Kiyoshi Moody - natural?

[Dragon]

the thing i find most strange... is that there are no off season pics of kyoshi...
i saw his offseason diet, now i want to see the offseason pics...

[JP_RC]

I would believe than layne norton is natural, I think a guy like doug miller is stupid for think we would believe he's natural. But this guy Kioshy M is in another level, he is pretty pretty pretty fucked up in his mind, he looks almost exactly like any other IFBB pro and he comes here telling us he's natural??? Yes he looks awesome but don't treat people like we are mental challenged

good post and I agree.

[bigkahuna]

Apparently Kiyoshi grows into shows ala Kevin Levrone...He must be natural! 

[che]

Apparently Kiyoshi grows into shows ala Kevin Levrone...He must be natural! 

Haha , not only that  he is 40 years old and he  gained  20 lbs of muscle in the past year  (naturally  OFC ) .

[Dragon]

Apparently Kiyoshi grows into shows ala Kevin Levrone...He must be natural!  

bell curve diets do not work for true naturals unless recovering from injury or long layoff...  (and the "added" mass only comes from true-natural-base musclemass)
this is my opinion coming from training and prepping over hundreds of gymrats... and from my own experience too    just saying  

[Ex Coelis]

his calves look natural

[jude2]

alex is just as usual out of his mind,,leader of generation nothingness,,this fella mioshi is on everything ifbb professional is on,,EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT,,but the difference is he try to push it as natural,,

if you think for a second this fella doesnt have gh in his blood none stop for a long time,,if you think this fella doesnt beg from his dealer for stuff every 4 weeks and ask to rush it in ,,if you think this fella doesnt spend ALL HIS MONEY ON HORMONES ,,then you deserve to be where youre at in bodybuilding,,

this is A LIAR,,A STINKY LIAR,,HE IS THE TYPE OF FELLA THAT WILL LIE IN COURT,,AND WILL LIE TO WIFE,, AND WILL LIE TO FRIEND,,AND WILL LIE AND LIE AND LIE INORDER TO GET SOMEWHERE,,THE SAD PART IS THAT HIS FRIEND WILL BUY THE LIE AND WILL BELIEVE,,

therer were times i thought to bust those naturals and shed them to light with controled delivery,,but the money was so so good ,,its just not worth it ,,they pay alot of money
gh15 you have the money, just shed the light on these so called naturals and put them to shame. You should don it for the sake of BB and for your legend to continue.
gh15 approved

[Benny B]

[~UN_$ung~]

delusional, i-will-believe-ANYTHING cock-suckery..............lot of that in you

god your a homo...

[the_swami]

I would believe than layne norton is natural, I think a guy like doug miller is stupid for think we would believe he's natural. But this guy Kioshy M is in another level, he is pretty pretty pretty fucked up in his mind, he looks almost exactly like any other IFBB pro and he comes here telling us he's natural??? Yes he looks awesome but don't treat people like we are mental challenged

you are another one of the ignorant if you think Layne Norton is life time natural

[Master Blaster]

exactly!!

when you UNDERSTAND performance enhancement, and understand the sport...........there are no real surprises

yes there is a spectrum of genetics, some guys are blessed with good some guys with worse genetics............but there is a LIMIT.........there are NO supermen

when you understand what drugs do, and what different drugs do , and what different amounts of drugs do...........you know what a guy taking some winny to shread up looks like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you knwo what a guy on deca and dbol looks like.............you know what aa guy on a lot of test looks like..............you know a guy on HGH looks like.........you know what a guy on HGH and anabolics looks like.............any you KNOW WHAT  A GOOD NATURAL LOOKS LIKE



there ARE NO SURPRISES, there ARE NO SUPERMEN..............no natural can look better then arnold schwarzeneggar did on steroids.........no one has genetics that good

it even annoys me what people say "yeh, he probably does use, but you can never be sure"...............i AM sure, cause there are telling markers, and if you know what your looking at , they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know........like counting the rings on a tree.,.......the rings dont lie.........

it just frustrates me that people get duped by scumbags like kyoshi............cause it really isnt a  harmless evasion of truth.........it hurts people...........people waste DECADES in the gym, waste thousands of dollars, hurt themselves, and are forever spinning their wheels with unachievable goals cause of FUCKING DICKHEADS like KYOSHI MOODY

this might be kind of harsh, but so is a strong cup of coffee. We need to wake up and accept what has happened to "natural" bodybuilding. The truth is that there really hasn't ever been natural bodybuilding for over half a century.

As soon as you find a test for every anabolic, HGH and peptide there will be some new sarm or genetic tampering that comes next. Natural bodybuilding is dead and it will never come back.

[~UN_$ung~]

this might be kind of harsh, but so is a strong cup of coffee. We need to wake up and accept what has happened to "natural" bodybuilding. The truth is that there really hasn't ever been natural bodybuilding for over half a century.

As soon as you find a test for every anabolic, HGH and peptide there will be some new sarm or genetic tampering that comes next. Natural bodybuilding is dead and it will never come back.

its all such bullshit


creatine is a chemical produced by the human body, that when synthesized in a lab and taken exogenously in superphysiological dosages helps build muscle

testosterone is a chemical produced by the human body, that when synthesized in a lab and taken exogenously in superphysiological dosages helps build muscle


but one is legal, and one is not..........one is cheating, one is not

i mean how fucking arbitrary is that...........

taking whey protein isnt "nautral"

[cephissus]

great post!!

[Harry Spotter]

there is absolutely no proof of this guy being a user, and his record even from the start is in drug tested and polygraph tested contests...

he claims he is natural, his physique is good, he's been training for some time...

the real losers are those who dont think anything can be achieved without steroids.

you need to get out a little and meet some gifted muscle athletes...

hope this helps.

I bet you`re the type of guy who is rather too easily overcome with adrosterone while slipping one too many dollar bills into one too many "gifted muscle athlete" thongs'.

[~UN_$ung~]

I bet you`re the type of guy who is rather too easily overcome with adrosterone while slipping one too many dollar bills into one too many "gifted muscle athlete" thongs'.

leave him alone............geez... .....cant a guy believe in his heros anymore



he just needs to believe



........cause they are heros........and a hero would never lie to serve a personal agenda or craft an image




 

[rudylrichards]

i know some of you WANT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY to believe he is natural, cause your afraid to take steroids, and you want to believe you can naturally fashion a physique comparable to that with a lot of time and hard work



but separate yourself from your emotional need to believe and lets think about this RATIONALLY


in this photo here..............moody looks bigger, crisper, leaner, better then any of those guys who competed back in the "golden age"...............looks better then zane, better then ferrigno, better then arnold, looks better then metzner

so are you actually gonna believe that this guys genetics are SO fucking superb.............that naturally.............he could look better in every way then zane, arnold, louie, franco  did on steroids

i think we can agree that arnold and zane had some pretty good bodybuilding genetics.........do you really believe that arnold and zanes genetics were so inferior to moodys that even taking gear the could never look as good as him on stage



this guy is a lying fuckin scumbag............anyon e who knows ANYTHING about the look growth hormone gives a physique can EASILY tell this guy is on growth.........ans he is on PLENTY of steroids too, he just knows how to manipulate them

look at the guys he is standing next to ( who themselves arent natural) and look at how he is dominating them............with this physique in this picture, he could do damage in the light heavies at nationals


if you want to believe that LIAR MOODY is just SO genetically blessed...........that he is some kind of superhuman.........that he could look better then most national level untested competitors............. .i REALLY feel sorry for you

people like this guy really are the bottom of the barrel........let him stay on the "positive" board when a few delusionites suck on his androgen-shrunken nutsack...........cause he knows if he stepped on the main board he would get owned and exposed like the lying c0cksucker he is............cause although there are a lot of idiots who post on the G&O who know NOTHING about bodybuilding (noworries, disco stu, ect)............there are also plenty of guys that have been around and who know exactly what this assholes game is

Absolutely brilliant post.  Anyone who disagrees has absoluetly no clue what they're talking about.

I understand if someone ask u if u juice and u say no, but for him to be on a campaing saying he's natural ala skip lacour and a few others is dispicable.

  The problem with him is he's preventing Natural athletes from actually being natural.  what do you do if you're 100% natural, compete in TESTED (not natural shows, big difference) and a guy who's obviously juicing comes in and beat you yr after yr.  Mr Moody is as responsible if not more for other competitors using hormones than a Jay Cutler.

Noone's hating on this guy, those in the know have an ethics problem with someone like him who juices and only do natural shows, you have to be very insecure.  It's no different than a guy who can cut it against other guys so he dresses up as a girl to compete and dominate the the girls and feels good about himself.   

[dyslexic]

Anyone who gets in great shape is automatically labled a 'steroid' user, whether it is true or not.

That is a fact.

[Benny B]

delusional, i-will-believe-ANYTHING cock-suckery..............lot of that in you

god your a homo...

The only thing "I believe" is that you are bitter, butthurt, and really stupid.

It's "you're", as in YOU ARE, you fucking moron.

Hope this helps! Kill yourself. 

[rudylrichards]

I believe him!  I've seen him compete before and after the show I ran into him and his wife at a pizza joint.   Seeing him off stage leads me to believe natural.  He didn't have a chemical look to him, wasn't huge in person!  Under the stage lights he looked awesome.  Turned out to be a very friendly humble guy.  I believe!  Congrats kiyoshi

The problem is you're associating steroids with huge muscles.  that's only one possible result of it. it's not the muscle size that determines if you're natural or not it's fullness.  Noone and I mean noone, not Arnold, Ronnie, Flex, Haney, Dorian etc had that fullness naturally.

 
Iris Kyle is a small girl in person, smaller than Moody.  Once she gets onstage she looks bigger than Moody.  Doesn't make her natural

[~UN_$ung~]

The only thing "I believe" is that you are bitter, butthurt, and really stupid.

It's "you're", as in YOU ARE, you fucking moron.
Hope this helps! Kill yourself. 

haha, the time honored "i got OWENED SO I WILL ATTTACK HIS SPELLING APPROACH"



like an old fuckin grandmother, pointing out spellin errors

peopel like you take this all seriously, probably type your messages in word then paste them, read over them a couple of times...............whil e people like me, sit on their couch with a their notebook on thier lap, watchin g TV, while clickin to a dozen different websites, while talkin to to my girlfriend, while writing an email......

you really are the biggest homo on this site.........and here , i left teh spelling errors in, so you can read over my posting and melt grandma

[SilverSpoon]

Unsung, you have hit the nail on the head.
These folks, God love them, still believe in the bell curve theory proposed by Samuel L. Jackson's character in "Unbreakable"; to wit, that real superheroes are walking this Earth.

[Benny B]

haha, the time honored "i got OWENED SO I WILL ATTTACK HIS SPELLING APPROACH"



like an old fuckin grandmother, pointing out spellin errors

peopel like you take this all seriously, probably type your messages in word then paste them, read over them a couple of times...............whil e people like me, sit on their couch with a their notebook on thier lap, watchin g TV, while clickin to a dozen different websites, while talkin to to my girlfriend, while writing an email......

you really are the biggest homo on this site.........and here , i left teh spelling errors in, so you can read over my posting and melt grandma

lol

So,in order to be intelligent enough to know how to use 3rd grade contractions correctly you have to be a "grandma." No wonder you are a loser and your life sucks.


Of course, you have so many mentally challenging projects going on that you don't have time to spell correctly or use proper grammar. 

[el numero uno]

you are another one of the ignorant if you think Layne Norton is life time natural

I said "I would", I did not say "I do" 

[First Blood]

haha, the time honored "i got OWENED SO I WILL ATTTACK HIS SPELLING APPROACH"



like an old fuckin grandmother, pointing out spellin errors

peopel like you take this all seriously, probably type your messages in word then paste them, read over them a couple of times...............whil e people like me, sit on their couch with a their notebook on thier lap, watchin g TV, while clickin to a dozen different websites, while talkin to to my girlfriend, while writing an email......

you really are the biggest homo on this site.........and here , i left teh spelling errors in, so you can read over my posting and melt grandma

lol @ "probably type your messages in word then paste them"

[KevinP85]

the thing i find most strange... is that there are no off season pics of kyoshi...
i saw his offseason diet, now i want to see the offseason pics...

So do you think he is a user?? That being said, didn't you claim natural yourself a few years back when you posted pics, if that was you??