Jay Cutler visits Ferrari in Bologna, Italy.(videos included)

[Nasty Nate]

We'll see how happy he is when he retires, has to deflate, loses 120lbs. of muscle, has his test production permanently shut down and all he is left with is his caveman jaw, hands and a few magazine covers he was on

just saying... look at prince.

Jay is smart. He realizes the fact that he isn't going to be Mr.O forever and he's doing everything to make money while he's on top so he can live comfortably when he decides to call it quits.

[Mr. Magoo]

about the same you are.

If you're at a pond, and a baby is drowning in the pond, are you going to just stand there and not help because other people there aren't helping either?

 

Other people not doing something right doesn't justify you not doing it

[ManBearPig...]

If you're at a pond, and a baby is drowning in the pond, are you going to just stand there and not help because other people there aren't helping either?

 

Other people not doing something right doesn't justify you not doing it

Settle down Obama, don't tell the man how to spend his money. 
Jay's income taxes pay for welfare, and i doubt you have a job.  So yes, he's helping the "needy" a lot more than you are.

[Mr. Magoo]

Settle down Obama, don't tell the man how to spend his money. 
Jay's income taxes pay for welfare, and i doubt you have a job.  So yes, he's helping the "needy" a lot more than you are.

aren't the quality of actions based on intentions? I bet Jay complains about taxes as much as anybody else. Taxes are mandated, not willingly given. I don't think he should be praised for doing something that he is required to do by law under the threat of harsh penalties.

Yes i'm bored and just trying to argue for the fun of it 

[NarcissisticDeity]

If you're at a pond, and a baby is drowning in the pond, are you going to just stand there and not help because other people there aren't helping either?

 

Other people not doing something right doesn't justify you not doing it

Bad analogy , you're speculating on what he's doing , what are you doing? maybe he does give money to charity do you? ( before you ask I do ) lets say he didn't who cares? Jay is successful so he's responsible ? lets say you do give money to charity why do you care of Jay doesn't?

[ManBearPig...]

aren't the quality of actions based on intentions? I bet Jay complains about taxes as much as anybody else. Taxes are mandated, not willingly given. I don't think he should be praised for doing something that he is required to do by law under the threat of harsh penalties.

Yes i'm bored and just trying to argue for the fun of it 

At the end of the day, the end results makes him a better human than you, at least with respect to helping others.

I realize you're a college kid, and you may grow up to be the greatest philanthropist ever, but to think someone should donate a dime of their earned money to anyone else out of some societal moral obligation is bullshit and fucked up.

[The_Punisher]

Money does talk and if you want a new model like the 458 Italia it's gonna cost , most are snatched up by dealers and collectors who put a deposit and then turn it around for a profit , the cheapest I've seen a 458 for is $150K over list ! now how bad do you want it? enough to pay a 70% mark-up?

I think it's their way of making business. there was a basketball star who said that he was on the waiting list for his new ferrari for 2yrs. in his case, they had to customized his ferrari to fit his 6'11 frame.....Ferrai knows their customers and realized that some of these people would fetch money to get their hands on what they want. as far as the waiting list goes, even celebrities and car enthusiast Like Jay Leno had to wait on the list to get his ferari 599. I'm sure ferrari had to give Leno his copy first than eveybody else.

[Mr. Magoo]

Bad analogy , you're speculating on what he's doing , what are you doing? maybe he does give money to charity do you? ( before you ask I do ) lets say he didn't who cares? Jay is successful so he's responsible ? lets say you do give money to charity why do you care of Jay doesn't?

I was showing that a person not doing what is right, or 5 people not doing what is right, or a million people not doing what is right (saving the drowning baby and/or solving social problems such as hunger), does not justify us throwing our hands up and saying "well since they aren't helping, I wont either". So the point is that it doesn't matter what others are doing. Comparing oneself with others in terms of contribution doesn't relinquish the responsibility of contributing. That answers your first.....2 questions, and partially answers the 3rd and 4th.

If you saw a baby drowning and were standing right there, and watched him drown, I think it's safe to say that you are a morally bad person for not helping. What if the baby was 2 feet away, what if the baby was 3 feet away, 4, 40, 400, etc. Same with hunger. Why does distance relinquish responsibility? Because hunger is in Africa, and Jay (symbolizing those that live well beyond their means purely for their own ego satisfaction) is far away, he is not responsible for helping? By that rationale, if Jay (or a similar person that claims they aren't responsible because the problem is way over there) was standing beside a starving baby, if he took off running fast enough, he would no longer be held responsible for not helping.

I'm just using Jay as a symbol for people that live unnecessary beyond their means. I'm moving away from using Jay as a person, because I dont know how he is.

If it helps any, I"m just using the argument of Peter Singer lol.

http://www.utilitarian.guy/by/1972----.htm

[Big Worm]

I don't think you can just buy a ferrari - you either have to order them or you are "selected" by Ferrari - I guess Jay is not high on their preferred clientele list.
Given his size I be surprised if he even fits in an Enzo

You're right phaggot.. you tried buying one?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I was showing that a person not doing what is right, or 5 people not doing what is right, or a million people not doing what is right (saving the drowning baby and/or solving social problems such as hunger), does not justify us throwing our hands up and saying "well since they aren't helping, I wont either". So the point is that it doesn't matter what others are doing. Comparing oneself with others in terms of contribution doesn't relinquish the responsibility of contributing. That answers your first.....2 questions, and partially answers the 3rd and 4th.

If you saw a baby drowning and were standing right there, and watched him drown, I think it's safe to say that you are a morally bad person for not helping. What if the baby was 2 feet away, what if the baby was 3 feet away, 4, 40, 400, etc. Same with hunger. Why does distance relinquish responsibility? Because hunger is in Africa, and Jay (symbolizing those that live well beyond their means purely for their own ego satisfaction) is far away, he is not responsible for helping? By that rationale, if Jay (or a similar person that claims they aren't responsible because the problem is way over there) was standing beside a starving baby, if he took off running fast enough, he would no longer be held responsible for not helping.

I'm just using Jay as a symbol for people that live unnecessary beyond their means. I'm moving away from using Jay as a person, because I dont know how he is.

If it helps any, I"m just using the argument of Peter Singer lol.

http://www.utilitarian.guy/by/1972----.htm

You're showing your ignorance because you don't know if Jay gives or not.

[Mr. Magoo]

You're showing your ignorance because you don't know if Jay gives or not.

of course I don't know. I think my first post with the picture was a question. I think I said "I wonder how much jay gives"

Of course I'm not going to claim to know how much Jay does or does not give, that would be stupid.

[~UN_$ung~]

We'll see how happy he is when he retires, has to deflate, loses 120lbs. of muscle, has his test production permanently shut down and all he is left with is his caveman jaw, hands and a few magazine covers he was on

just saying... look at prince.

you sounidng  a little bitter man

so big deal, he will probably have to be in TRT for the rest of his life, big deal, a shot a week......he takes multiple shots a day now


and prince is an anomoly, its not like most bodybuilders are ending up like tom prince

[noworries]

I cannot stand people that "stand" beside a car to take a picture of like its the 10th wonder of the world or some tourist attraction

BTW this is the first picture I have EVER seen of cutler without plastic fork and knife

I can't stand it either but when I had my 935 I would drive it through Waikiki and at every stop light Japanese would run up to it and take photos with me.  For some reason people like doing that with nice cars.  We took myh friend Porsche to the LA car show.  Valet parked it.  They had it sitting out front.  When we left the show and got to the car thewre was maybe 30 people around it taking photos with it.  Not sure why people do it.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

of course I don't know. I think my first post with the picture was a question. I think I said "I wonder how much jay gives"

Of course I'm not going to claim to know how much Jay does or does not give, that would be stupid.

Then why question? what's next? I wonder is Jay is green? I wonder if he's off the grid , I wonder how many Prius' he could have bought for the price he said for one of his Porsches , I wonder what Jay is doing to stimulate the economy , what is Jay doing about Global warming , what is Jay doing about peace is the middle east , seriously where does it end?

and ironically the photographer of the picture you posted did nothing for that child BTW

[Mr. Magoo]

Then why question? what's next? I wonder is Jay is green? I wonder if he's off the grid , I wonder how many Prius' he could have bought for the price he said for one of his Porsches , I wonder what Jay is doing to stimulate the economy , what is Jay doing about Global warming , what is Jay doing about peace is the middle east , seriously where does it end?

and ironically the photographer of the picture you posted did nothing for that child BTW

The photographer of the picture ended up killing himself for feeling guilty that no matter what he did, children would still be in that position the child was in. He lost hope in the world's humanity.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The photographer of the picture ended up shooting himself for feeling guilty that no matter what he did, children would still be in that position the child was in. He lost hope in the world's humanity.

I know he did but did that help the kid? did it help the situation? how about that kid's parents? when did it become Jay's problem? you're just as guilty as Jay but you don't have a Porsche and Jay selling his Porsche wouldn't save that kid.

[Mr. Magoo]

I know he did but did that help the kid? did it help the situation? how about that kid's parents? when did it become Jay's problem? you're just as guilty as Jay but you don't have a Porsche and Jay selling his Porsche wouldn't save that kid.

Saying that the problem is too big still does not relinquish moral responsibility. That's a psychological issue. Studies show that our minds have trouble comprehending numbers greater than 60. Like we can't wrap our heads around more than 60 people on average. So for us to hear that millions of people are dying from hunger, our minds have a tendency to think "well it's too big a problem for me to help, so I wont help". This is the main argument against charities using statistics to entice people to give. It backfires. This fact about our minds not being able to understand millions of people at once is not a good enough reason to avoid responsibility. Read Singer.

And yes, I am just as guilty as Jay or someone that doesn't do all they are able to. I'm trying to work on that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Saying that the problem is too big still does not relinquish moral responsibility. That's a psychological issue. Studies show that our minds have trouble comprehending numbers greater than 60. Like we can't wrap our heads around more than 60 people on average. So for us to hear that millions of people are dying from hunger, our minds have a tendency to think "well it's too big a problem for me to help, so I wont help". This is the main argument against charities using statistics to entice people to give. It backfires. This fact about our minds not being able to understand millions of people at once is not a good enough reason to avoid responsibility. Read Singer.

And yes, I am just as guilty as Jay or someone that doesn't do all they are able to. I'm trying to work on that.

Well if you admit you're guilty don't get on the moral high horse and don't be a hypocrite , I give every year to American Red Cross I'm trying to do my part regardless of who isn't.

[noworries]

You forgot a shitload of money in various accounts, million dollar home and 4 maybe more Sandows.

Just to let you know his house is not anywhere near a million.  This is Vegas.

[Bones]

Just to let you know his house is not anywhere near a million.  This is Vegas.

  Probably was when he bought it...not now...couldn't careless about the house or the car..but wouldn't mind seeing a few more pics of the "assistant" 

[claymore]

that's bullshit. money talks, bullshit walks.....there are several Ferrari dealers across the U.S. you walk in there and show them the money, you'll drive away in your new toy. if they don't have what you want, they'll order it for you.....no one turns away millionaires. Except for rare models like the ENZO which is very exclusive and hard to find, they usually have a waiting list for some models. the ferrari F 450 is usually bought by previous ferrari owners, but the bottom line is, as long as your bank account is limitless, your ferrari will be in your driveway in no time. Period

Correct

[musclecenter]

more pics

[KevinP85]

I was showing that a person not doing what is right, or 5 people not doing what is right, or a million people not doing what is right (saving the drowning baby and/or solving social problems such as hunger), does not justify us throwing our hands up and saying "well since they aren't helping, I wont either". So the point is that it doesn't matter what others are doing. Comparing oneself with others in terms of contribution doesn't relinquish the responsibility of contributing. That answers your first.....2 questions, and partially answers the 3rd and 4th.

If you saw a baby drowning and were standing right there, and watched him drown, I think it's safe to say that you are a morally bad person for not helping. What if the baby was 2 feet away, what if the baby was 3 feet away, 4, 40, 400, etc. Same with hunger. Why does distance relinquish responsibility? Because hunger is in Africa, and Jay (symbolizing those that live well beyond their means purely for their own ego satisfaction) is far away, he is not responsible for helping? By that rationale, if Jay (or a similar person that claims they aren't responsible because the problem is way over there) was standing beside a starving baby, if he took off running fast enough, he would no longer be held responsible for not helping.

I'm just using Jay as a symbol for people that live unnecessary beyond their means. I'm moving away from using Jay as a person, because I dont know how he is.

If it helps any, I"m just using the argument of Peter Singer lol.

http://www.utilitarian.guy/by/1972----.htm

I hate people who think like this, do you really think Jay is really living beyond his means? Plus no one is entitled to give any of thier hard earned money to anyone, period!

[Andy Griffin]

I cannot stand people that "stand" beside a car to take a picture of like its the 10th wonder of the world or some tourist attraction

BTW this is the first picture I have EVER seen of cutler without plastic fork and knife

maybe he should use a spork

[Mr. Magoo]

I hate people who think like this, do you really think Jay is really living beyond his means? Plus no one is entitled to give any of their hard earned money to anyone, period!

If Jay is buying a Ferrari, then yes an argument can be made that he is living beyond his means. How many cars does Jay have, how big is jay's house, how much did that epic tanning bed he owns cost, etc etc.

In response to your second part. That is a theory, not a fact, so putting "period!" at the end of it doesn't solidify it as truth. Some would say that Jay, just like me and you Ryan, has a moral duty to help those in need. Not "charity". Charity implies that if you do it, you're great, and if you don't do it, then you're okay too. The focus needs to be redirected away from "Charity" and onto moral obligations. Again, if you want to read my point written by someone a hell of a lot smarter than me, refer to the Peter Singer article I posted earlier to see what he says. I could type a few more paragraphs here but I won't waste your time unless you're interested