Top model Giselle B. makes 25-30 million a yr! Hmmm,bikini and MPD anyone?

[JOHN MATRIX]

This post is litered with redundant propaganda that has been debunked and explained to you ad nauseum.

One mistake you are making, is assuming that fashion companies can find "a new whore in a coffee shop" and make them a successful endorser for their brand. These companies choose to pay Giselle big money because she makes them many times their investment in profit, because their target consumers want to live the lifestyle and reflect the image/look Giselle provides. I can't give you a tangible reason why Giselle can increase a companies sales. Fact is, she can, though.

your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.

[pellius]

you guys still havent said what her 'skills' are.
you make it seem like shes some kind of genius who swindles these companies out of millions.
truth is, they chose her to fill a role (be the face of their brands). they just as easily could have chosen 10,000 other women to do the same exact job. her choosing was purely being in the right place at the right time, not because she has some 'ireeplaceable skills' that the others didnt 

modeling by its very nature is devoid of anything requiring practice, talent or skills. you dont determine how your face is going to look or how your fucking body is going to grow.

she might make (make, not 'earn') 30m a year, but its because she was the lucky one picked to have her pictures taken. her looks and her selection were the luck equivalent of winning the lottery, no different in any regard.

if they chose to replace her tomorrow with some new whore they discovered in a coffee shop, and started paying this new girl millions a year, would you guys be claiming the new girl 'earned' and 'deserves' 30m a year too, because her salary somehow means she has some unreplaceable 'skills'?

hahaha you make me laugh.

It really doesn't matter what her skills are. What matters is that someone is willing to pay her big money to dress up. And, yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved. If she died tomorrow they will find someone else. Of course, they will find someone else eventually because she'll grow old or maybe the ones writing the check have decided it's time for a new look. And then you'll complain about the next one.

What you resent, my friend, is the inherent unfairness of life. I understand. But there's nothing you can do about it. Tiger Woods was already a champ at 19 years old. Do you think he got to be the top golfer simply because he worked and trained harder? How could he when he simply hadn't lived long enough to put in the time and effort that his opponents, already in their 30s, did. He was born with a talent that you and I weren't.

So much of a person's life is determined on their day of birth. Do you thing you'd have the same opportunities if you were born in Dafur or North Korea? If you were born a Kennedy or Rockefeller instead of Mr. Matrix. All Paris Hilton had to do to be rich and famous is to be born a Hilton. Something that she did nothing to earn or deserve. Look at the top entertainers in music and film. Are they all in their position simply because they are the most talented, hardest workers and most deserving?

Such is life.

[body88]

your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.

It's not though, because "they" didn't make anything. Who is "they"? No one made Giselle. No one had to hire her to endorse their shit. None of these brands decided that Giselle was going to be their "it" model. Unless of course you think these brands are not out to make a profit through their endorsements.

You can put a bunch of money behind a model, and that doesn't mean that people will respond to her with their wallets. of course Giselle makes them money, why in the world would they pay her millions of dollars if she didn't? They have a business to run, and marketing drives sales.

You are the head of marketing for (insert high fashion brand). You have a 50 million dollar budget to spend on various types of marketing vehicles. You can easily pick a random hot model to endorse your brand and market the shit out of her to the masses. Why is it that time and time again fashion companies invest large chunks of their marketing budgets into Giselle when she costs 1,000,000 times more than "some whore in a coffee shop"? If your model does not resonate with your consumers, your whole marketing program is shot.

Why do it?

They do it because she sells the shit out of their products. Women respond to her and they think she is cool and they like her image.

[pellius]

your entire preconception is wrong. giesele is not some holy grail making them money...THEY MADE HER. they could have put ANY of thousands of girls in her role instead of her and the result would have been the same for them.

Maybe so. But they chose her. Who would you choose and why would your choice be any better other than what you prefer is the idea model to represent you? The fact is, it won't be. But it doesn't matter as long as you write the checks.

[JOHN MATRIX]

It really doesn't matter what her skills are. What matters is that someone is willing to pay her big money to dress up. And, yes, there is a certain amount of luck involved. If she died tomorrow they will find someone else. Of course, they will find someone else eventually because she'll grow old or maybe the ones writing the check have decided it's time for a new look. And then you'll complain about the next one.
true pellius.. its not her personally im 'hating', its the role and the absurd money it brings i find wrong.
What you resent, my friend, is the inherent unfairness of life. I understand. But there's nothing you can do about it. Tiger Woods was already a champ at 19 years old. Do you think he got to be the top golfer simply because he worked and trained harder? How could he when he simply hadn't lived long enough to put in the time and effort that his opponents, already in their 30s, did. He was born with a talent that you and I weren't.
exactly what im saying, she is there due to Luck, not because of Skill. however not comaprable to pro athletes in any way...Kobe may have been lucky to be 6-7 and athletic, but he (and other top athletes) had to develop enormous amounts of skill through endless practice to get where they are. and because of that, no one else can do what they do, therefore their high pay is warrented because they are irreplaceable. who else is going to do for the lakers what Kobe does for them? maybe 1-2 people in the world. so the pay is therefore enormous. what does gisele do that 100,000 other women couldnt do? nothing. what special skills has she had to develop over the years? nothing. she is completely replaceable. therefore her enormous pay is NOT justified.
So much of a person's life is determined on their day of birth. Do you thing you'd have the same opportunities if you were born in Dafur or North Korea? If you were born a Kennedy or Rockefeller instead of Mr. Matrix. All Paris Hilton had to do to be rich and famous is to be born a Hilton. Something that she did nothing to earn or deserve. Look at the top entertainers in music and film. Are they all in their position simply because they are the most talented, hardest workers and most deserving?

Such is life.
such is capitalism/modern day america...not 'life'.

[pellius]

thats basically what im saying bradistani.

it makes me sick to hear these guys like body88 saying that she 'deserves' and 'earns' that kind of pay 

It's simply economics. The law of supply and demand. One may make a very good argument that a teacher, police officer, fire fighter is more valuable to society than, say, a baseball pitcher. But the fact is, very few people can throw a baseball accurately a 95 mph. There's a ton of people that become a good cop, teacher and even a doctor but not many can work the court like Lebron James or Kobe.

[JOHN MATRIX]

It's simply economics. The law of supply and demand. One may make a very good argument that a teacher, police officer, fire fighter is more valuable to society than, say, a baseball pitcher. But the fact is, very few people can throw a baseball accurately a 95 mph. There's a ton of people that become a good cop, teacher and even a doctor but not many can work the court like Lebron James or Kobe.

exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.

gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.

[body88]

exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.

gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.

It is justified for the same reason the pro athletes pay is justified. The endorser, player, whatever, is entitled to a cut of the revenue that they produce.

Matrix, lets say I owned a supplement company, and I hired you to be my spokesperson. Your endorsement increases my sales by 10% and I realize an additional 10 million dollars in revenue. I choose to pay you 10% of that figure and you receive 1,000,000 for your services. Is that fair?

Baseball players and football players are replacable. Every year their is a draft where hundreds of new players enter professional sports. The cycle has been going for decades.

The fact of the matter is this...what Giselle does is not easily done, or there would be no Giselle.

[pellius]

Say, I want you to wash my car. And lets say that I just happen to like you and offer you $10,000 to do it. Would you take the money or say, "No, that's absurd. Anybody can wash a car. I won't take such an amount." Better yet, say some third party do gooder tells me that I am paying too much. That I'm allowing myself to be taken advantage of. I explain that maybe that's so and I can get a much better deal but since it's my money who should decide how I should spend it. Again, you bemoan the unfairness of life and it's one of the things that infuriates me as well but what are you going to do about it? Play God? Do we let a third party now decide how much they think you should pay someone. You may think Kobe has a talent that merits his income. There's obviously someone who think Giselle's look is such that it merits her income. I think it's nuts but it's not my money. And it's not for me to tell others how they should spend theirs.

And it is life. And not just in America. Even in poor countries there are rich people, people of privilege, that did very little or nothing to "deserve" their good fortune. You think Kim Jun Un deserves to be the next ruler of North Korea because he's the most deserving and qualified? Nope, he just happened to be the son of Kim Jun Il. And so while the rest of his country lives in unimaginable poverty he was set on the day he was born.  

[bradistani]

thats basically what im saying bradistani.

it makes me sick to hear these guys like body88 saying that she 'deserves' and 'earns' that kind of pay 

just read through the thread,.

people are claiming she's got a skill, lol  

she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.

and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.

i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position  

[pellius]

exactly. thats why THEIR high pay is justified...they are un replaceable.

gisele however...is completely replaceable. so her enormous pay is not justified.

Friend, you keep making the same argument. EVERYONE is replaceable. It's just her time in the sun. Just like our revered athletes and entertainers. You may not think her pay is justified but you're not the one paying it. Do you think you have the right to tell her employer how much they should pay her? Remember that rapper someone mentioned here that paid a million dollars for a watch? I think that's insane, a waste and almost immoral when you consider the real good the money could have been used for. But it's his money. In a free country do you want to empower a third party to unilaterally confiscate this person's wealth because they have determined that he does not spend it in a manner that they approve of?

[body88]

just read through the thread,.

people are claiming she's got a skill, lol  

she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.

and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.

i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position  

You're letting your own personal idea of beauty cloud your opinion.

Giselle has a skill. It's the ability to resonate with women and sell products. The type of money she commands as a model, is based upon the type of money she can generate for a company. Not just anyone can do that.

[pellius]

just read through the thread,.

people are claiming she's got a skill, lol  

she has a 'look' as they say in the fashion industry. a look that normal women wish they had but are to stupid to realise that this 'look' is foisted upon them by the fashion industry as desirable.

and yet, any internet forum with a 'babes thread' would show these silly bitches what us men really find attractive in women. and it's not these scrawny cows.

i agree entirely with your argument. but, if she can earn that sort of money, then good luck to her. wouldn't we all in her position  

I agree with this post.

[JOHN MATRIX]

"im the hottest woman in the world!! my modeling skills cannot be matched!! ive worked my whole life developing my superhuman talents!!! i deserve 100million dollars a yea, no other woman on earth can do what i do!!!"  

[body88]

Friend, you keep making the same argument. EVERYONE is replaceable. It's just her time in the sun. Just like our revered athletes and entertainers. You may not think her pay is justified but you're not the one paying it. Do you think you have the right to tell her employer how much they should pay her? Remember that rapper someone mentioned here that paid a million dollars for a watch? I think that's insane, a waste and almost immoral when you consider the real good the money could have been used for. But it's his money. In a free country do you want to empower a third party to unilaterally confiscate this person's wealth because they have determined that he does not spend it in a manner that they approve of?

Pellius, let me ask you a question.

If Giselle can generate 20 million dollars in sales, does she deserve the 10% cut she is taking for that skill?

[body88]

"im the hottest woman in the world!! my modeling skills cannot be matched!! ive worked my whole life developing my superhuman talents!!! i deserve 100million dollars a yea, no other woman on earth can do what i do!!!"  

Matrix, if she generated 1 billion in sales for the companies she has endorsed over her career, does she deserve the 100,000,000?

[bradistani]

You're letting your own personal idea of beauty cloud your opinion.

Giselle has a skill. It's the ability to resonate with women and sell products. The type of money she commands as a model, is based upon the type of money she can generate for a company. Not just anyone can do that.

oh come on man 

she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.

she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all

[JOHN MATRIX]

oh come on man 

she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.

she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all

he's delusional as fuck. he probably thinks paris hilton 'earned' all her money too haha

[body88]

oh come on man 

she has zero fucking skill. she's just fortunate enough to be born during a time where being tall and skinny pays for a woman.

she's a fucking clothes horse, that's all

There are MILLIONS of tall and skinny women. Why is Giselle making more than the other 999,999 zero skill clothes horses?

Since this is getting redundant I'll say it one last time, and we'll agree to disagree. Giselle makes big money because she is able to make big money for companies through her endorsements.

[Coach is Back!]

yep. this woman 'earns' (i love how they always say 'earns'  ) tens of millions of dollars a year. for what? FOR WHAT? 6 foot tall, no tits, no ass, no hips, no curves, generic face.

good ol' capitalism 

Call it what you will, she still looks very pretty with or without makeup plus from a still shot you can rarely tell, if you see them in person then you can judge but not by a random picture.

[cephissus]

Matrix is right.  Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.

Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here.  THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL.  Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.

They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly.  Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE.  She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.

Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc.  It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances.  Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.

[body88]

he's delusional as fuck. he probably thinks paris hilton 'earned' all her money too haha

Thats another terrible example, as Paris Hilton is a wealthy socialite who was exposed to all the correct people via her family's profile.

Giselle was a random model from Brazil who made it big. I've given you numerous tangible examples of why the money she is making is deserved, just like the money pro athletes make is also deserved (when you consider how much money they make for the leagues they play in).

Instead of insulting me, why don't you respond to some of my recent posts. Not sure why you are acting as if I am attacking you because I disagree with your opinion. You tipped your hand in this post.

[cephissus]

Just to prove my point: they could take any vaguely modelly looking girl TONIGHT and make a headline "NEW GIRL MAKES 50 MILLION ON FIRST CONTRACT" and INSTANTLY people would give her the same sort of clout giselle has.  Obviously they don't do this because it would upset too many people and is even more costly than is necessary.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Matrix is right.  Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.

Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here.  THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL.  Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.

They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly.  Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE.  She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.

Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc.  It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances.  Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.

thank you. this is exactly what im trying to say

[body88]

Matrix is right.  Giselle's skills are so trivial as to be depressingly commonplace.

Body88 is confusing who, exactly, has the skill here.  THE CORPORATIONS HAVE THE SKILL.  Giselle has become as irreplaceable as any top pitcher, doctor, scientist, etc. but not by her own skill, but by the cunning and craftiness of the companies she works for.

They chose her, who the hell knows why, right place right time, undoubtedly.  Then they paid her shitloads of cash FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT SHE WOULD APPEAR INVALUABLE.  She is not giving them a "return on investment" LMAO!!! The headline "GISELLE BUNDCHEN PAID 25 MILLION A YEAR" is giving them their precious ROI... THE HEADLINE.

Matrix is right -- fashion is an industry inherently devoid of skill, use-value, etc.  It is a world of sign-value -- of appearances.  Giselle has no skill of her own, could be any one of a hundred-thousand similar girls, but she won the lottery and then the fashion companies went hard to work using THEIR skills to TRICK everyone into thinking that she was so great, so that, in return, the could continue to fool people into thinking the clothes she wears are great.

So you're saying corporations don't expact an roi on their endorsements?

Why in the hell are these companies losing millions by funding a model who does nothing for them?