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Updated: Wed., Dec. 1, 2010, 4:25 AM 
Here's the real disgrace
By MICHAEL GOODWIN


Last Updated: 4:25 AM, December 1, 2010

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The international clamor and juicy gossip surrounding the WikiLeaks fiasco are obscuring critical facts. Sweep away the smoke to see the Big Picture:

FIRST, the Obama administration did nothing to stop this disaster when it had a chance. The almost-certain leaker, Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, was hostile to the military as far back as January. That month, he wrote on his Facebook page, "Bradley Manning didn't want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast," according to London's Daily Telegraph.

It reports that in May, serving at a base near Baghdad, he changed his status to "Bradley Manning is now left with the sinking feeling that he doesn't have anything left."

Five days later, Manning, openly gay and half-British, wrote that he was "livid" after being "lectured by ex-boyfriend." He was arrested that month for leaking a video of a helicopter attack, and is still being held. By then, he already had downloaded 250,000 documents and given them to WikiLeaks, an anti-American site based in Iceland.

The first batch, released in July, detailed US battle reports in Afghanistan and included the names of informants.

Manning is no whistleblower. He is a traitor and should be charged with treason. He betrayed his nation in a time of war.

SECOND, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was derelict in not trying to stop the release. It was not until Saturday, when it was well-known the documents were about to be published, that a State Department lawyer wrote to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and told him to stop. That's pathetically little and late.

Clinton now calls the release "illegal" and says publication "puts people's lives in danger, threatens our national security and undermines our efforts to work with other countries."

Granted -- so why didn't she move hell and high water to block it? Her failure to act is a major black mark against her.

THIRD, nobody in government, except Manning, has been held responsible. That must change. How can it be that a lowly, twisted private could get access to so much confidential communication and download it with nobody knowing?

One sleuth we can't count on is Attorney General Eric Holder. He talked tough about a probe, then left for Switzerland to lobby for bringing the 2022 World Cup soccer games to the United States.

Maybe he'll run into Assange on this outrageous junket.

FOURTH, The New York Times, the only American paper to get the documents, should not have published them.

The Times says it got them from The Guardian, a left-wing British paper, and denies it is "partnering" with WikiLeaks. That's a distinction without a difference.

"We have edited out any information that could identify confidential sources -- including informants, dissidents, academics and human-rights activists -- or otherwise compromise national security," Times executive editor Bill Keller told readers.

Yet Keller admitted the Times told WikiLeaks what it was withholding. That reflects an undeserved trust that WikiLeaks will not flag that information for our enemies.

The Times also forfeits its claim to being a neutral observer. It can't very well say the documents aren't newsworthy after devoting pages to them. Nor can it criticize the White House for failing to safeguard them, after being the instrument of their release.

FIFTH, why is President Obama hiding?

The White House press secretary said only that Obama was "not happy" with the release. The president, meanwhile, is trying to look busy, busy on other things. Monday, he announced his plan to freeze federal wages, and yesterday, he gave a short speech after meeting with GOP leaders.

He took no questions and never mentioned the largest security breach in American history.

HE'S THE BOSS

"There will be one person in charge. Make no mistake about that."

With that declaration, Mayor Bloomberg aimed to put to rest the idea that new Chancellor Cathie Black would be sharing power with her chief academic deputy. Legally, he's right, but there is another, inadvertent meaning to the mayor's words as well.

With Joel Klein moving off stage, and with Black's education views a blank slate, the mayor, more than ever, becomes "the one person in charge."

Nine years into his reign, Bloomy's decision to replace Klein removes a buffer and any plausible deniability. Their good-cop, bad-cop routine insulated the mayor from most school failures, while earning him national praise for its successes.

Klein treated the teachers union as a piñata, while the mayor gave them raises of 43 percent without demanding major reforms. The unpopular Klein became a lightning rod, and Bloomy got a third term by floating above the messy details.

Over time, the act evolved into a true contradiction. Bloomberg eventually concluded he needed better relations with the union and a better manager at the Department of Education. His opening came when city scores plummeted after the state toughened tests and raised passing rates, effectively erasing four years of city gains.

To get Black approved for the job, Bloomberg had to promise she would promote an experienced educator with wide latitude. Ever sensitive to prerogative, he now prefers to cast that credential compromise as incidental.

It was not because state officials were prepared to block Black if the mayor had not capitulated. In the end, as I predicted, they found a way to get what they wanted while giving Bloomberg his choice.

But that choice creates a new dynamic, one that directly exposes the mayor to school results. If Black makes measurable progress, he will get full credit for thinking boldly.

If she fails, he'll be on the hook big time for appointing someone ill suited for the job.

Either way, it's his baby now.

It's $uper sergeant!

The Port Authority is taking heat over a sergeant who earned nearly $30,000 in overtime in just 16 days. Sgt. John Farrell was working at JFK in September while about 80 heads of state arrived for the UN General Assembly.

The Post reports Farrell averaged 16 hours of OT each day. If so, there's no sense getting mad at a man with such awesome powers. Working so many extra hours on top of a normal 8-hour shift would mean he worked 24 hours a day.

Farrell is obviously Superman. Or something else.

Longing for Dubya

A liberal friend, a big Democratic fund-raiser, sees the light. After railing against Obama as a confused and confusing president, he concluded with this: "You know, I watched George Bush's whole interview on 'The Today Show' and I realized I missed him. I didn't like him or his policies, but at least you know who he was and what he believed. I miss that."

More hot air from Gore

Al Gore is coming clean about clean energy. In a speech in Greece, he said ethanol subsidies he sup ported were wrong, and confessed: "One of the rea sons I made that mistake is that I paid particular atten tion to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fond ness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president." He is not forgiven.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 09:50:31 AM »
White House: Clinton didn't order diplomats to spy
(AP) – 5 hours ago


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's spokesman is labeling as "ridiculous" an assertion by the founder of WikiLeaks that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton should resign if she was involved in asking U.S. diplomats to gather intelligence at the United Nations.

In an online interview with Time magazine from an undisclosed location, founder Julian Assange on Tuesday called on Clinton to resign "if it can be shown that she was responsible for ordering U.S. diplomatic figures to engage in espionage in the United Nations" in violation of international agreements.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday that Assange's statements "are both ridiculous and absurd." Clinton, he said, has done nothing wrong, and U.S. diplomats do not engage in spying. He spoke in an interview on NBC's "Today" show.

State Department officials said Tuesday that secret instructions to American diplomats to gather sensitive personal information about foreign leaders originated from the U.S. intelligence community but did not require diplomats to spy. Requests for DNA and biometric data on foreign officials were contained in leaked classified cables published by WikiLeaks.

"Secretary Clinton is doing a great job," Gibbs said. "The president has great confidence in and admires the work that Secretary Clinton has done."

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 09:53:17 AM »
Treasonous? Really?

Too many people throw treasonous around... I don't even think you guys know what it means.

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

None of this is treasonous... What is treasonous is the way people seem to be conspiring against the current administration.

THAT is much more treasonous.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 09:57:23 AM »
Treasonous? Really?

Too many people throw treasonous around... I don't even think you guys know what it means.

Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

None of this is treasonous... What is treasonous is the way people seem to be conspiring against the current administration.

THAT is much more treasonous.

He purposely leaked classified intel that placed lives in danger, subverted the government and can easily be viewed as an attempt to overthrow the current administration.

He's a traitor.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 09:59:51 AM »
FIRST, the Obama administration did nothing to stop this disaster when it had a chance. The almost-certain leaker, Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, was hostile to the military as far back as January. That month, he wrote on his Facebook page, "Bradley Manning didn't want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast," according to London's Daily Telegraph.

It reports that in May, serving at a base near Baghdad, he changed his status to "Bradley Manning is now left with the sinking feeling that he doesn't have anything left."

Five days later, Manning, openly gay and half-British, wrote that he was "livid" after being "lectured by ex-boyfriend." He was arrested that month for leaking a video of a helicopter attack, and is still being held. By then, he already had downloaded 250,000 documents and given them to WikiLeaks, an anti-American site based in Iceland.

The first batch, released in July, detailed US battle reports in Afghanistan and included the names of informants.

Manning is no whistleblower. He is a traitor and should be charged with treason. He betrayed his nation in a time of war.



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I definately agree tht this twink needs a bullet in the head. 

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 10:05:27 AM »
The next WikiLeaks Installment is Going to be about a Big Wall street bank.....

Hopefully Goldman Sachs...



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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 10:06:14 AM »
The next WikiLeaks Installment is Going to be about a Big Wall street bank.....

Hopefully Goldman Sachs...




I'm guessing BofA.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 10:25:23 AM »
He purposely leaked classified intel that placed lives in danger, subverted the government and can easily be viewed as an attempt to overthrow the current administration.

He's a traitor.

Hardly...

You really have thrown that word around lately... Obama is a traitor... This cat is a traitor... How come it's only people on the left that are traitors?

They have some lock on it?

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 10:46:57 AM »
I'm guessing BofA.

I'm hearing Bank of America...However, Goldman would be more interesting me thinks, given there history of making money at the expense of there customers...And with their HFT algorithms, that allow them to "front run"...


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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 10:49:44 AM »
I'm hearing Bank of America...However, Goldman would be more interesting me thinks, given there history of making money at the expense of there customers...And with their HFT algorithms, that allow them to "front run"...



Bingo -   but see my orzag thread regarding Citi.


I also posted a good BOA thread you will like today.   

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 10:56:15 AM »
Hardly...

You really have thrown that word around lately... Obama is a traitor... This cat is a traitor... How come it's only people on the left that are traitors?

They have some lock on it?


Where have I called Obama a traitor? And what do people on the left have to do with this? This Manning guy is on the left? He's just a douche bag in my book.

Stealing state secrets, leaking them and working to subvert the government = treason.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 11:05:11 AM »
FIRST, the Obama administration did nothing to stop this disaster when it had a chance. The almost-certain leaker, Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, was hostile to the military as far back as January. That month, he wrote on his Facebook page, "Bradley Manning didn't want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast," according to London's Daily Telegraph.

It reports that in May, serving at a base near Baghdad, he changed his status to "Bradley Manning is now left with the sinking feeling that he doesn't have anything left."

Five days later, Manning, openly gay and half-British, wrote that he was "livid" after being "lectured by ex-boyfriend."


SO LET US GET THIS STRAIGHT...

You are now pissed that Obama didn't personally call up this 21-year old who posted on FB that he was livid about something his ex-boyfriend did, and had a sinking feeling there was nothing left?

Geeeeez dude. You want the govt to stay out of our affairs, but you also want them to investigate americans for FB posts about their love lives?

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 11:07:04 AM »

SO LET US GET THIS STRAIGHT...

You are now pissed that Obama didn't personally call up this 21-year old who posted on FB that he was livid about something his ex-boyfriend did, and had a sinking feeling there was nothing left?

Geeeeez dude. You want the govt to stay out of our affairs, but you also want them to investigate americans for FB posts about their love lives?


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Are you really this dense? 

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 11:07:29 AM »
Where have I called Obama a traitor? And what does people on the left have this? This Manning guy is on the left? He's just a douche bag in my book.

Stealing state secrets, leaking them and working to subvert the government = treason.

Sorry BF... I was reading through stuff and it sounded like 33333s postings... That's why I "assumed", wrongfully, that it was his dislike of the left. Also why I mentioned Obama being a traitor... He's said it more than once.

I agree he's a douchebag, but I don't find it treasonous. I don't see where he's trying to overthrow the government, just shed light on it.

This is no different than any other news person.

I should have read a little more thoroughly. My bad.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 11:10:27 AM »
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Are you really this dense? 

What should obama have done about this FB post?

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 11:10:47 AM »
Sorry BF... I was reading through stuff and it sounded like 33333s postings... That's why I "assumed", wrongfully, that it was his dislike of the left. Also why I mentioned Obama being a traitor... He's said it more than once.

I agree he's a douchebag, but I don't find it treasonous. I don't see where he's trying to overthrow the government, just shed light on it.

This is no different than any other news person.

I should have read a little more thoroughly. My bad.


Manning is a traitor.  sorry - he should be shot in the head with a .22 from 100 yards, watch the guy walk towards him with a .45 and then that guy caps his ass.  

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 11:12:23 AM »
What should obama have done about this FB post?

FIRST, the Obama administration did nothing to stop this disaster when it had a chance. The almost-certain leaker, Army Pfc. Bradley Manning, was hostile to the military as far back as January. That month, he wrote on his Facebook page, "Bradley Manning didn't want this fight. Too much to lose, too fast," according to London's Daily Telegraph.

It reports that in May, serving at a base near Baghdad, he changed his status to "Bradley Manning is now left with the sinking feeling that he doesn't have anything left."

Five days later, Manning, openly gay and half-British, wrote that he was "livid" after being "lectured by ex-boyfriend." He was arrested that month for leaking a video of a helicopter attack, and is still being held. By then, he already had downloaded 250,000 documents and given them to WikiLeaks, an anti-American site based in Iceland.
The first batch, released in July, detailed US battle reports in Afghanistan and included the names of informants.

Manning is no whistleblower. He is a traitor and should be charged with treason. He betrayed his nation in a time of war.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 11:13:33 AM »
Manning is a traitor.  sorry - he should be shot in the head with a .22 from 100 yards, watch the guy walk towards him with a .45 and then that guy caps his ass.  

One person's traitor is another person's revolutionary.

I get where you guys are coming from, but I have read a lot about this and there's a lot of discrepancy as to whether he caused any harm to national security.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 11:18:25 AM »
Over 2.5 million civilian and military personal had access to the network and database where he got this shit from, it was bound to happen.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 11:20:19 AM »
Over 2.5 million civilian and military personal had access to the network and database where he got this shit from, it was bound to happen.

Could be - but why take an oath in the first place? 

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 11:26:59 AM »
Could be - but why take an oath in the first place? 

Some people would says he is following that oath... it says protecting the country against enemies foreign AND domestic.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 11:30:58 AM »
Some people would says he is following that oath... it says protecting the country against enemies foreign AND domestic.

Sorry - a gay twink at his level is not the one to make that call.   

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 11:33:19 AM »
He's a traitor.
no offense, but how is he a "traitor" if he's not even from America?

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 11:34:23 AM »
no offense, but how is he a "traitor" if he's not even from America?

I'm not talking about Assange.

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Re: Here's the real disgrace in Wikileaks -The Obama Admn's Incompetence
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 11:35:03 AM »
no offense, but how is he a "traitor" if he's not even from America?

Manning is - Assange is just the messenger.