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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2010, 09:20:12 AM »
Slapper you are a tumbling dickweed.

Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.

The disaster in Greece has everything to do with incompatent governing, the nanny state and public employees that are too lazy or stupid to care of themselves.

Just to give you an idea of how badly Greece was run prior to this crisis; Less than a year ago the air traffic controllers in Greece went on strike because the government refused to intervene and spend the money necessary to prevent interference over the airwaves from local radio stations.

I could go down the line with 100 other similar stories of outright retardation, but a genital wart liberal such as yourself would probably applaud the idiocy of the Greek government and people as "noble" and something America should follow.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2010, 09:21:40 AM »
Slapper you are a tumbling dickweed.

Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.

The disaster in Greece has everything to do with in compatent governing, the nanny state and public employees that are too lazy or stupid to care of themselves.

Just to give you an idea of how badly Greece was run prior to this crisis; Less than a year ago the air traffic controllers in Greece went on strike because the government refused to intervene and spend the money necessary to prevent interference over the airwaves from local radio stations.

I could go down the line with 100 other similar stories of outright retardation, but a genital wart liberal such as yourself would probably applaud the idiocy of the Greek government and people as "noble" and something America should follow.

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I remember Slapper talking about his investment portfolio. Why doesn't he act like the socialist he claims to be and donate any money beyond what he needs to live to charity? Oh, that's right, it's other's money that he loves spending! Silly me.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2010, 09:21:44 AM »
the govt shouldnt run the economy PERIOOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you still have not given ONE reason, NOT EVEN ONE to why you should be given more money for doing the same job....

you sound like a disgruntled worker bro, again GO OUT AND START YOUR OWN BUSINESS IF THATS THE WAY YOU FEEL

........you don't think the government runs the economy in the USA?  Wake the fuck up and pull your head out of your ass.  America doesn't have a free market any more than Greece, France, or China does dumbass.  Regardless of your political views how can your or any sane, informed, America argue otherwise?  American government has been supporting industry and private companies for the last 100 years.  What the fuck do you think our $700 billion defense budget is spent on?  What do you think farm subsidies are?  What do you think the bank bailouts are?  Jesus fuck dude........that is the entire problem with America ........idiots like you calling a fucking spade a joker.  You don't even sound like you know the fucking differene between fascism, capitalism, and socialism.  

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2010, 09:23:23 AM »
Listen to the nurse, folks. He knows all (as he constantly points out, time and time and time again).

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2010, 09:23:48 AM »
And most of these politicall and economic arguments are completely moot without talking about the federal reserve.  That right there is the perfect example of hose fascism works.  Not socialism.  The US government taxes its people in order to bail out and support business through the corrupt and private FED.  How can you call that a free market?  LMAO!  


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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2010, 09:26:28 AM »
Listen to the nurse, folks. He knows all (as he constantly points out, time and time and time again).

 ::)  Defaulting back to me being a nurse has what being on this conversation?  Attack my points not what I do for a living dumbshit. 

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2010, 09:28:04 AM »
........you don't think the government runs the economy in the USA?  Wake the fuck up and pull your head out of your ass.  America doesn't have a free market any more than Greece, France, or China does dumbass.  Regardless of your political views how can your or any sane, informed, America argue otherwise?  American government has been supporting industry and private companies for the last 100 years.  What the fuck do you think our $700 billion defense budget is spent on?  What do you think farm subsidies are?  What do you think the bank bailouts are?  Jesus fuck dude........that is the entire problem with America ........idiots like you calling a fucking spade a joker.  You don't even sound like you know the fucking differene between fascism, capitalism, and socialism.  
THATS PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!

those things you said I have less of a problem with as opposed to the idiotic regulations they put in from time to time...

whether you agree or not the simple fact is the bail outs were needed, now we should have put much more restrictions on how the money was used but it was needed...

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2010, 09:33:20 AM »
We definately do not have a free market in any sense of the word.  We may be a freerer market than others, but a free market economy is a talking point, not a reality.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2010, 09:34:02 AM »
THATS PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!

those things you said I have less of a problem with as opposed to the idiotic regulations they put in from time to time...

whether you agree or not the simple fact is the bail outs were needed, now we should have put much more restrictions on how the money was used but it was needed...

How can you fucking sit there and lament about free market capitalism and sit there and argue that the bailouts were needed.  That's fucking stupid man!  THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS FOR ANYONE in a free market.  People have the right to get as rich as they want or go broke without any interference in a free market.  The US economy might have collapsed without the bailouts........is that what you are saying....that is why they are needed?  Fine then fucking argue that point but don't act like you are arguing in defense of a free market because in a free market AIG would have gone bankrupt and the government wouldn't be owning shares in GM, Citi, etc.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2010, 09:37:04 AM »
How can you fucking sit there and lament about free market capitalism and sit there and argue that the bailouts were needed.  That's fucking stupid man!  THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS FOR ANYONE in a free market.  People have the right to get as rich as they want or go broke without any interference in a free market.  The US economy might have collapsed without the bailouts........is that what you are saying....that is why they are needed?  Fine than fucking argue that point but don't act like you are arguing in defense of a free market because in a free market AIG would have gone bankrupt and the government wouldn't be owning shares in GM, Citi, etc.
LOL b/c in reality if we didnt bail the banks out, the ENTIRE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE SHITTER...plain and simple...

you think its bad now LOL imagine if the companies who own your house went under, provided credit to businesses, enabled individuals to invest and companies to find individuals to invest went out of business...

LMAO if you think that would have been a good thing...

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2010, 09:37:39 AM »
We definately do not have a free market in any sense of the word.  We may be a freerer market than others, but a free market economy is a talking point, not a reality.
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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2010, 09:38:53 AM »
The US economy is one big private fucking government contract. And this isn't just normal defense spending.....this is the intelligence budget that is cloaked in secrecy.  How much of our taxes are spent on propping up private corporations?  And you guys complain about the fucking unions.  LMAO!  Here's one perfect example...........

More than five years into the global "war on terror," spying has become one of the fastest-growing private industries in the United States. The federal government relies more than ever on outsourcing for some of its most sensitive work, though it has kept details about its use of private contractors a closely guarded secret. Intelligence experts, and even the government itself, have warned of a critical lack of oversight for the booming intelligence business.

On May 14, at an industry conference in Colorado sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the U.S. government revealed for the first time how much of its classified intelligence budget is spent on private contracts: a whopping 70 percent. Based on this year’s estimated budget of at least $48 billion, that would come to at least $34 billion in contracts. The figure was disclosed by Terri Everett, a senior procurement executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the agency established by Congress in 2004 to oversee the 16 agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence infrastructure. A copy of Everett's unclassified PowerPoint slide presentation, titled "Procuring the Future" and dated May 25, was obtained by Salon. (It has since become available on the DIA's Web site.) "We can't spy ... If we can't buy!" one of the slides proclaims, underscoring the enormous dependence of U.S. intelligence agencies on private sector contracts.

The DNI figures show that the aggregate number of private contracts awarded by intelligence agencies rose by about 38 percent from the mid-1990s to 2005. But the surge in outsourcing has been far more dramatic measured in dollars: Over the same period of time, the total value of intelligence contracts more than doubled, from about $18 billion in 1995 to about $42 billion in 2005.

"Those numbers are startling," said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and an expert on the U.S. intelligence budget. "They represent a transformation of the Cold War intelligence bureaucracy into something new and different that is literally dominated by contractor interests."


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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2010, 09:41:32 AM »
LOL b/c in reality if we didnt bail the banks out, the ENTIRE COUNTRY WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN THE SHITTER...plain and simple...

you think its bad now LOL imagine if the companies who own your house went under, provided credit to businesses, enabled individuals to invest and companies to find individuals to invest went out of business...

LMAO if you think that would have been a good thing...

Oh please you sound like a bureaucrat spewing fear mongering.  The US would not have collapsed and our economy would have gotten through it and perservered.  I mean for fuck's sake I thought you believed in this country, call yourself an American and believe in our innovation and ability to solve problems.  A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing.  In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes.  SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.  THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it.  Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse. 

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2010, 09:42:16 AM »
The US economy is one big private fucking government contract. And this isn't just normal defense spending.....this is the intelligence budget that is cloaked in secrecy.  How much of our taxes are spent on propping up private corporations?  And you guys complain about the fucking unions.  LMAO!  Here's one perfect example...........

More than five years into the global "war on terror," spying has become one of the fastest-growing private industries in the United States. The federal government relies more than ever on outsourcing for some of its most sensitive work, though it has kept details about its use of private contractors a closely guarded secret. Intelligence experts, and even the government itself, have warned of a critical lack of oversight for the booming intelligence business.

On May 14, at an industry conference in Colorado sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the U.S. government revealed for the first time how much of its classified intelligence budget is spent on private contracts: a whopping 70 percent. Based on this year’s estimated budget of at least $48 billion, that would come to at least $34 billion in contracts. The figure was disclosed by Terri Everett, a senior procurement executive in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the agency established by Congress in 2004 to oversee the 16 agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence infrastructure. A copy of Everett's unclassified PowerPoint slide presentation, titled "Procuring the Future" and dated May 25, was obtained by Salon. (It has since become available on the DIA's Web site.) "We can't spy ... If we can't buy!" one of the slides proclaims, underscoring the enormous dependence of U.S. intelligence agencies on private sector contracts.

The DNI figures show that the aggregate number of private contracts awarded by intelligence agencies rose by about 38 percent from the mid-1990s to 2005. But the surge in outsourcing has been far more dramatic measured in dollars: Over the same period of time, the total value of intelligence contracts more than doubled, from about $18 billion in 1995 to about $42 billion in 2005.

"Those numbers are startling," said Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists and an expert on the U.S. intelligence budget. "They represent a transformation of the Cold War intelligence bureaucracy into something new and different that is literally dominated by contractor interests."


round here mcmannus we link our sources  8)

it would be the same thing broham whether they employed this ppl through contracts or through straight employment wouldnt you agree?

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2010, 09:44:08 AM »
Oh please you sound like a bureaucrat spewing fear mongering.  The US would not have collapsed and our economy would have gotten through it and perservered.  I mean for fuck's sake I thought you believed in this country, call yourself an American and believe in our innovation and ability to solve problems.  A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing.  In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes.  SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.  THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it.  Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse. 
I didnt say it would have COLLAPSED BRAIN CHILD...but if you think we would have simply moved out of it in 10 years your a moron...

how would more ppl have stayed in their homes?

please argue away id love to hear your take on it  ;D

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2010, 09:44:42 AM »
When you add up the obligations we have with regard to trade through the WTO, NAFTA, GAT, certain IMF regs, the bailouts, the fact that many companie exist solely to get govt contracts, th fact that many gvt contracts go to the same small group of well connected corps every time, mandates the govt has reqiring us to utilize products and services benefitting certain private corps, prevailing wage laws, union work rules on many construction projects driving up the costs, onerous EPA shit, etc etc, how on earth can anyone say we have a free market?  

BTW - go try to open up a resturant in your town and see how "free" you are.  Between building code stuff, land use regs, health code stuff, liquor license bs, workers' comp, various insurances, etc, you will get more govt and intervention in your life for a lifetime.       

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2010, 09:45:07 AM »
LOL dont get it mixed up broham im not in favor of big bail outs for the "to big to fail" bull shit but you still havent given a reason or even justification for the idea that you should get paid more for doing the same job...

What does getting paid more have to do with the Greek Riots? An employee should get paid more every year because of inflation. We live in an inflationary economy and adjusting salaries to it is just and fair. Regardless of whether you "learn" something new or not. I mean, the learn something new is a bunch of hogwash, to say the least. It's Big Business' excuse to not raise worker's compensation.

I mean, if you hire a mechanic, that's exactly what you're getting, a mechanic. Whether he learns how to fix motorcycles, trucks, UFOs or cancer patients is inconsequential. His compensation MUST be tied to his production capacity. I mean, it's Economics 101. Hiring a mechanic and expecting him to become a lawyer and conditioning his compensation to how well he "adjusts" to his new role is a fucking mindnumbingly thing to insinuate. Consequently, if you adjust everyone's salary to their production capacity you will put an end to CEO's big bonuses because we all know NO CEO is producing 150 times what a regular employee makes. And that is what is happening in Big Business nowadays.

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if its their company and you dont like it go work somewhere else...BETTER YET go start your own company with your ideals, I mean Ill come work for you if im going to get 15% of the companies profits

I'm not talking about getting 15% of the profits. You're off the mark by a mile and a half. I'm talking about a comprehensive compensation package tied to the company's performance. By this I mean paid overtime, working ONLY 40 hours per week and being given ample time if I'm about to get paid off. I'm not saying I want 15% of the company's profits. That's what YOU are saying.

For the record, I currently work 60 hours per week, 6 of them on the week ends. I do not get paid for overtime. My commute is 1:45 minutes each way (meaning I spend almost 4 hours of my days either getting on or chasing trains) and I have seen the amount of money that I take home steadily decrease for the past 4 years. I have not had a bonus in the past 3 years and have gotten only moderate salary increases in the first 3 years, which WERE NOT adjusted for inflation. All the while taking on the work that was being done previously by 2 people (and were laid off of course). In the mean time, my company's CEO has gotten a 6 and 13 million bonus, a 25% salary increase and God knows how many perks.

It goes without saying that there is a gap between the compensation the CEO is getting and the one I am getting. It goes without saying that it is not fair. What are my other options? I could leave the company and go somewhere else, as you say. The main problem is twofold: 1. The industry I work in is heavily immersed in outsourcing most jobs to India and 2. Since they've laid off so many employees, there is huge talent pool out there, which drives salaries down and makes it a lot more difficult to find another job.

In essence, I have no options but to learn something new at this point.

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Im sure our production would be through the roof, right?

Ill be waiting for that pm on when you will pay my moving costs to come work for you  ;)

Look, if I had my own business and you were my employee I can assure you that I wouldn't be driving a Ferrari California and owning houses in the Hamptons and on Park Avenue unless you were making enough money to drive a Volvo XC90, putting your kids in a good school and living in a nice part of town.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2010, 09:48:26 AM »
Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying?  NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education.  The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc.  If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college.  So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.  


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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2010, 09:52:18 AM »
Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying?  NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education.  The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc.  If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college.  So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.  



Did you ever see my Schiff clip where he discussed this at length? 


Before the govt got involved inthe college business, tuition was low and barely increased in price for DECADES! 

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2010, 09:52:46 AM »
the govt shouldnt run the economy PERIOOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you still have not given ONE reason, NOT EVEN ONE to why you should be given more money for doing the same job....

you sound like a disgruntled worker bro, again GO OUT AND START YOUR OWN BUSINESS IF THATS THE WAY YOU FEEL

But who is saying that the government should run the economy dumbass??

What does being given more money based on how much you learn have to do with the Greek riots?? I mean, what do you want to talk about? I'm here to talk about the Greek riots not that... which you've just brought up.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2010, 09:54:23 AM »
What does this rambling, raving, idiotic post have to do with Greece, which is a failed socialist experiment?

The Greeks are incredibly stupid. Their little socialist experiment failed spectacularly and they had to go crawling to Germany on their hands and knees for a bailout. Now they're crying because they don't want to fix their broken system and want to continue living their lives of lethargy collecting their fat government benefits. Given that you're a socialist I know it will be hard for you to come to grips with the fact that it fails anywhere and everywhere but Greece is just another in a long line of examples.

Socialism does not, nor will it ever, work. Out of curiosity, though, just how much charitable work helping the downtrodden man do you do? I'd put a gun to my head and take the bet that you do jack shit like the typical socialist scumbag. Most socialist dreams of helping the common man extend only to spending other's money and then it stops there.

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2010, 09:55:53 AM »
But who is saying that the government should run the economy dumbass??

What does being given more money based on how much you learn have to do with the Greek riots?? I mean, what do you want to talk about? I'm here to talk about the Greek riots not that... which you've just brought up.

Problem with the Greeks, and many for that mtter, not just them of course, isthat too many people are just plain dumb and bought into a fairy tale regarding what govt can provide and what one shuld provide for themselves.     

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2010, 09:56:00 AM »
I didnt say it would have COLLAPSED BRAIN CHILD...but if you think we would have simply moved out of it in 10 years your a moron...

how would more ppl have stayed in their homes?

please argue away id love to hear your take on it  ;D

Oh Im sorry I thought collapsed is pretty much the same thing of the "entire country going down the shitter"................. which is what you said.  

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2010, 09:57:13 AM »
Did you ever see my Schiff clip where he discussed this at length? 


Before the govt got involved inthe college business, tuition was low and barely increased in price for DECADES! 

Yes and that is my entire fucking point with Mctones.  He's saying it's ok for the government to create this HUGE massive private intelligence industry.  It makes no sense.  Government is creating a market that would not otherwise exist without OUR money being used to fund it. 

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Re: Riots in Greece
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2010, 10:00:56 AM »
Yes and that is my entire fucking point with Mctones.  He's saying it's ok for the government to create this HUGE massive private intelligence industry.  It makes no sense.  Government is creating a market that would not otherwise exist without OUR money being used to fund it. 

Bro - my sis and BOL work for Syracuse U.  When I see what they make and how little they do, and the fact that students are paying 40k a year to support this insanity, its totally fucked! 

Seriously - its immoral in my mind at this point.