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Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« on: December 20, 2010, 11:09:02 AM »
Feds want reporting for high-powered rifle sales
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL, Associated Press Alicia A. Caldwell, Associated Press – 28 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/ap_on_re_us/us_gun_sales_reporting_2


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WASHINGTON – The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal Register.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has asked the White House budget office to approve an emergency request requiring border-area gun dealers to report the sales of two or more rifles to the same customer within a five-day period.

The emergency request, published Friday in the Federal Register, is likely to face stiff opposition from gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association. ATF wants the Office of Budget Management to approve the request by Jan. 5.

NRA officials did not immediately return a telephone message for comment Monday. Last week the group's chief lobbyist, Chris Cox, told the Washington Post that the "NRA supports legitimate efforts to stop criminal activity, but we will not stand idle while our Second Amendment is sacrificed for politics." The Post first reported the proposal.

High-powered rifles have become the weapon of choice for Mexico's warring drug cartel. More than 30,000 people have been killed in Mexico's drug war since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the powerful drug gangs shortly after taking office in late 2006.

Officials on both sides of the border have said weapons bought legally in the United States are routinely smuggled into the Mexico. The proposed reporting requirement would apply to sales of two or more semi-automatic guns more powerful than .22-caliber rifles that use a detachable magazine within a five-day period.

ATF, which tracks weapons found in Mexico and has tied tens of thousands of recovered guns to U.S. dealers, has been criticized for not doing enough to curb the flow of guns to Mexico, where firearms sales are highly restricted.

Last month a Justice Department report on the agency's Operation Gunrunner criticized the program as being narrowly focused on individual gun buyers and not larger smuggling organizations believed responsible for significant numbers of guns being shipped across the border.

Currently there are no reporting requirements for rifles.

If approved by the White House, the new reporting requirement would affect nearly 8,500 border-area gun dealers in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas and be in place for 180 days.

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 11:14:54 AM »
If you support the govt being able to detain americans to prove citizenship (something that MANY constitutionalists and strict conservatives hated) - then you probably shuld support the govt tracking gun purchases.

Another example of "we will deal with this govt tracking of citizens, just this one time"...

And another example of "It only takes a pen stroke for this to be a nationwide policy..."

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2010, 11:15:59 AM »
This will get struck down.  Its more bullshit from Obama seeking a national registry of long arms.   

FUBO.   

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 11:30:03 AM »
What's the problem with this?

Did you even read the article you posted

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 11:32:49 AM »
What's the problem with this?

Did you even read the article you posted

Yes I did and the words of Rahmn Emanuel came to mind:   


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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 11:37:54 AM »
Yes I did and the words of Rahmn Emanuel came to mind:   



tell me why in your words

I've wasted enough time already watching the stupid videos you post

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 11:38:10 AM »
So, you don't want them to keep track of legally purchased high powered rifles that are bought near the Mexican border? They have a shit load of problems, and that is where man of the arms are coming from...and think of the fiasco that would ensue if they attack American citizens with  legal American bought guns...

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 11:41:40 AM »
So, you don't want them to keep track of legally purchased high powered rifles that are bought near the Mexican border? They have a shit load of problems, and that is where man of the arms are coming from...and think of the fiasco that would ensue if they attack American citizens with  legal American bought guns...

This s going to be backdoor national registry of long arms.  It will start here and expand. 

By the way - most of the weapons being usedby the ZETAs are not the oes they are targeting.   Most of the ones in Mexico are full auto's from China and Russia, not small gun shops.

This reg also will be challenged an struck down in court BTW.  Either everyone has to report or no one at all. 

Since when do we have geographic regs?   

 

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 11:44:40 AM »
hahaha, "reporting of sales?"

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 11:46:25 AM »
I have no problem with the proposal and it wouldn't bother me a bit if I were buying a gun

why should I care?


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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 11:48:34 AM »
I have no problem with the proposal and it wouldn't bother me a bit if I were buying a gun

why should I care?



 
You?   Of course not - you would probably send the serial number and receipt to the WH as a copy. 

Most others?   no, they dn't want Fed GOv having a national registery of long arms purchases.     

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2010, 11:52:09 AM »

You?   Of course not - you would probably send the serial number and receipt to the WH as a copy. 

Most others?   no, they dn't want Fed GOv having a national registery of long arms purchases.     

again - Why should I care?

what's the problem

I have to register my care and other shit so what's the difference.

Why should i be upset about this?

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2010, 11:54:35 AM »
again - Why should I care?

what's the problem

I have to register my care and other shit so what's the difference.

Why should i be upset about this?

Because Straw - the history of gun registeries and lists really has not worked out too well for citizens. 

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 11:57:01 AM »
Because Straw - the history of gun registeries and lists really has not worked out too well for citizens. 

Germany circa 1930's called......they agree.

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2010, 11:58:47 AM »
Because Straw - the history of gun registeries and lists really has not worked out too well for citizens. 

what the history

again - tell me what I'm supposed to be worried about?

don't we already register handguns

has that caused some problem?

has it helped LE?

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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2010, 12:01:13 PM »
what the history

again - tell me what I'm supposed to be worried about?

don't we already register handguns

has that caused some problem?

has it helped LE?

Its a state issue, not a national issue.    Sorry -I don't want or need DHS having a record of all my gun ownings if I have never committed a crime or been convicted of anythig.  . 

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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2010, 12:01:50 PM »
Germany circa 1930's called......they agree.

yes, no doubt this is one step toward becoming just like Nazi Germany in the 1930's

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 12:04:36 PM »
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The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal Register.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has asked the White House budget office to approve an emergency request requiring border-area gun dealers to report the sales of two or more rifles to the same customer within a five-day period.

I won't lose any sleep over this

3333 - I'm sure you'll be up at night, tossing and turning, cutting out the newspaper and re-arranging to find secret messages, hidden meaning, etc... and then coming back to share all your insight with the board

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 12:06:01 PM »
He is trying to force this though.  FUBO! 


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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2010, 12:12:45 PM »
He is trying to force this though.  FUBO! 



I rarely watch your videos

they are almost always worthless

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2010, 12:23:35 PM »
Take it up with CNN - they reported it. 

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2010, 12:24:20 PM »
Take it up with CNN - they reported it. 

all they reported was exactly what you have in the article

so what

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2010, 01:34:00 PM »
LOL again and again

The ppl that buy/sell guns for LEGAL PURPOSES ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL ABIDE BY THIS...

Tracking guns wont do shit, b/c guess what criminals by and large do not buy their guns from reputable sources...

are you going to go enforce these laws with the street dealers selling them?

NO???? you say...well im shocked, so you mean this will only effect law abiding citizens and not the criminals you intend it to?

YES!!!

seems like a perfect examply of bureaucratic idiocy in action...

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2010, 03:05:50 PM »
LOL again and again

The ppl that buy/sell guns for LEGAL PURPOSES ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL ABIDE BY THIS...

Tracking guns wont do shit, b/c guess what criminals by and large do not buy their guns from reputable sources...

are you going to go enforce these laws with the street dealers selling them?

NO???? you say...well im shocked, so you mean this will only effect law abiding citizens and not the criminals you intend it to?

YES!!!

seems like a perfect examply of bureaucratic idiocy in action...

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Officials on both sides of the border have said weapons bought legally in the United States are routinely smuggled into the Mexico

how about the ones that are bought legally in the US and then smuggled into Mexico

Don't you think it might help in track the people who are doing the smuggling or at the very least give us an idea which stores might be selling these weapons which wind up in Mexico (or somewhere else for that matter)

LE seems to like the idea and we all know what a bunch of bleeding heart Lib/Commies they are

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Re: Obama Admn wants reporting for high-powered rifle sales.
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2010, 03:10:45 PM »
HOW ARE THEY BEING SMUGGLED OVER THERE?