Tom Brady = Best QB EVER.....Yes even better than Manning...

[King Shizzo]

you're the numbers guy, right? i mean, thats how you like to argue, using stats.

compare the records set by tom brady and brett favre, then get back to me.

thanks for coming out.

brady was the beneficiary of the system in new england. its a plug and play.

end of story.

Favre has lost more important games for his team than winning them.  Also, ask Dan Marino if stats mean as much as winning the big one.

[Doug_Steele]

of course we are a little biased.  I'm gonna go with my boy Brady cause I'm a die-hard Pats fan. Just like a Colts fan would take Manning.  Fact is you can't go wrong with either of them. Tom Brady is this era's Joe Montana without the hall of fame teammates.[/quote]

Future Pro Bowlers for thye Colts

Indy - Dallas Clark
Reggie Wayne
Edgerrin James
Marvin Harrison
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Jeff Saturday

Future Pro Bowlers for the Pats

Ty Law
Logan Mankins - maybe
Randy Moss
Mike Vrabel - hate to even think that he will get in but maybe.
Matt Light.  

[King Shizzo]

you're the numbers guy, right? i mean, thats how you like to argue, using stats.

compare the records set by tom brady and brett favre, then get back to me.

thanks for coming out.

brady was the beneficiary of the system in new england. its a plug and play.

end of story.

hey no one,   so does that make Joe Montana,lor Steve Young beneficiaries of thier systems as well?  You could argue that the west coast offense  surrounded by hall of famers would qualify as plug and play.  If you dislike Brady thats fine,  but bottom line he will go down as one of the best ever. PERIOD.

[body88]

you're the numbers guy, right? i mean, thats how you like to argue, using stats.

compare the records set by tom brady and brett favre, then get back to me.

thanks for coming out.

brady was the beneficiary of the system in new england. its a plug and play.

end of story.

Ok, I've compared the two, at this point, over the same amount of time in the NFL, Brady's numbers are about ten times better. Literally every stat. Please show me how I am wrong.

What exactly is this system you are talking about? How does it work? How is it different than every other coaches system? If it was just a system, Brady should have 50 td's to 8 int's every year. It should be easy to duplicate the best season by any qb ever. Again, please explain this system to me. Was Joe Montana a product of the west coast offense? How about Steve Young?

End of story? I think you're a full of shit hater and you can't get into a real conversation with me because you dont know what the fuck you're saying.

Ps: Why did this so called system not work for Belichick in Cleveland?

[King Shizzo]

of course we are a little biased.  I'm gonna go with my boy Brady cause I'm a die-hard Pats fan. Just like a Colts fan would take Manning.  Fact is you can't go wrong with either of them. Tom Brady is this era's Joe Montana without the hall of fame teammates.[/quote]

Future Pro Bowlers for thye Colts

Indy - Dallas Clark
Reggie Wayne
Edgerrin James
Marvin Harrison
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis
Jeff Saturday

Future Pro Bowlers for the Pats

Ty Law
Logan Mankins - maybe
Randy Moss
Mike Vrabel - hate to even think that he will get in but maybe.
Matt Light.  

the only one making the Hall of Fame on that list is Moss,  and he only played 3 years for them.

[Doug_Steele]

the only one making the Hall of Fame on that list is Moss,  and he only played 3 years for them.

Ty Law should make it. 

[Doug_Steele]

These guys might get in also.

Troy Brown, Willie McGinest, Tedi Bruschi and Richard Seymour might get in also. 

[King Shizzo]

Ty Law should make it. 

he was definately one of my favs on those great pats teams.  They might not make the Hall, but guys like Mcginnest, Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour, Law, Vrabel were the glue on those Dynasty teams

[body88]

These guys might get in also.

Troy Brown, Willie McGinest, Tedi Bruschi and Richard Seymour might get in also. 

There is no question Brady's talented defense helped him win titles...just like Manning's talented offense and dome helped him win his mvp's and put up big numbers. My point, all this shit cancels itself out.

Facts are facts.

There are arguments to be made for both guys as the best of their generation. I happen to prefer Brady, but can see how someone else might prefer Manning.

[King Shizzo]

Facts are facts.

There are arguments to be made for both guys as the best of their generation. I happen to prefer Brady, but can see how someone else might prefer Manning.

QFT.  End of discussion.

[body88]

Shizzo,

Weird this system Belichick has didn't work for him in Cleveland. My point, yes belichicks system is great, but you need the horses to run it or it wont work!

Brady (like Manning and other greats) is able to recognize and decipher a defense much faster than 99% of qb's. That is what seperates good from great, period. Manning, Farve, Brady, Montana...they all come from great "systems".  The reason they are hof level players is because of their smarts, their instincts, their leadership skills and their ability to read react and execute FASTER than average or good qb's.

[Soul Crusher]

I challenge anyone to argue that...

You want to bang him? 

[King Shizzo]

Shizzo,

Weird this system Belichick has didn't work for him in Cleveland.

Here is the truth: It takes a great system and great players to execute that system to win. The reason Belichick's system didn't work in Cleveland is because he didn't have the players who could execute it. Brady (like Manning and other greats) is able to recognize and decipher a defense much faster than 99% of qb's. That is what seperates good from great, period. Manning, Farve, Brady, Montana...they all come from great "systems".

yeah only morons bash great players by trying to lesson thier accomplishments.  I think Belichick actually did a good job with what he had in cleveland. If I remember correctly, before he left he had the Browns in the playoffs.  I remember the Browns beating the Pats in the playoffs one year as well.  Where the hell have the Browns been  since Belichick left?

[tallgerman]

I think its funny how the media totally ignores brady at least ehre in  los angeles.

That dunce manning has all kinda commercials despite looking retatrded and talking like a soviet after a bottle of absolute

[King Shizzo]

I think its funny how the media totally ignores brady at least ehre in  los angeles.

That dunce manning has all kinda commercials despite looking retatrded and talking like a soviet after a bottle of absolute

Trust me, Brady could have all of Mannings endorsements if he wanted.  He isn't that type of guy.

[body88]

yeah only morons bash great players by trying to lesson thier accomplishments.  I think Belichick actually did a good job with what he had in cleveland. If I remember correctly, before he left he had the Browns in the playoffs.  I remember the Browns beating the Pats in the playoffs one year as well.  When the hell have the Browns been  since Belichick left?

Belichick is a genius, no question about it.

My point is this, all the great ones have had either coaches or supporting casts that complimented one another.

You put Manning or Brady on the 2010 Rams and their record improves instantly. They might even post a winning record, but they ain't winning any titles without a good coach.

Look at the Cowboys and the Vikings. Prime examples of how important good to elite coaching is.

[body88]

I think its funny how the media totally ignores brady at least ehre in  los angeles.

That dunce manning has all kinda commercials despite looking retatrded and talking like a soviet after a bottle of absolute

Frankly, that's a huge reason why Manning gets so much more credit -- (it's all deserved the guy is a great player). He's out there and he's funny as hell. People like him.

Brady also has to deal with a insecure male fanbase who are threatend by the fact that chicks love him and that he has done well for himself. It's no different than a dude rolling into a bar and having all the females find him attractive. Every insecure pussy in there starts talking shit.

[King Shizzo]

Belichick is a genius, no question about it.

My point is this, all the great ones have had either coaches or supporting casts that complimented one another.

You put Manning or Brady on the 2010 Rams and their record improves instantly. They might even post a woinning record, but they ain't winning any titles.

Your right on the money.

[Hulkotron]

Again, the reason Brady puts up the numbers and the wins that he does is that he barely ever gets touched. Those 2 hits he took in the first quarter against the Lions were pretty much all he's been hit all season.  The one other time he got rocked, the beginning of the 2008 season, his glass leg ended up in shambles and he was done for the year.

Yeah he really "got rocked" here

[Wiggs]

You want to bang him? 

lol...no sir.

[King Shizzo]

lol...no sir.

I'll take his job and his bank account 

[body88]

Yeah he really "got rocked" here

Don't waste your time with that guy. He is the biggest hater/retard in the history of earth. His arguments are made from straw men based totally on opinion and they are ridiculous, lol. Contradicts himself in every post -- etc.

My favs are:

-System QB - But then calls Montana and Young great ignoring Bill Walsh's west coast offense as being regarded as the greatest system ever. Ignores all the hof players surrounding these guys, etc.

-Offensive line nonsense - Manning has had the better performing offensive line over their careers - that is a fact. Ignored, lol. Ignores that fact that it's the qb's job to set the offensive line protection, so if a qb has time to throw, maybe he made the right protection call. I wonder why Manning and Brady always seem to have a lot of time to throw?? Hmm.

-Great QB's making great players great - as if Reggie Wayne left the colts or if Jerry Rice left the niners they'd suck.

-Great QB's make guys better and they stink after they leave - Hello, Deion Branch left and stunk in Seattle, Terry  Glenn left and stunk in Dallas, Wes Welker was never what he was until he came to NE... Moss did NOTHING with Farve, Reche Caldwell is out of football – etc, etc.

-Talks about the Pats defense, but ignores the fact that offensive drives led by Brady won them all their titles... Ignores the fact that any advantage that Brady had on defense was of set by manning's huge advantage on offense.

-Brings up Matt Cassel as proof of a system. The year prior Brady threw 50td’s to 8 int’s. Cassel comes in the next year and throws 16 td’s to 16 int’s with the exact same team. Currently Cassel has 18 td’s to 4 int’s and over 2000 yards passing on a KC team with no offensive weapons, which would indicate he is a good player.

LOL!!!!!!!

[Hulkotron]

I would not expect much from a man who aspires to view other men's physiques in high definition.

I don't even like Brady but to argue he is a plug-in systems QB is nonsense.  He is very good.  Better than Manning?  Sometimes for sure.  Manning's stats are clearly more impressive, Brady's won more SBs.  Depends on what your criteria for "better" are.

[King Shizzo]

I would not expect much from a man who aspires to view other men's physiques in high definition.

I don't even like Brady but to argue he is a plug-in systems QB is nonsense.  He is very good.  Better than Manning?  Sometimes for sure.  Manning's stats are clearly more impressive, Brady's won more SBs.  Depends on what your criteria for "better" are.

Of course Mannings stats are going to look better than Brady's  Manning had a three year head start (4 due to brady missing a whole year due to injury) Manning started as a rookie in 98, Brady didn't start until game 4 of 2001.

[Hulkotron]

Of course Mannings stats are going to look better than Brady's  Manning had a three year head start (4 due to brady missing a whole year due to injury) Manning started as a rookie in 98, Brady didn't start until game 4 of 2001.

Scale per game then genius.  Manning's stats are still better.

Brady: 240 yards/game, 1.77 TD/game, 0.74 INT/game, 63.6% completions.
Manning: 263 yards/game, 1.91 TD/game, 0.93 INT/game, 64.8% completions