Aliens and Nazi's...you better believe it!!

[Fatpanda]

250 years in cultural terms isn't long that's my fucking point christ, modern cultures have developed over the last 5-10k years, we still can find remnants of proto indoeuropean in our modern language 5000 years after it split from the main group.


It's complicated as I said I ain't writing no book about it, there's load out there, it's complicated, but england was part of it obviously, but it had alot to do with cultural developments going on in the netherlands/germany.

When I said northern europe I mean Germanic/Protestant europe. It's a large cultural tradition and it's far from simple to understand, as shit goes back 100's of years.

It wasn't like one moment the reformation said we shall find america, they simply put in place a whole lot of things that made it possible. I strongly believe if a catholic society attempted an independence movement it would of collapsed within a few years.

Just look into alot of the ideals of calvanism, hobbes and the list goes on. The point was it caused an area of critical and changing thought  something that was new to europe in it's time which was wrapped up in narrow minded christian dogma, for over 1000 years.

you are going off in tangents now.

the fact is it was catholic explorers than found america  it was catholic countries that prospered from it initially  especially spain. who if not for losing its armada whilst attempting to invade england they would probably have went on to become the superpower and empire britain became.

now the american revolution was a fight for independence from paying taxes to england, and a break from the class system that existed at the time. nothing at all to do with luthers ideas.

[Bobby]

i mean no disrespect john

but the simple fact is americans in general have no clue about world history - let alone european history.

just as most of us europeans have no indepth knowledge  about american history.

the fact you think ww2 wasn't started by germany invading poland shows you know nothing about history.

The Soviet union ALSO INVADED POLAND in September 1939, A very inconvenient fact the mass media likes to forget.
The communist butchers of the soviet union MURDERED 15.000 of the Polish elite in the spring of 1940, The Katyn forest massacre.

NO ONE declared war against the soviet union (only against germany), instead they turned half of Europe over to the Soviets at the end of the war.

The ONLY reason for world war 2 being fought against Germany was that Hitler had freed Germany from the international banking system. Something Kennedy was about to do when he was murdered


"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war," Churchill said," was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."

(Churchill to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.

[Fatpanda]

germany were in discussions with the uk for peace as they invaded poland - that was the deception, that was the trigger.

[The Showstoppa]

germany were in discussions with the uk for peace as they invaded poland - that was the deception, that was the trigger.

Chamberlin was a bitch.....

[Fatpanda]

Chamberlin was a bitch.....

true.

[Lundgren]

you are going off in tangents now.

the fact is it was catholic explorers than found america  it was catholic countries that prospered from it initially  especially spain. who if not for losing its armada whilst attempting to invade england they would probably have went on to become the superpower and empire britain became.

now the american revolution was a fight for independence from paying taxes to england, and a break from the class system that existed at the time. nothing at all to do with luthers ideas.

And what did the catholics amount too fuck all, they were a rich kingdom, just like the turks indians and chinese, they were just at a convient position.

Regardless your living out the people that fought for independance in america, they weren't a bunch of catholics, they were the pilgrims, the heugonaunts, etc, they had no desire to be controlled by a european church, or kingdom, I strong doubt it would of succeed if it was a bunch of catholics from france or spain.

[Fatpanda]

And what did the catholics amount too fuck all, they were a rich kingdom, just like the turks indians and chinese, they were just at a convient position.

Regardless your living out the people that fought for independance in america, they weren't a bunch of catholics, they were the pilgrims, the heugonaunts, etc, they had no desire to be controlled by a european church, or kingdom, I strong doubt it would of succeed if it was a bunch of catholics from france or spain.

catholics amounted to fuck all ? there were just like the turks ? indians and chinese ?

i'm sorry i didn't realise you were retarded.

in future when you post about anything, i'll keep in mind that i'm dealing with an idiot.

[Lundgren]

catholics amounted to fuck all ? there were just like the turks ? indians and chinese ?

i'm sorry i didn't realise you were retarded.

in future when you post about anything, i'll keep in mind that i'm dealing with an idiot.

Well why did they all collectively lag behind the industrial revolution, was it just magic?

[Fatpanda]

Well why did they all collectively lag behind the industrial revolution, was it just magic?

let me guess, you are an american ?

[Lundgren]

let me guess, you are an american ?

Canadian newfoundlander(West Ireland basically), of strong catholic background, part irish, and french native to boot.

[Fatpanda]

Canadian newfoundlander(   West Ireland basically), of strong catholic background, part irish, and french native to boot.

OMFG 

[Lundgren]

OMFG 

What's so funny? It's a huge part of our culture, it's the best way to understand the island.

[dj181]

Hey panda! Are you born a scottish catholic bro? Don't forget... WASP POWER

[Fatpanda]

Hey panda! Are you born a scottish catholic bro? Don't forget... WASP POWER

yes i was raised a catholic, and am a celtic fan, however i consider it to be corrupt religion.

A perfect way to control the masses, control information, get rich and rule all basically.

jesus existed, but the church does not spread his true teachings if you read about the dead sea scrolls etc.

i consider myself a buddhist now.

and jesus's real teachings are remarkable similar to buddhas.

[rccs]

Actually, IMO, the Generation '68 that came after WW2 killed Germany more than any allied bomb did.

They managed to label EVERYTHING German to be Nazi, so i basically grew up without a culture, or rather a mixture of american, british and washed out German culture, plus a multi-nationalism that was forced on us, although i realized in elementary school, when some kid that had fled the civil war in Lebanon brought a fucking survival knife to school to steal people's lunch, that multi-culturalism had failed badly.

Socialism and the fucking hippies did Germany more bad than the war.

RICHTIG!!!!

[Fatpanda]

Actually, IMO, the Generation '68 that came after WW2 killed Germany more than any allied bomb did.

They managed to label EVERYTHING German to be Nazi, so i basically grew up without a culture, or rather a mixture of american, british and washed out German culture, plus a multi-nationalism that was forced on us, although i realized in elementary school, when some kid that had fled the civil war in Lebanon brought a fucking survival knife to school to steal people's lunch, that multi-culturalism had failed badly.

Socialism and the fucking hippies did Germany more bad than the war.

murdering millions of jews and thinking you are a master race is not a culture to be proud of.

you should be glad you have a bunch of liberal pussies now running things - better karma.

[JOHN MATRIX]

the fact you think ww2 wasn't started by germany invading poland shows you know nothing about history.

so..germany invaded the part of 'poland' which prior to the treaty of versailles was part of germany.

how did this threaten of affect britain? or france? or america?

how exactly did germany's reoccupying poland 'start a world war'??

oh thats right, britain used it as an excuse to declare war on germany, thus bringing themselves, france, and eventually the US into it, thus turning what was a small border dispute into a fucking world war.

BRITAIN started the WORLD WAR, not germany.

[Fatpanda]

so..germany invaded the part of 'poland' which prior to the treaty of versailles was part of germany.

how did this threaten of affect britain? or france? or america?

how exactly did germany's reoccupying poland 'start a world war'??

oh thats right, britain used it as an excuse to declare war on germany, thus bringing themselves, france, and eventually the US into it, thus turning what was a small border dispute into a fucking world war.

BRITAIN started the WORLD WAR, not germany.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha priceless !

where did you learn that stuff ? in a comic ?

[dj181]

WASP POWER & DOMINANCE BABY! P.S. The Western allies should have finished off mother russia after the nazis were stopped. Big mistake on our part...

[Captain Equipoise]

so..germany invaded the part of 'poland' which prior to the treaty of versailles was part of germany.

how did this threaten of affect britain? or france? or america?

how exactly did germany's reoccupying poland 'start a world war'??

oh thats right, britain used it as an excuse to declare war on germany, thus bringing themselves, france, and eventually the US into it, thus turning what was a small border dispute into a fucking world war.

BRITAIN started the WORLD WAR, not germany.

LOL, it wasn't a small border dispute, Germany was set on taking over and conquering Europe

small border dispute, HAHAHHAHA

[Lundgren]

LOL, it wasn't a small border dispute, Germany was set on taking over and conquering Europe

small border dispute, HAHAHHAHA

That's debatable. Taking over the world is kind of a vague idea. In most times in history, goverments only go to far when there left no other choice, it's either total dominance or total defeat, if britian and america had stayed out of european conflict, it's likely germany would of stayed to it's sphere of influence and waited a while to consolidate dominance in the direct region, of course it would of taking much of the british empire along with it, but it wouldn't have to mean control of britian/usa.

[Captain Equipoise]

That's debatable. Taking over the world is kind of a vague idea. In most times in history, goverments only go to far when there left no other choice, it's either total dominance or total defeat, if britian and america had stayed out of european conflict, it's likely germany would of stayed to it's sphere of influence and waited a while to consolidate dominance in the direct region, of course it would of taking much of the british empire along with it, but it wouldn't have to mean control of britian/usa.

I said taking over Europe, which they essentially did..

[Lundgren]

I said taking over Europe, which they essentially did..

Your being a bit much there first off that was a response to the fact britian caused world war two which is somewhat true, also germany didn't conquer all of europe, it had the soviets to the east, and italians/balkan facists to the south, the only zone they would of controlled is france/poland. Hardly conquering the world, besides if left to their own devices Soviet union would of taken on germany by itself, probally would of saved alot of lives of american's/brit's sure it would of fuck up europe for a while, until the facist's/commies lost momentum, but it's the same result to me as the Eastern Block.

[Captain Equipoise]

Your being a bit much there first off that was a response to the fact britian caused world war two which is somewhat true, also germany didn't conquer all of europe, it had the soviets to the east, and italians/balkan facists to the south, the only zone they would of controlled is france/poland. Hardly conquering the world, besides if left to their own devices Soviet union would of taken on germany by itself, probally would of saved alot of lives of american's/brit's sure it would of fuck up europe for a while, until the facist's/commies lost momentum, but it's the same result to me as the Eastern Block.

You should maybe look at the map before posting..

there are maybe 20 countries under the umbrella of Hitler on that map, that constitutes nearly all of Europe, nobody really gives a shit about England, it's not really a part of Europe anyways.

[Lundgren]

You should maybe look at the map before posting..

there are maybe 20 countries under the umbrella of Hitler on that map, that constitutes nearly all of Europe, nobody really gives a shit about England, it's not really a part of Europe anyways.

Lol minor countries don't count. England+plus way more worth than france and a bunch of little states.