Negative-only training

[dj181]

Any body have much experience with it? If so, please share. FYI, I'm gonna give it a run in my quest for 17 inch arms at my twink natural 160

[DK II]

Any body have much experience with it? If so, please share. FYI, I'm gonna give it a run in my quest for 17 inch arms at my twink natural 160

if you want to kill your tendons and joints in the fastest way, go for it!

[Mr Nobody]

Negative dips one of the best exercises I have ever done for chest. Negative only works but in small doses ie too much you overtrain. The problem with most negative only is getting enough weight into postion to be effective some of the old nautilus machines had foot pedals where as you could do them much easier. 

[JasonH]

Don't really see the point in it to be honest.

[dj181]

Even if you keep the reps higher (8 to 10) and take a full 10 seconds for lowering each rep? You see, I am a natural trainer, and I am pathetically weak, so I think that it's still quite safe pour moi. For example, I can only use 35 pounds on negative-only dumbbell concentration curls. I can understand the danger if I was using an 80 or 90 pound db, but that sure ain't happening anywhere in the near future

[DK II]

Even if you keep the reps higher (8 to 10) and take a full 10 seconds for lowering each rep? You see, I am a natural trainer, and I am pathetically weak, so I think that it's still quite safe pour moi. For example, I can only use 35 pounds on negative-only dumbbell concentration curls. I can understand the danger if I was using an 80 or 90 pound db, but that sure ain't happening anywhere in the near future

you are fooling yourself to think it is safe.

Any load that you cannot move positively is too much for you. If you could only curl 5lbs, then a negative with 7lbs would overwork your tendons, joints and muscles.

Learn to lift smart, lift slower, use pre-exhausting techniques or whatever, but negatives will only hurt you in the long run.

[Marty Champions]

4 NEGATIVE TRAINING IMMEDIATLEY

[Marty Champions]

GREAT POST DJ more negative training!!

[Marty Champions]

DJ A FANTASTIC POSTER YET ADVISING EVEN MORE NEGATIVE TRAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dj181]

Yeah Falcon, maybe I should follow your protocol of standing all day long to develop a massive set of wheels, just like you claim that is possible

[Marty Champions]

Yeah Falcon, maybe I should follow your protocol of standing all day long to develop a massive set of wheels, just like you claim that is possible

you dont think i workout too? what i dont have is a gym membership

[DroppingPlates]

This type of training is like begging for injuries. I only use them as set-extenders for another 2-4 reps

[dj181]

I don't have a gym membership either bro, I just have a set of adjustable DB's in my apartment and a bar to perform chin-ups, and that's alls I gots. And I also have a stationary bike, as well.

[Mr Nobody]

I don't have a gym membership either bro, I just have a set of adjustable DB's in my apartment and a bar to perform chin-ups, and that's alls I gots. And I also have a stationary bike, as well.

Yes type of stuff has worked for Falcon for years all Falcon principles.

[DroppingPlates]

I don't have a gym membership either bro, I just have a set of adjustable DB's in my apartment and a bar to perform chin-ups, and that's alls I gots. And I also have a stationary bike, as well.

So you're idea is to do only negatives @home?
DON'T DO THAT!

[dj181]

I'm only gonna do negative on DB concentration curls and push-ups, yeah push-ups. I have a backpack that I can load up with weight plates which enables me to do negative-only push-ups. My goal is to add over an inch to my arms, so I will only train with a maintance style on my legs and back, just to maintain them and have extra energy and reserve to focus ALL of my energy on those 2 exercises. In my experience, it is best just to focus on building up only one or two body parts, while giving a minimum level of effort to maintain the other bodyparts. I have NEVER been able to make ALL my body parts grow at the same time, so for me it works best just to focus on one or 2 body parts at a time.

[mitchyboy]

I think the real problem is ur arms will never gain significant mass without your body weight going up. Why not aim for a few pounds increase. My arms never even came close to 17 inches till i weighed over 190 at 5,8. Good luck with the negative training be smart.
 Like others said, prefer using it as a set extender rather then pure negatives. You are trying to increase size not strength.

[dj181]

Good point man, and actually that's part of why I want to give it a run (ie strength increse) coz if it greatly increases my strength, then I can use much heavier training loads when I return back to "normal training". Yeah, I think that I'm dreaming when I say a 17 inch arm at a buck 60, but now my arms are 15.75 inches at about a buck 70, but I'm a fat and bloated toad at the moment at roughly 15% bodyfat, so if I can his sub-6 at 165, then maybe 17 inch arms are possible?

[DroppingPlates]

I'm only gonna do negative on DB concentration curls and push-ups, yeah push-ups. I have a backpack that I can load up with weight plates which enables me to do negative-only push-ups. My goal is to add over an inch to my arms, so I will only train with a maintance style on my legs and back, just to maintain them and have extra energy and reserve to focus ALL of my energy on those 2 exercises. In my experience, it is best just to focus on building up only one or two body parts, while giving a minimum level of effort to maintain the other bodyparts. I have NEVER been able to make ALL my body parts grow at the same time, so for me it works best just to focus on one or 2 body parts at a time.

Growth isn't a local process. This is only the case when you do isolation exercises only.
You can't do those push ups on a proper way; who's gonna help with the concentric part?
Also keep in mind that this type of training is mentally tough, esp @home.
Don't waste your time and go to a gym and do your squats, presses & rows.

[mitchyboy]

Man, now you wanna lose weight and gain over an inch on your arms. Not to burst your bubble but someones got to say it.

  NO CHANCE IN HELL DUDE.

You will defiantly hurt yourself somewere along the line if your on a diet and negative training.
  In my experience, and many others I'm sure, one inch on your arms = 10 pounds on your body at least. that's just a guesstimate.
Also one inch on your arms = at least one year of serious eating and training.
I think you need to reconsider your approach and goals, short term goals first need to be more realistic.
Try and get your arms over 16 and then try and keep them there while dieting. That may be an eye opener.

[dj181]

Are you sure that growth doesn't occur in a localized way? I've always experienced growth in a localized way. And as far as the push-ups, yeah I know that they are a compound movement, so I won't just gain in the tris from doing them. Also I place my hands on the edge on my sofa when I do these push-ups, so this enables me to stand up and reposition myself after each rep in order to do a proper negative.

[dj181]

Sorry mitchyboy, I see that I didn't make myself so clear, so what I meant to say was my goal is to go from 170 15% bodyfat with 15.75 inch arms to 165 at sub-6 with 17 inch arms. So it more of a transformation 15% to 6% while keeping the body weight roughly the same.

[Jaime]

I'm only gonna do negative on DB concentration curls and push-ups, yeah push-ups. I have a backpack that I can load up with weight plates which enables me to do negative-only push-ups. My goal is to add over an inch to my arms, so I will only train with a maintance style on my legs and back, just to maintain them and have extra energy and reserve to focus ALL of my energy on those 2 exercises. In my experience, it is best just to focus on building up only one or two body parts, while giving a minimum level of effort to maintain the other bodyparts. I have NEVER been able to make ALL my body parts grow at the same time, so for me it works best just to focus on one or 2 body parts at a time.

You only train about once as week as is, what's maintenance training entail?

[DroppingPlates]

Are you sure that growth doesn't occur in a localized way? I've always experienced growth in a localized way. And as far as the push-ups, yeah I know that they are a compound movement, so I won't just gain in the tris from doing them. Also I place my hands on the edge on my sofa when I do these push-ups, so this enables me to stand up and reposition myself after each rep in order to do a proper negative.

Yes I'm very sure about that, but I invite everyone here to debate this. Don't confuse a local pump with hypertrophy.
What are your motivations to train at home?
Don't use furniture for workouts unless someone puts it on Youtube  

[Jaime]

Yes I'm very sure about that, but I invite everyone here to debate this. Don't confuse a local pump with hypertrophy.
What are your motivations to train at home?
Don't use furniture for workouts unless someone puts it on Youtube  

Localized as in what? I train chest and arms and my chest and arms get bigger, I don't need to do squats to grow my chest and i sure as hell don't need to gain 10lb all over to put size on my arms.