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I agree unless energy prices lower Americans will vote with their wallets.  Obama will likely be gone. 

However, drilling offshore will not provide what is needed.  It will not lower prices substantially nor will it stop Americas reliance on foreign oil.  It's a smoke screen, a red herring.  The issue is not where will the oil come from, but when do we start funding investment into alternatives.  When do we decide that this roller coaster is only trending up and it's best we get off before it's too late.  Put our best and brightest onto it and within 10 years, the same amount of time to get ANWR's pitiful reserves up and running, i'm confident we will have a sustainable solution.   
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I agree unless energy prices lower Americans will vote with their wallets.  Obama will likely be gone. 

However, drilling offshore will not provide what is needed.  It will not lower prices substantially nor will it stop Americas reliance on foreign oil.  It's a smoke screen, a red herring.  The issue is not where will the oil come from, but when do we start funding investment into alternatives.  When do we decide that this roller coaster is only trending up and it's best we get off before it's too late.  Put our best and brightest onto it and within 10 years, the same amount of time to get ANWR's pitiful reserves up and running, i'm confident we will have a sustainable solution.   

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Money is tied up in new Lybian war of choice.   

Oh please don't try to derail this thread into a Libya Obama thread.  There is enough spam on that subject already.
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I agree unless energy prices lower Americans will vote with their wallets.  Obama will likely be gone. 

However, drilling offshore will not provide what is needed.  It will not lower prices substantially nor will it stop Americas reliance on foreign oil.  It's a smoke screen, a red herring.  The issue is not where will the oil come from, but when do we start funding investment into alternatives.  When do we decide that this roller coaster is only trending up and it's best we get off before it's too late.  Put our best and brightest onto it and within 10 years, the same amount of time to get ANWR's pitiful reserves up and running, i'm confident we will have a sustainable solution.   

A big part of the problem is refining capability, we are maxed out, haven't built a new refinery in 30 years.
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Oh please don't try to derail this thread into a Libya Obama thread.  There is enough spam on that subject already.

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A big part of the problem is refining capability, we are maxed out, haven't built a new refinery in 30 years.

Because we don't have the oil to refine.  By the end of 2010 there was a 5 million barrel a day shortfall.  Exxon predicts it will find .95 barrels for every barrel it produces.  The only oil left of large quantities is energy intensive and costly to get.  It relies on cheap natural gas prices and high oil prices.   
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Because we don't have the oil to refine.  By the end of 2010 there was a 5 million barrel a day shortfall.  Exxon predicts it will find .95 barrels for every barrel it produces.  The only oil left of large quantities is energy intensive and costly to get.  It relies on cheap natural gas prices and high oil prices.  

I have heard enough from people in the industry, that statement is BS, so is peak oil. The people who drill for oil simply shut down well....... until the price gets to where they want it, then start them up again.

But our refineries run at 100% capacity ???
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I have heard enough from people in the industry, that statement is BS, so is peak oil. The people who drill for oil simply shut down well....... until the price gets to where they want it, then start them up again.

But our refineries run at 100% capacity ???

Oil will never disappear, in our lifetime anyway, that is true.  But there is coming a time when the amount of oil needed out weighs the amount of oil found and produced.  According to the IEA that was 2009. 

The only oil found now is costly to extract and refine, leading to higher costs overall.   So you can live with triple digit oil, or you can find an alternative. 



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Oil will never disappear, in our lifetime anyway, that is true.  But there is coming a time when the amount of oil needed out weighs the amount of oil found and produced.  According to the IEA that was 2009. 

The only oil found now is costly to extract and refine, leading to higher costs overall.   So you can live with triple digit oil, or you can find an alternative. 





I don't believe that... According to sources there are many wells in places like texas and what not where they are simply capped over and have loads of oil in them.

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I don't believe that... According to sources there are many wells in places like texas and what not where they are simply capped over and have loads of oil in them.

American oil production has halved since the 70's.  It peaked in 1970 i believe.  An oil well is not pumped dry, they have economic formulas that allow them to determine when it makes sense to abandon a well.  

"When the economic limit is raised, the life of the well is shortened and proven oil reserves are lost. Conversely, when the economic limit is lowered, the life of the well is lengthened.

When the economic limit is reached, the well becomes a liability and is abandoned. In this process, tubing is removed from the well and sections of well bore are filled with cement to isolate the flow path between gas and water zones from each other, as well as the surface. Completely filling the well bore with cement is costly and unnecessary. The surface around the wellhead is then excavated, and the wellhead and casing are cut off, a cap is welded in place and then buried.

At the economic limit there often is still a significant amount of unrecoverable oil left in the reservoir. It might be tempting to defer physical abandonment for an extended period of time, hoping that the oil price will go up or that new supplemental recovery techniques will be perfected. However, lease provisions and governmental regulations usually require quick abandonment; liability and tax concerns also may favor abandonment.

In theory an abandoned well can be reentered and restored to production (or converted to injection service for supplemental recovery or for downhole hydrocarbons storage), but reentry often proves to be difficult mechanically and not cost effective"
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Petrobras gets permit for U.S. deep waters
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WASHINGTON, March 18 (UPI) -- Washington has given Petrobras America Inc. permission to start oil and gas production in the Gulf of Mexico, a regulator said.

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement gave Petrobras approval to use a floating production storage offloading facility at its Cascade-Chinook project in the Gulf of Mexico.

The approval marks the first time FPSO technology will be used in U.S. waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

The oil and gas project is about 165 miles off the coast of Louisiana in 8,200 feet of water. The FPSO has a production capacity of 80,000 barrels of oil and 16 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.

The BOEMRE approved the production safety system permit and a supplemental deep-water operating plan from Petrobras. The regulatory agency said it was satisfied that operations would be safe from hurricanes and other natural disasters.

"These regulatory approvals pave the way for safe, new production of oil and gas resources in the Gulf of Mexico," BOEMRE Director Michael R. Bromwich said in a statement.

Noble Energy in early March was awarded a BOEMRE permit to drill in the Mississippi Canyon block about 70 miles south of the Louisiana coast.

The permit was for what the BOEMRE described as a bypass well meant to drill around a mechanical problem in the original hole.

Deep-water exploration is under scrutiny following the April oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The U.S. government lifted a moratorium on deep-water drilling in October, six months after the Deepwater Horizon oil rig caught fire and sank in the Gulf of Mexico.


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Petrobras gets permit for U.S. deep waters
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WASHINGTON, March 18 (UPI) -- Washington has given Petrobras America Inc. permission to start oil and gas production in the Gulf of Mexico, a regulator said.

The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement gave Petrobras approval to use a floating production storage offloading facility at its Cascade-Chinook project in the Gulf of Mexico.

The approval marks the first time FPSO technology will be used in U.S. waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

The oil and gas project is about 165 miles off the coast of Louisiana in 8,200 feet of water. The FPSO has a production capacity of 80,000 barrels of oil and 16 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.

The BOEMRE approved the production safety system permit and a supplemental deep-water operating plan from Petrobras. The regulatory agency said it was satisfied that operations would be safe from hurricanes and other natural disasters.

"These regulatory approvals pave the way for safe, new production of oil and gas resources in the Gulf of Mexico," BOEMRE Director Michael R. Bromwich said in a statement.

Noble Energy in early March was awarded a BOEMRE permit to drill in the Mississippi Canyon block about 70 miles south of the Louisiana coast.

The permit was for what the BOEMRE described as a bypass well meant to drill around a mechanical problem in the original hole.

Deep-water exploration is under scrutiny following the April oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The U.S. government lifted a moratorium on deep-water drilling in October, six months after the Deepwater Horizon oil rig caught fire and sank in the Gulf of Mexico.


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Would love to hear one of the Obama drones justify that.

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Good news for Petrobras investors
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Good news for Petrobras investors

Yeah, like George Soros.  And obama the Traitor gave them 2 Billion via te import export bank. 

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Good news for Petrobras investors

Your lack of outrage when you sat there crying and defending Obama's decision to hold back permits for US firms speaks wonders.  :-\

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Your lack of outrage when you sat there crying and defending Obama's decision to hold back permits for US firms speaks wonders.  :-\

I want him to hold back permits for all companies.  Hence my statement it's good for Petrobras investors.  Not necessarily for America.  All it does is provide false hope. 
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The possible benefits to triple digit oil.  During the 2007 peak of oil prices, Chinese steel production shrunk by 20%, whilst US steel production grew by 10%.  Could a world with higher oil prices actually mean a more competitive manufacturing market?  As the cost of shipping from China becomes like a tariff will we see jobs coming back to America again?

Something to think about.
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The possible benefits to triple digit oil.  During the 2007 peak of oil prices, Chinese steel production shrunk by 20%, whilst US steel production grew by 10%.  Could a world with higher oil prices actually mean a more competitive manufacturing market?  As the cost of shipping from China becomes like a tariff will we see jobs coming back to America again?

Something to think about.

Shipping costs. The fuel cost needed for shipping products globally compresses margins and causes capital to flow to more efficient centers of production.

Triple digit oil and the economic cost associated with it still outweighs these gains.

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Industry: No such thing as ‘idle leases’
Fuel Fix ^ | March 31, 2011 | Tom Fowler





In his speech Wednesday outlining a broad national energy strategy, President Obama cited an Interior Department report that says the oil and gas industry has vast numbers of leases sitting idle.

The study says 70 percent of federal Gulf of Mexico leases and 57 percent of federal onshore leases “are not producing or not subject to approved or pending exploration or development plans.”

The oil and gas industry has heard this before and was ready with the reply: There really is not such thing as an idle lease.

In a press call this week the American Petroleum Institute chief lobbyist Erik Milito depicted the report as blind and deaf to how companies go about exploring for oil and gas.

“The administration’s report assumes that oil and natural gas are spread uniformly across the lease acreage – suggesting that 70 percent of idle leases equates to 70 percent idled resources. As if finding oil was no more difficult than sticking a pipe in the ground,” Milito said.

Rather, when the government puts up many hundreds of thousands of acres at a time in lease sales, there’s no way all of that acreage will actually get drilled – onshore wells can cost tens of millions of dollars to drill and offshore wells hundreds of millions. And even after spending millions shooting and analyzing seismic data, there’s no guarantee a drilled well will be a successful one.

Knowing exactly where the good spots are takes a lot of work, so the practice is to use the varying amounts of pre-lease data available to put bids on as many of the acres as you believe/hope/pray will have a high probability of success.

Over on Exxon Mobil’s company blog, Ken Cohen notes that the DOI report defines “inactive leases” as areas that “may be subject to certain ancillary activities such as geophysical and geotechnical analysis, including seismic and other types of surveys.”

Did they just call a seismic survey – one of the most fundamental activities of finding oil and natural gas – ancillary? Meaning it’s not essential, secondary in nature, or extra activity?

Yes, they did. And that proves my point. You don’t have to be an industry expert to know that seismic surveys – along with a whole host of other activities – are among the most essential activities in oil and gas exploration, and anything but a sign of “inactivity.”

Exxon has more like 93 percent of its leased acreage under production or being studied and analyzed in some form, Cohen said.

Industry also finds it a bit ironic that the Department of Interior would criticize it for a lack of Gulf drilling activity given the recent drilling moratorium and the slow resumption of permitting.

“This is like leasing an apartment from the government for $20 million dollars and the government refuses to give you the keys to the apartment – then the government proceeds to complain because you are not occupying the premises,” API’s Milito said.

In all likelihood the Department of Interior knew all this already. But in the always heated/politicized war of words over energy policy, the numbers in the lease report look damning at first blush and provide good fodder for firing up the faithful.

Now before you go jumping up and down about regulators injecting politics and deceptive information into the debate, don’t forget that’s a two-way street.

Mentioning drilling permits and current pump prices in the same breath is misleading, as a permit issued today won’t really affect the supply/demand balance for months or years.

And API has no problem dropping mentions of Brazil into its talking points to whip-up the grassroots frenzy over the Obama/George Soros/Petrobras conspiracy. It lacks context (the $2 billion Ex-Im Bank loan from a few years ago was to have Brazilians buy U.S. equipment and services) and avoids the notion that increased Brazilian oil production has been touted by government and industry alike as a friendlier alternative to Middle Eastern oil.

Don’t forget: no one – not the feds or the industry – is really talking about U.S. “energy independence,” as in self-sufficiency. That ship has sailed and it’s widely accepted we’re not going to produce all the energy we consume.

The language instead is all about “energy security,” meaning we should not be held hostage to hostile sources.


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Obama says little short-term help for gas prices
Obama pushes clean energy, says he can do little to affect gas prices in the short term



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-says-little-shortterm-apf-1680912387.html?x=0&.v=4



Obama shakes hands upon his arrival at Philadelphia International Airport in Philadelphia, Wednesday, April 6, 2011. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)



Darlene Superville, Associated Press, On Wednesday April 6, 2011, 3:26 pm
FAIRLESS HILLS, Pa. (AP) -- Pitching the promise of energy independence, President Barack Obama cautioned Wednesday that it's going to be tough to transition from America's oil-dependent economy and acknowledged there's little he can do to lower gas prices over the short term.

"I'm just going to be honest with you. There's not much we can do next week or two weeks from now," the president told workers at a wind turbine plant. It's a theme Obama's struck before as he tries to show voters he's attuned to a top economic concern with gas prices pushing toward $4 a gallon.

Obama said he wants to move toward "a future where America is less dependent on foreign oil, more reliant on clean energy produced by workers like you." That will happen by reducing oil imports, tapping domestic energy sources and shifting the nation to renewable and less polluting sources of energy, such as wind, the president says. He has set a goal of reducing oil imports by one-third by 2025.

But the president said it won't happen overnight and if any politician says it's easy, "they're not telling the truth."

"Gas prices? They're going to still fluctuate until we can start making these broader changes, and that's going to take a couple of years to have serious effect," Obama said.

Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices, now averaging close to $3.70 a gallon nationwide, and suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.

"If you're complaining about the price of gas and you're only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know," Obama said laughingly. "You might want to think about a trade-in."

The president spoke at a town hall meeting at Gamesa Technology Corp., a Spanish company that makes giant turbines that use wind to generate electricity. According to the White House, it is the first overseas company of its kind to set up shop in the U.S.

Back in Washington, negotiations continued on a budget deal to avert a government shutdown Friday and Obama urged lawmakers to get it done. The president said he wants to cut spending, but not at the expense of cutting priorities like energy and education.

As fuel prices rise because of growing demand worldwide and political unrest in oil-producing nations in North Africa and the Middle East, drivers are feeling pinched at the pump. Republicans blame Obama and his policies and he, in turn, is striving to show the public that he gets it.

Gasoline prices rose another 2 cents Tuesday to a new national average of just over $3.68 a gallon, according to AAA and other sources. Obama's visit to Gamesa was his fourth energy event since March 11. He's scheduled a fifth for Friday in Indianapolis.

Obama argues that shifting to cleaner and domestic energy sources will help create jobs and boost U.S. competitiveness.

Education is another item on Obama's competitiveness agenda. That issue was to be the focus of a speech he was giving later Wednesday to the Rev. Al Sharpton's civil rights group in New York City. Obama's appearance keeps a promise he made to the National Action Network when he spoke there as a presidential candidate in 2007. Obama pledged to return, win or lose.

He returns just two days after launching his re-election bid. He is facing a key constituency that at times has scolded him for not being attentive enough to certain issues, such as double-digit black unemployment, but continues to hold him in high regard.

Obama deflects such criticism by arguing that his polices to expand the economy, create jobs and improve the education system, among other goals, will help the country as a whole, blacks included.

Ninety-five percent of blacks who voted, opted for Obama in 2008. A Gallup poll released last week showed his job approval among blacks holding at 84 percent, about the same as six months earlier.

AP National Writer Jesse Washington contributed to this report

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Obama is correct.  There is little he can do in the short term.  America needs to ween itself off oil and the sooner the better, cause it ain't getting cheaper.
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Obama is correct.  There is little he can do in the short term.  America needs to ween itself off oil and the sooner the better, cause it ain't getting cheaper.


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Obama: "I Remember What It Was Like Pumping Gas"
Real Clear Politics ^ | 6/6/11 | staff




President Obama, speaking to Al Sharpton's organization, says he is not "out of touch."

"I remember that," Obama added.

"I'm just going to be honest with you. There's not much we can do next week or two weeks from now," Obama said earlier today about gas prices.


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Obama: Don’t like gas prices? Just buy a new car!
Flopping Aces ^ | 04-08-11 | DrJohn






The man who made clear that he wanted gas prices to be higher has made good on his promises.

[VIDEO AT SITE]

Gas prices have doubled under Barack Obama. The pain visited by the higher prices will not be felt only at the pump. It will felt in many areas.


1. Transportation of Goods – While rising gas prices often lead to higher prices for a gas tank of fuel, the cost of oil is built into the price of anything. Oranges, for example, may travel several hundred or even thousands of miles from Florida. All that travel time means burning fuel, and later higher costs for oranges, even though oranges aren’t directly tied to oil. So, basically everything rises in cost after oil does.
2. Export Economies – These higher oil costs often mean economic softening in areas that are dependent on foreign purchases of goods. Take, for example, China and Vietnam which each produce a large amount of consumer products for export to the United States. Due to the distance these goods have to travel, they become more costly in foreign markets against local competitors with lower exposure to oil. Thus, exports usually decline.

3. Consumer Spending – Higher gas prices mean that shoppers are either 1) valuing more the small amount of extra money they have to spend or 2) seeing a general decline in the amount of money they can afford to spend.

4. Rising Derivative Costs – Oil may help us get from A to B in the form of gasoline, but it is also very important in making plastics and polymers, two very important materials that are used in just about everything. Higher prices for oil means higher prices for plastic and ultimately higher prices for transporting the plastics from one place to another.

And of course, home heating oil.

Barack Obama's answer to the high cost of home heating oil?

Just buy a new car!


Obama needled one questioner who asked about gas prices, now averaging close to $3.70 a gallon nationwide, and suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.
“If you’re complaining about the price of gas and you’re only getting 8 miles a gallon, you know,” Obama said laughingly. “You might want to think about a trade-in.”

[VIDEO AT SITE]

When an audience member commented that he had a family of ten kids, Obama replied:


"Well, you definitely need a hybrid van then."
Hilarious.

Except, where is one to get a hybrid van? Let's start with mini-vans.

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Gas Prices Climbing Toward $5 Per Gallon
April 11, 2011 5:53 AM


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Gas prices are spiking to $4.39 per gallon at the BP station at Congress Parkway and Dearborn Street. (Credit: CBS)


CHICAGO (CBS) – At one time, $5 per gallon gas seemed like a farfetched idea, but that is no longer the case.

As CBS 2’s Roseanne Tellez reports, as of Monday, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline in the Chicago area is $4.11, compared with $3.71 a month ago, and about $3.10 a gallon at this time a year ago.

Experts say $5 per gallon gas is likely by Memorial Day.


Drivers Monday morning were practically numb to the price spikes.

“What are you going to do?” said Shannon Thompson. “We’ve become so gas-dependent in this country. There are so many SUVs. I mean, I’ve had a hybrid. It worked great. Right now, I’m just going to deal with it.”

Prices at some gas stations were as low as $4.09, a bargain compared to the $4.29 at some service stations downtown.

LISTEN: Newsradio 780′s Bernie Tafoya reports





“It’s painful,” said Lamar Magee. “You’ve got to make a decision on where you drive and where you go nowadays.” He said he is “definitely” making changes to his routines.

Magee says it will cost him about $120 to fill up the 30-gallon tank on his van.

But even that pales in comparison to the big rigs. Truck driver Mark Kanarowski says his truck holds 200 gallons.

“It’s got to be a huge expense for the company,” Kanarowski said. “I went to St. Louis over the weekend to fill up my own car, and I was paying about $4.13 a gallon. It hurts.”

A limo driver shared his thoughts as he filled up his tank at the Des Plaines Oasis.

“Normal-sized tank, big price – when you get done at the pump, it’s killing business, and a lot of one-way trips now,” he said, “like I’m going to get somebody this morning, and I’m not bringing him home. His wife will probably bring him home, because everyone’s trying to save a little bit here, a little bit there.”

The Lundberg Survey says the national average for a gallon of regular unleaded as of Monday was $3.76. That is up 19 cents since March 18, and up 91 cents since this time last year.

The sharply rising prices hearken back memories of the summer of 2008.

That year, oil prices were driven well above $100 per barrel, and in June of that year and gas prices were well over $4 a gallon. The highest record price was $4.34 per gallon, set July 2008.

No one is eager to break that record. But with no end in sight to the turmoil in the Middle East, analysts say we’re likely to do just that – and just as holiday travelers hit the highways for Memorial Day weekend.