  This included the PPV % as well as fight & win bonuses.  They wanted a minimum 3 fight deal that allowed him to continue to compete in Sambo.  Fedor would have been making about $400,000 to fight, plus a win bonus plus 3%-5% of the PPV.  That's over $2.5 million per fight.  But, the real money would have been in his endorsement deals.  Fighting in the UFC gives fighters the opportunity to charge a lot more for endorsement deals.  Guys like Rampage, GSP, Anderson, etc. get $500,000+ plus for wearing their logo hats, t-shits, shorts, etc.  There was no better financial deal for Fedor than the UFC.  But, Finkelstein was getting cut out of it, so it didn't happen.  Now that he lost, the UFC will not be offering anything close to that.    

Thats not true they were prepared to match Brocks pay