Riots in Greece

[Fury]

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[Slapper]

Greeks are European, hence white, hence gringos.

I'm sorry, but once you say shit like this... it kinda makes me lose respect for what you have to say.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Bro - my sis and BOL work for Syracuse U.  When I see what they make and how little they do, and the fact that students are paying 40k a year to support this insanity, its totally fucked! 

Seriously - its immoral in my mind at this point.     

Yes I agree.  I'm a nonunion nurse in CA.  I've been hounded by the ANA to join.  I was hounded to vote for Jerry Brown, even though I couldn't stand fucking Meg Whitman.  But I refused.  I believe in a free market with tight oversight and regulation but one in which the government is not creating markets that wouldn't otherwise exist.  That is the biggest problem.  From agriculture, to defense, to intelligence gathering, to higher education, etc.  The government is propping up EVERY FUCKING THING!  And you can pick and choose and say oh well our defense budget creates jobs..........our intelligence budget creates jobs, the financial aid bubble creates jobs...............yeah the fucking propped up mortgage industry created jobs 10 years ago and look what happened?  It popped and now we are paying for all the unemployed.  The entire US economy is one big fucking government contract nowadays.  

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[MuscleMcMannus]

I mean fuck man look at healthcare.  Talk about an industry propped up by big government.  I don't know ONE doctor that was laid off EVER.  If it wasn't for medicare and medicaid, EMTALA laws, JACAHO, government support of private insurance, the prescription drug plan.................hea lthcare would collapse because most hospitals and doctors offices wouldn't be able to turn a profit. 

[Soul Crusher]

Yes I agree.  I'm a nonunion nurse in CA.  I've been hounded by the ANA to join.  I was hounded to vote for Jerry Brown, even though I couldn't stand fucking Meg Whitman.  But I refused.  I believe in a free market with tight oversight and regulation but one in which the government is not creating markets that wouldn't otherwise exist.  That is the biggest problem.  From agriculture, to defense, to intelligence gathering, to higher education, etc.  The government is propping up EVERY FUCKING THING!  And you can pick and choose and say oh well our defense budget creates jobs..........our intelligence budget creates jobs, the financial aid bubble creates jobs...............yeah the fucking propped up mortgage industry created jobs 10 years ago and look what happened?  It popped and now we are paying for all the unemployed.  The entire US economy is one big fucking government contract nowadays.  

The next bubble that is collapsing is state spending.   Between job losses, loss in revenue in sales tax, tax certs driving down home values and property tax bills, etc etc - the next collapse if state govt pensions and spending. 

We have a ponzi scheme nation ourselves built on bogus nnsense and we laugh at the greeks and irish at our peril.   

[MuscleMcMannus]

The next bubble that is collapsing is state spending.   Between job losses, loss in revenue in sales tax, tax certs driving down home values and property tax bills, etc etc - the next collapse if state govt pensions and spending.  

We have a ponzi scheme nation ourselves built on bogus nnsense and we laugh at the greeks and irish at our peril.    

Yes and the Greeks and Irish and English are intelligent enough to riot without much loss of life.  A riot in the US would turn extremely violent in a matter of days with all the gun wielding idiots out there.  I'm a gun owner and believe in the 2nd Amendment as a cornerstone of our society and freedom.......but it's scary to think what major riots would entail in the USA if the people got really mad.  Look at the LA riots.  It's one thing to riot.....it's another to destroy businesses, property, randomly and shoot people, police for no reason.  And shit like that will only usher in martial law with the TPTB would very much like.

[Slapper]

Problem with the Greeks, and many for that mtter, not just them of course, isthat too many people are just plain dumb and bought into a fairy tale regarding what govt can provide and what one shuld provide for themselves.     

Yeah, but you know something 333386? Unfortunately, in many parts of Europe the figure of Daddy/Mommy State coming to the rescue is something many, many Europeans have becomed accustomed to precisely because many States in Western Europe were, AND ARE, efficient money redistributors. Corporations in Europe know they are an integral part of the community and are OK with paying more in the form of salaries and taxes. The tradeoff? They get to enjoy the biggest pool of high-income customers in the world. And they ask nothing more.

I mean, as of lately many European banks have tried to import the American business model (low deficit, letting the "market" take care of things and similar bullshit) and Europeans are kicking back with a vengeance. They know their governments can run efficiently. And they expect nothing else.

I mean, look at Europe: They've been through countless bloody wars and are always able to reconstruct their countries like nothing happened.

I thing we ought to learn fromthem.

[Slapper]

Gotta go.

Have a good one fellow Gringos.

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah, but you know something 333386? Unfortunately, in many parts of Europe the figure of Daddy/Mommy State coming to the rescue is something many, many Europeans have becomed accustomed to precisely because many States in Western Europe were, AND ARE, efficient money redistributors. Corporations in Europe know they are an integral part of the community and are OK with paying more in the form of salaries and taxes. The tradeoff? They get to enjoy the biggest pool of high-income customers in the world. And they ask nothing more.

I mean, as of lately many European banks have tried to import the American business model (low deficit, letting the "market" take care of things and similar bullshit) and Europeans are kicking back with a vengeance. They know their governments can run efficiently. And they expect nothing else.

I mean, look at Europe: They've been through countless bloody wars and are always able to reconstruct their countries like nothing happened.

I thing we ought to learn fromthem.

They have done so with have to spending nothing on their defense because we have paid for that.  Now that we are broke - they dont have the money to cover their asses, and now everyone is fighting over a smaller pie.  If these nations have to spend more of their GDP on defense wait and see what happens.   

[Hedgehog]

Its coming here with public employees when they realize their pensions are gone and they get laid off because they have been living in fantasy land for far too long. 

Greece is a completely different level though.

You think their problem are similar to USA's or the rest of the western worlds? Think again.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The retirement age is 58. Now the Greeks are going crazy because the Socialist government has plans on raising it three years.

Bigger problem yet are some of the ridicilous benefits that government employees gets:

• If they are in time (not late) for work - they get a bonus.

• You thought they got monthly salaries? Guess again. In Greece they get FOURTHEEN monthly salaries. Just because.

• Approximately 40 000 unmarried or divorced women receive pensions - they inherit it from their diseased fathers who were Government employees and keep it as long as they don't marry.

This shit goes on and on.

So whatever is going on right now in Greece, with the Government FINALLY starting to structure the fucking place up, it's about time.

They should let Germany run Greece for the next 10 years for all I care. Greece would be better for it.


Greece - the birthplace of Democracy? You wouldn't notice it if you go there, trust me.




Only in Greece folks, only in Greece.

[tonymctones]

What does getting paid more have to do with the Greek Riots? An employee should get paid more every year because of inflation. We live in an inflationary economy and adjusting salaries to it is just and fair. Regardless of whether you "learn" something new or not. I mean, the learn something new is a bunch of hogwash, to say the least. It's Big Business' excuse to not raise worker's compensation.

I agree with that

but this idiocy is something else...

I'm not talking about getting 15% of the profits. You're off the mark by a mile and a half. I'm talking about a comprehensive compensation package tied to the company's performance. By this I mean paid overtime, working ONLY 40 hours per week and being given ample time if I'm about to get paid off. I'm not saying I want 15% of the company's profits. That's what YOU are saying.

did you really just say that you dont want a percentage and then in the same breath say that you want your compensation to be tied to the companies performance? LMFAO so kinda like a percentage?

[tonymctones]

Jesus dude are you just arguing for fucking argument sakes or are you actually thinking about what you are saying?  NO IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME.....jesus fuck man.......it's the same thing with fucking higher education.  The reason college is so fucking expensive nowadays is because of all the consistent, reliable, government fucking money being thrown at the system in the form of loans, credit/debt, financial aid etc.  If there wasn't so much free debt based money floating around there wouldn't be as much of a racket going on in college, it would be more competitive i.e. not everyone and their brother who isn't qualified to go would go, there would be more jobs for graduates, illegals wouldn't fucking be going to college.  So to answer your point no not as many people would be employed if the government wasn't throwing money at private industry corporations......plus that is the fucking antithesis of a free market............govern met is CREATING a market where one wouldn't exist......at least not to the size and scope that it does.  

I think youre misunderstanding brain child, what i was saying is the idea of private doesnt matter b/c they would simply hire these ppl as govt employees instead of contracting the company...get it now?

im not saying I agree with it

I am still waiting for your poinent points on the financial crisis and how letting the banks fail would have been better for us though...

[MuscleMcMannus]

I think youre misunderstanding brain child, what i was saying is the idea of private doesnt matter b/c they would simply hire these ppl as govt employees instead of contracting the company...get it now?

im not saying I agree with it

I am still waiting for your poinent points on the financial crisis and how letting the banks fail would have been better for us though...

Don't use big words you don't know how to spell brain child.....it's poignant.   

[MuscleMcMannus]

Greece is a completely different level though.

You think their problem are similar to USA's or the rest of the western worlds? Think again.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee.

The retirement age is 58. Now the Greeks are going crazy because the Socialist government has plans on raising it three years.

Bigger problem yet are some of the ridicilous benefits that government employees gets:

• If they are in time (not late) for work - they get a bonus.

• You thought they got monthly salaries? Guess again. In Greece they get FOURTHEEN monthly salaries. Just because.

• Approximately 40 000 unmarried or divorced women receive pensions - they inherit it from their diseased fathers who were Government employees and keep it as long as they don't marry.

This shit goes on and on.

So whatever is going on right now in Greece, with the Government FINALLY starting to structure the fucking place up, it's about time.

They should let Germany run Greece for the next 10 years for all I care. Greece would be better for it.


Greece - the birthplace of Democracy? You wouldn't notice it if you go there, trust me.




Only in Greece folks, only in Greece.

You must not know much about Germany.  They have some of the best benefits of any socialized country. 

[tonymctones]

Don't use big words you don't know how to spell brain child.....it's poignant.   

hahaha nice now please wow us with your economic knowledge 

[Soul Crusher]

Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.   

[tonymctones]

Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.   

good country to invest in apparently, they are expecting the euro to be one of the weakest currencies in 11 which will only help more

[MuscleMcMannus]

hahaha nice now please wow us with your economic knowledge 

Im not trying to wow anyone.  And I have never come off as I'm a know it all when it comes to economics.  Most of the points I've tried to make in this thread have to do with government involvement in both private and public sector.  They are just as involved in the private sector as they are the public sector if not more....manipulating markets, propping up business, etc.  So for someone to argue otherwise that it's all those evil unions, public sector employees, etc. is intellectually dishonest.  And for people to fall into the divide of left vs. right or conservative vs. democrat is stupid........and you and people like bezerker seem to do that.  Just because a person falls into the left or the right doesn't mean they encompass and adopt all the values of "liberals" or "right wing neocons".  Most Americans including most posting in this thread probably agree on the issues much more so than they disagree.  Everyone is just so quick to lable everyone that doesn't agree exactly with everything they do.  And that's to be expected with all the media brainwashing and lies that come out of the corporate controlled news channels and white house soap box.  

[tonymctones]

Im not trying to wow anyone.  And I have never come off as I'm a know it all when it comes to economics.

A complete collapse in the finance and stock market would have been a good thing.  In fact if those companies like AIG etc. would have gone under MORE people would have stayed in their homes.  SO yes I woudl argue with anyone any day of the week that the entire fucking system should have gone belly up.  THis country has faced a lot.........and we would have been better off for it.  Now when the collapse finally does come it will be that much worse. 

so youre recanting on these one liners then?

if not make your case brain child

[Soul Crusher]

By having a Federal Reserve that can mask over problems, create the illusion of the liquidity and solid banking, propping up failed businesses, buy back bonds from the FED Govt to buy debt to finance the Govt, etc, most people are clueless as to the true state of our financial affairs.

Just because things seem to not be in utter collapse ala Greece, IRE, Iceland, etc, does not mean it is not so.  We traded taking the hard medicine for our reckless monetary and economic policies, and instead have been contented with  devalued dollar with far less purchasing power, a lowe standard of living, and a continuation of the ponzi scheme.

However, this will not go on forever as the Chinese and others stop buying our debt.  The only way out of thi mess is to drastically cut govt, drastically cut govt regulations and mandates on the manufacturing sector and those who produce goods and products, force people to work who are on welfare and govt assistance, and do a true audit of the FED so we can know exactly what situation we are in.             

[tonymctones]

agreed but I think another war will come up in which we alleviate some of our debt...

exactly my point, ppl think we are in the shitter now...can you imagine if we had let the economy go to real shit?

[MuscleMcMannus]

Germany actually produces a ton of high cost, high quality stuff people want and are willing to pay for.   

70% of the german economy is in the service sector.  They are as socialistic as any other European country i.e. France, Greece etc.  And they also have national healthcare, some of the most draconian, socialistic environmental laws in the world................

As far as the Greek most of you have probably never heard of the German "kur"?  LOL.  Need to take off 3 weeks....just tell your doctor you are stressed out and he'll write you a prescription for a spa.  Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and if we tried to implement the same here in the states most of you would be screaming those evil socialists.  Fucking hypocrites......glorifyi ng a country's economy while failing miserably to understand how their society is structured....which is WHY their economy does so well.  

[MuscleMcMannus]

so youre recanting on these one liners then?

if not make your case brain child

No but I'm not about to spend hours debating, posting and arguing with you.  It's not worth it.  You can believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe.  You already have your mind made up.  You just like to argue for argument's sake.  There is no evidence that we would be worse off than we will be in the next few years if we had not bailed out wall street and the banks.  In fact there is more evidence to the contrary you're just too brainwashed to either research it or believe it.  Not my problem.  Millions of Americans were hood winked into believing the scare tactics put out by our government and wall street that if we didn't give money to the banks everything would come crashing down.  No one myself included would argue that it would be  cake walk or certain segments of the popluation would have suffered immensely.  They would have.  But instead of the middle class tax payers taking the hit the rich, wallstreet fat cats and bankers would have had to pay the piper.....but instead they got a get out of jail card free.  Most middle class people would have suffered but in th end would have come out better off. 

[Soul Crusher]

70% of the german economy is in the service sector.  They are as socialistic as any other European country i.e. France, Greece etc.  And they also have national healthcare, some of the most draconian, socialistic environmental laws in the world................

As far as the Greek most of you have probably never heard of the German "kur"?  LOL.  Need to take off 3 weeks....just tell your doctor you are stressed out and he'll write you a prescription for a spa.  Germany has one of the best healthcare systems in the world and if we tried to implement the same here in the states most of you would be screaming those evil socialists.  Fucking hypocrites......glorifyi ng a country's economy while failing miserably to understand how their society is structured....which is WHY their economy does so well.  

Again - if they had to provide for a national defense, have tens of millions of wortheless slugs in their population, etc etc - things would be drastically different for them.