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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #125 on: January 05, 2011, 11:28:53 AM »
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Really?  Because last time I asked for the specific minute and second of those videos where Obama said "I liked high gas prices in Chicago" which is what you claimed.  You didn't provide that.  You can't provide that.  Because you are just whining and spouting your usual lies and bullshit.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #126 on: January 05, 2011, 11:29:40 AM »
As well as perceived supply and perceived demand.  

Funny - enviro kooks never think the laws of basic economics ever apply to oil or other goods.    

You're right... It's all speculation. But it isn't "supply and demand" as you are stating.

That's why the people are called "speculators" and we don't use anymore oil than we did 10 years ago, if anything, we use less, so why does the price go up?

OPEC.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #127 on: January 05, 2011, 11:30:40 AM »
You're right... It's all speculation. But it isn't "supply and demand" as you are stating.

That's why the people are called "speculators" and we don't use anymore oil than we did 10 years ago, if anything, we use less, so why does the price go up?

OPEC.

and inflation since oil is prices in US dollars which are not greatly devalued due to the FED printng scams.   

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #128 on: January 05, 2011, 11:31:29 AM »
and inflation since oil is prices in US dollars which are not greatly devalued due to the FED printng scams.   

True, but inflation hasn't gone up 200% like oil prices have, so what percentage of inflation can you attribute to the rise in oil prices?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #129 on: January 05, 2011, 11:32:41 AM »
True, but inflation hasn't gone up 200% like oil prices have, so what percentage of inflation can you attribute to the rise in oil prices?

Don't know, its a portion, as is the OPEC portion, as is the supply and demand portion, as is the speculation portion, etc.   


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #130 on: January 05, 2011, 11:33:18 AM »
Again, that is NOT saying "I like the high prices in Chicago" like you claimed.

Two different things.  Looks like I was right.  More bullshit and crying from you.

C'mon....you know exactly what Obama was implying....  how about saying "No, I don't want prices to be $5 a gallon" instead of implying he was "ok" with them being $5, just that they get there more slowly...

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #131 on: January 05, 2011, 11:35:23 AM »
C'mon....you know exactly what Obama was implying....  how about saying "No, I don't want prices to be $5 a gallon" instead of implying he was "ok" with them being $5, just that they get there more slowly...

It wasn't a question of what Obama was implying, but what 333 was implying.

He specifically said Obama liked high gas prices.  Not that he was aware of the price increasing, not that he was "ok" with it being $5, etc..  333 said Obama LIKED HIGH GAS PRICES.

I asked for proof of this and not a damn thing.  Which isn't unusual from his end.  Just more crying and hyperbole bullshit.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #132 on: January 05, 2011, 11:36:19 AM »
Don't know, its a portion, as is the OPEC portion, as is the supply and demand portion, as is the speculation portion, etc.  



So you have to admit that it's going to go up either way because actual "supply and demand" has gone down because we drive less SUVs and more hybrids and better mileage cars then we did 6-10 years ago, correct?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #133 on: January 05, 2011, 11:37:32 AM »
It wasn't a question of what Obama was implying, but what 333 was implying.

He specifically said Obama liked high gas prices.  Not that he was aware of the price increasing, not that he was "ok" with it being $5, etc..  333 said Obama LIKED HIGH GAS PRICES.

I asked for proof of this and not a damn thing.  Which isn't unusual from his end.  Just more crying and hyperbole bullshit.

Hey jerkoff - how about instead of being the dumbest poster on this site you watch the vids of Dear Messia i posted.   

He specifically said "Govt should send price signals to alter behavior"


Guess what that means you stupid fuck?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #134 on: January 05, 2011, 11:39:24 AM »
Again, that is NOT saying "I like the high prices in Chicago" like you claimed.

Two different things.  Looks like I was right.  More bullshit and crying from you.


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #135 on: January 05, 2011, 11:40:40 AM »
Hey jerkoff - how about instead of being the dumbest poster on this site you watch the vids of Dear Messia i posted.   

He specifically said "Govt should send price signals to alter behavior"


Guess what that means you stupid fuck?

But doesn't mean "I like high gas prices" does it.  Two different things. 

Perhaps next time your little bullshit hyperbole won't have you with both feet in your mouth.  Though I doubt it.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #136 on: January 05, 2011, 11:41:40 AM »


Minute and second of the video where Obama plainly states "I like high gas prices".  Can you provide it?

No, you can't.  Just another time you were mouthing off and got popped for it.  Now continue with your exaggerating and crying.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #137 on: January 05, 2011, 11:42:44 AM »
But doesn't mean "I like high gas prices" does it.  Two different things. 

Perhaps next time your little bullshit hyperbole won't have you with both feet in your mouth.  Though I doubt it.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #138 on: January 05, 2011, 11:43:39 AM »
So he didn't say those words did he?

Yeah.... I knew he didn't.  You were just lying again.  Must suck to get busted in them on here all the time.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #139 on: January 05, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »
Minute and second of the video where Obama plainly states "I like high gas prices".  Can you provide it?

No, you can't.  Just another time you were mouthing off and got popped for it.  Now continue with your exaggerating and crying.

"I would have preferred a more gradual clomb to these prices"



GUESS WHAT THAT MEANS JACKASS?  

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #140 on: January 05, 2011, 11:52:18 AM »
Sure as shit doesn't mean it is the same as "I like high gas prices".

Why don't you just admit you were exaggerating as usual instead of making yourself look like a bigger fool?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #141 on: January 05, 2011, 12:06:13 PM »
Sure as shit doesn't mean it is the same as "I like high gas prices".

Why don't you just admit you were exaggerating as usual instead of making yourself look like a bigger fool?


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You are splitting hairs to try to get out of this you fool.   Its not working at all.   


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #142 on: January 05, 2011, 12:29:56 PM »
Updated: Sat., Jun. 19, 2010, 4:31 AM 
$7-a-gallon gas?
By BEN LIEBERMAN

www.nypost.com

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President Obama has a solution to the Gulf oil spill: $7-a-gallon gas.

That's a Harvard University study's estimate of the per-gallon price of the president's global-warming agenda. And Obama made clear this week that this agenda is a part of his plan for addressing the Gulf mess.

So what does global-warming legislation have to do with the oil spill?

Good question, because such measures wouldn't do a thing to clean up the oil or fix the problems that led to the leak.

The answer can be found in Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's now-famous words, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste -- and what I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before."

That sure was true of global-warming policy, and especially the cap-and-trade bill. Many observers thought the measure, introduced last year in the House by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Edward Markey (D-Mass.), was dead: The American people didn't seem to think that the so-called global-warming crisis justified a price-hiking, job-killing, economy-crushing redesign of our energy supply amid a fragile recovery. Passing another major piece of legislation, one every bit as unpopular as ObamaCare, appeared unlikely in an election year.

So Obama and congressional proponents of cap-and-trade spent several months rebranding it -- downplaying the global-warming rationale and claiming that it was really a jobs bill (the so-called green jobs were supposed to spring from the new clean-energy economy) and an energy-independence bill (that will somehow stick it to OPEC).

Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) even reportedly declined to introduce their new cap-and-trade proposal in the Senate on Earth Day, because they wanted to de-emphasize the global-warming message. Instead, Kerry called the American Power Act "a plan that creates jobs and sets us on a course toward energy independence and economic resurgence."

But the new marketing strategy wasn't working. Few believe the green-jobs hype -- with good reason. In Spain, for example, green jobs have been an expensive bust, with each position created requiring, on average, $774,000 in government subsidies. And the logic of getting us off oil imports via a unilateral measure that punishes American coal, oil and natural gas never made any sense at all.

Now the president is repackaging cap-and-trade -- again -- as a long-term solution to the oil spill. But it's the same old agenda, a huge energy tax that will raise the cost of gasoline and electricity high enough so that we're forced to use less.

The logic linking cap-and-trade to the spill in the Gulf should frighten anyone who owns a car or truck. Such measures force up the price at the pump -- Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs thinks it "may require gas prices greater than $7 a gallon by 2020" to meet Obama's stated goal of reducing emissions 14 percent from the transportation sector.

Of course, doing so would reduce gasoline use and also raise market share for hugely expensive alternative fuels and vehicles that could never compete otherwise. Less gasoline demand means less need for drilling and thus a slightly reduced chance of a repeat of the Deepwater Horizon spill -- but only slightly. Oil will still be a vital part of America's energy mix.

Oil-spill risks should be addressed directly -- such as finding out why the leak occurred and requiring new preventive measures or preparing an improved cleanup plan for the next incident. Cap-and-trade is no fix and would cause trillions of dollars in collateral economic damage along the way.

Emanuel was wrong. The administration shouldn't view each crisis -- including the oil spill -- as an opportunity to be exploited, but as a problem to be addressed. And America can't afford $7-a-gallon gas.

Ben Lieberman is senior analyst of energy and environmental policy in The Heritage Founda tion's Roe Institute.


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #143 on: January 05, 2011, 12:32:07 PM »

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You are splitting hairs to try to get out of this you fool.   Its not working at all.   



Me?  HAHA.  You made a claim that you can't provide proof for.  But yeah... I am the one trying to get out of it.

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Keep trying.  Or else admit your usual exaggeration only has basis in the daily whining and crying you do.  Kind of sucks when you get called on your bullshit and start running in circles doesn't it?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #144 on: January 05, 2011, 12:45:55 PM »
Pull out a thesaurus jackass.     What do you think "I would have PREFERRED pricies to have gone up more gradually" mean to you? 

Obama needs and likes energy prices sky high in order to push his enviro-freak agenda.     

He said specifically:   "Under my plan, rates will skyrocket, they will push that along to consumers"


What does that mean to you moron? 

 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #145 on: January 05, 2011, 03:11:02 PM »
Still doesn't mean "I like high gas prices".

Still doesn't mean you are anything but a crying whinebag that just got popped exaggerated out of your ass again.

Come back, try again.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #146 on: January 05, 2011, 03:21:21 PM »
Stop the word games.  He said "preferred" them go up up slower than they were.  What does that mean to you? 

Additionally he already stated his goal is to skyrocket energy prices for people, or did you miss that too? 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2011, 05:48:28 PM »
What HE said and what YOU claimed he said isn't the same thing.

Now why not admit you were exaggerating in your crying and whining and move along?  Why continue to chase your tail in circles when the facts have cleared illustrated you were doing your typical bullshit exaggerating.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2011, 06:51:29 AM »
What HE said and what YOU claimed he said isn't the same thing.

Now why not admit you were exaggerating in your crying and whining and move along?  Why continue to chase your tail in circles when the facts have cleared illustrated you were doing your typical bullshit exaggerating.

Why would Obama prefer gas prices to go UP, for any reason, at any pace?


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #149 on: January 06, 2011, 07:28:08 AM »
Why would Obama prefer gas prices to go UP, for any reason, at any pace?



I never said he did or didn't.  I said that he plainly did not say that he liked high gas prices like 333 claimed he did.