FatPanda!!!!!!!! Calling you out!!!!!!!!!

[Fatpanda]

Well, compound exercises ARE KING, and there's no doubt about dat! But I just think that some kind of curl is necessary for full and complete biceps development, but maybe I'm just hoping that's true, seeing that ma bis are my worst upper body part lol

you can either contract a muscle or not there is no such thing as complete or incomplete bi development.

[Fatpanda]

been a long, long time since u posted update pics of ur weightoss fatpanda. i am guessing u lost loads now as ur deadline for the finishing and owning of disturbia is February.

you are mistaken - feb was the agreed apon date for a competition that was cancelled.

once the competition was cancelled so was the date.

i will give you a deadline date though if you like.

[Shockwave]

you can either contract a muscle or not there is no such thing as complete or incomplete bi development.

As much as I think you are flat wrong on a lot of what you say,
Dorian (and I) agree with this. The muscle either contracts or it doesnt.

[dj181]

Just curious fatpanda, do you happen to know what is the fully contracted position of the biceps? P.S. Arthur Jones knew

[Fatpanda]

As much as I think you are flat wrong on a lot of what you say,
Dorian (and I) agree with this. The muscle either contracts or it doesnt.

dorian only said it because a physiologist said it !

if i read that in a study before dorian said it the usual haters would be giving it the usual ' fuck you fatman, scientist know shit, everyone knows you need 20 sets for arms hitting it from every angle' 

Just curious fatpanda, do you happen to know what is the fully contracted position of the biceps? P.S. Arthur Jones knew

is that a trick question? 

[dj181]

Not exactly man, but I will give you the answer: palm fully supinated, elbow flexed as much as possible, and upper arm raised to the ear. And that covers the 3 major actions of the biceps: supination, elbow flexion, and shoulder flexion So, the biceps do indeed contract when one perform a row or a pulldown, but usually only one of the biceps actions are called into play during those movements (elbow flexion)

[Fatpanda]

Not exactly man, but I will give you the answer: palm fully supinated, elbow flexed as much as possible, and upper arm raised to the ear. And that covers the 3 major actions of the biceps: supination, elbow flexion, and shoulder flexion So, the biceps do indeed contract when one perform a row or a pulldown, but usually only one of the biceps actions are called into play during those movements (elbow flexion)

how so ? a pull down covers those movements ? (if palms face in)

[dj181]

A pulldown with palms fully supinated, or a barbell row for that matter, covers 2 of those bases ie elbow flexion and supination, but neither of them involve shoulder flexion. Yes, shoulder extension, but not shoulder flexion.

[Fatpanda]

A pulldown with palms fully supinated, or a barbell row for that matter, covers 2 of those bases ie elbow flexion and supination, but neither of them involve shoulder flexion. Yes, shoulder extension, but not shoulder flexion.

actually it does.

[dj181]

How? Should flexion is involved in pushing movements (presses) not pulling movements.

[Fatpanda]

How? Should flexion is involved in pushing movements (presses) not pulling movements.

are you being serious 

[mass243]

are you being serious 

That's not fatpanda

[dr.chimps]

That's not fatpanda

It would be if the first diagram was repeated 3x. 

[dj181]

Pure shoulder flexion would be any kind of front raise, so how does a pulldown or row accomplish this movement?

[CalvinH]

are you being serious 

Basille

[mass243]

Here is fatpanda demonstrating it. There is obviously three individual phases in this movement... You need the full contraction on every one of those phases..

[kiwiol]

Here is fatpanda demonstrating it. There is obviously three individual phases in this movement... You need the full contraction on every one of those phases..

ROFL!

[Fatpanda]

sorry dj - you are correct.

i was focussed on the posterior and anterior delts actions rather than the shoulder movement as a whole.

despite what jones said - i still say the pull up works the bicep as a whole, as you cannot specifically tell the body to only contract certain parts i.e. bicep or brachialis.

[Jaime]

How about you get to a stage where you actually look like you have done a single athletic pursuit in your life, and then you can maybe talk about training.

Nobody is interested in our opinions, delusion at it's zenith.

[Fatpanda]

How about you get to a stage where you actually look like you have done a single athletic pursuit in your life, and then you can maybe talk about training.

Nobody is interested in our opinions, delusion at it's zenith.

how about you get to a stage where you post a pic........... or don't and simply accept things as they are.

[Fatpanda]

Here is fatpanda demonstrating it. There is obviously three individual phases in this movement... You need the full contraction on every one of those phases..

probably quite accurate

[PJim]

Here is fatpanda demonstrating it. There is obviously three individual phases in this movement... You need the full contraction on every one of those phases..

LOLz

[Jaime]

how about you get to a stage where you post a pic........... or don't and simply accept things as they are.

I'm not posting pictures on a public forum, i like my anonymity due to my profession and have some very distinct tattoo's.

What my pictures or anybody elses has to do with the fact that you are a complete mess, i don't know.

You have ramped up your opinionated ballshit lately and it is nauseating. Fact is if you didn't talk about training nothing would link you to it, you have zero first hand experiance.

I respect you dieting and trying to get in shape but cut out all of the know it all crap. Your body is all we need to know on what your theories are worth...

[dj181]

I'll be honest here fellas, I know that I talk alot of smack and that I may come across as a know it all at times, but the fact is that many of my ideas/theories aren't certain, especially with regards to getting bigger and stronger muscles. BUT, there is ONE THING that I think that I truly am an expert on, and that is getting RIPPED I've done it many times, and very quickly at that, so I think that this qualifies me as a GETTING RIPPED EXPERT

[Fatpanda]

I'm not posting pictures on a public forum, i like my anonymity due to my profession and have some very distinct tattoo's.

What my pictures or anybody elses has to do with the fact that you are a complete mess, i don't know.

You have ramped up your opinionated ballshit lately and it is nauseating. Fact is if you didn't talk about training nothing would link you to it, you have zero first hand experiance.

I respect you dieting and trying to get in shape but cut out all of the know it all crap.   Your body is all we need to know on what your theories are worth...

listen kid, you know nothing about me or what i know or don't know.

i also know nothing about you except you make bullshit excuses not to post pictures.

that last statement tells me you aren't too bright though.