Jay Cutler as a teen

[Figo]

Back in 1996 I learned all about gear through people I trained with. I never tried the gear, but they were doing it, and they told me all about it. They were trying to get me to do it and "join the darkside" but I didn't do it.

 I'd imagine that's how most people started before the internet. Met someone who showed them the ropes.

 That's how it was befre the internet. You ACTUALLY met people face to face talked about things. Crazy shit huh?

lol
yes, I was around pre-internet too..

you guys are missing my point, he started using as young as 15/16 maybe, and its hectic that some guy or group of people take it upon themselves to reccommend prescription hormones to a young teen, as well as admistration protocol

[Figo]

I know 3 kids by name... one is 14, other is 17, and one is 19...
all on a ton of gear for their age (over a gram) and 4 iu of gh..

where they got the money for it? beats the shit outta me... especially that they're poor.
i know the 17 year old is "sponsored" by a drug dealer. gives him whatever shit he needs as long as he pushes his products on to other kids and rip them off for 3-4 times the price.
the 17 year old has been on and off since he was 14 and is now a top competitor around here and in arab countries.

don't know why Jay being 19 and on a ton of shit seems so far fetched.

14! wow, I had no idea shit like this was common place

[Natural Man]

looks like lee has always been fond of the pink color...

[Palpatine Q]

14! wow, I had no idea shit like this was common place

it is.......shit when i was in 10th grade and started looking like something, i remember the local bodybuilder guy who was 5 years older than me approached me about taking gear

[yates fan]

only people i would rather look like are dorian and ronnie.nobody else seems to be able to get the job done.

[jude2]

14! wow, I had no idea shit like this was common place

WOW. Most of the gyms around here you have to be 18 to join and some will let you join a little younger if you go with a parent. Must be common place at the YMCA.

[Van_Bilderass]

The Coach started at 14 or 15 if I remember correctly. 

A friend of mine did his first cycle in Lebanon at 15. Bought testosterone at the pharmacy then went to the local hospital to get injected by a nurse. He said the nurse said, "you know this stuff isn't good for you". But she injected him all the same. My friend said he went with an older competitive bodybuilder who did a 10ml glute shot of testosterone (2500mg) - the nurse complained her fingers were cramping up doing the injection. 

[Shockwave]

The Coach started at 14 or 15 if I remember correctly. 

A friend of mine did his first cycle in Lebanon at 15. Bought testosterone at the pharmacy then went to the local hospital to get injected by a nurse. He said the nurse said, "you know this stuff isn't good for you". But she injected him all the same. My friend said he went with an older competitive bodybuilder who did a 10ml glute shot of testosterone (2500mg) - the nurse complained her fingers were cramping up doing the injection. 

 

Guess dude wants to get it done all at once.
Pinning yourself ED must fooking suck.

[suckmymuscle]

  McFadden was 240 relatively lean pounds back in the 1920's at a height of 5'10. But I guess according to GH15 he was grinding bulls' testicles in alcohol to get the testosterone out and inject it since it is impossible according to him for a 5'10 guy to weight 240 lean pounds.

  You know, you guys would be amazed by what can be accomplished drug-free if you train hard and properly. The two key words here are "hard" and "properly". Taking sets to failure or past them in compound movements, preferably with free weights to stimulate even more muscle mass that is required to balance the weight is a must, and so is clinical form 99% of the time. Since only a very small fraction of trainers do that, then most trainers can't grow. The giant failure of almost anyone at gaining mass is due to the fact that gaining mass drug free is hard work. Really, really hard work, and you can never miss workouts. Because so few are willing to pay the price by doing heavy free barbell squats and deads to failure, few can grow.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Jake_W]

You're mentally challenged

X10000000000000

[Shockwave]

  McFadden was 240 relatively lean pounds back in the 1920's at a height of 5'10. But I guess according to GH15 he was grinding bulls' testicles in alcohol to get the testosterone out and inject it since it is impossible according to him for a 5'10 guy to weight 240 lean pounds.

  You know, you guys would be amazed by what can be accomplished drug-free if you train hard and properly. The two key words here are "hard" and "properly". Taking sets to failure or past them in compound movements, preferably with free weights to stimulate even more muscle mass that is required to balance the weight is a must, and so is clinical form 99% of the time. Since only a very small fraction of trainers do that, then most trainers can't grow. The giant failure of almost anyone at gaining mass is due to the fact that gaining mass drug free is hard work. Really, really hard work, and you can never miss workouts. Because so few are willing to pay the price by doing heavy free barbell squats and deads to failure, few can grow.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I told you .
Liar McFadden biggest liar in industry.
Cadavar GH came from needle into skull of dead man and inject self 4 times day.
Americano whores and trenbolona at high doses with testosterona americano whore.
No GH no bodybuillding.
Mcfadden lie to all you kids big part of generation nothingness in 1920's

Shockwave 15 approved.

[dr.chimps]

  McFadden was 240 relatively lean pounds back in the 1920's at a height of 5'10. But I guess according to GH15 he was grinding bulls' testicles in alcohol to get the testosterone out and inject it since it is impossible according to him for a 5'10 guy to weight 240 lean pounds.

  You know, you guys would be amazed by what can be accomplished drug-free if you train hard and properly. The two key words here are "hard" and "properly". Taking sets to failure or past them in compound movements, preferably with free weights to stimulate even more muscle mass that is required to balance the weight is a must, and so is clinical form 99% of the time. Since only a very small fraction of trainers do that, then most trainers can't grow. The giant failure of almost anyone at gaining mass is due to the fact that gaining mass drug free is hard work. Really, really hard work, and you can never miss workouts. Because so few are willing to pay the price by doing heavy free barbell squats and deads to failure, few can grow.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Bernarr McFadden, the nutbar who fasted, and liked walking 20 miles a day!? Guy probably weighed a buck fifty, if that.  

[suckmymuscle]

Can we give the GH15 impersonations a fucking  rest already

  That is because "Shockwave" is a stupid person. Just look at how this retard worships GH15 and sucks on his dick and parrots everything he says even though a toddler could say more intelligible and coherent things and him parroting the way GH15 writes tells me that Shockwave is an easily impressed follower with no personality. A leader, he is not. He was my bitch at the Truce Thread parroting all my arguments, and now he is GH15's bitch parroting everything he says here. It is so sad.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Bam-bam]

You guys need to understand that gear in some parts of the world are dirty cheap and just easy to get. Here in Brazil back then I could get 100% legit stanon 250 (Organons Durateston) for like 2 USD, easily. My first experience with them was just one or two months after I turned 16, tree amps of deca durabolin. And good god, what a difference did it make, everyone in school were commentanting (always denied). Then, when I turned 17 I did my first real cycle. I remember all my family was planning a trip to Ibiza and I just approached my dad and said: look, I am not in the mood for going to Spain again, how about you give me the money you would spend with my air tickets and hotel and I will figure out some other thing to do with the cash. The rest is history.  

[Van_Bilderass]

 
  You know, you guys would be amazed by what can be accomplished drug-free if you train hard and properly. The two key words here are "hard" and "properly". Taking sets to failure or past them in compound movements, preferably with free weights to stimulate even more muscle mass that is required to balance the weight is a must, and so is clinical form 99% of the time. Since only a very small fraction of trainers do that, then most trainers can't grow. The giant failure of almost anyone at gaining mass is due to the fact that gaining mass drug free is hard work. Really, really hard work, and you can never miss workouts. Because so few are willing to pay the price by doing heavy free barbell squats and deads to failure, few can grow.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

What the fuck do you know about free weight compound movement training? You're the one who thinks doing deads without straps will snap your tendons. And no one on this forum can hold 600lbs for 5 seconds without straps.   

You probably never set foot in a gym.

[suckmymuscle]

What the fuck do you know about free weight compound movement training? You're the one who thinks doing deads without straps will snap your tendons. And no one on this forum can hold 600lbs for 5 seconds without straps.

You probably never set foot in a gym.

  Post a video of you holding a bar loaded with 600 lbs without straps for at least five seconds and prove me wrong.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[dr.chimps]

 Post a video of you holding a bar loaded with 600 lbs without straps for at least five seconds and prove me wrong.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I think if you read his post, he says 'no one on this forum can hold 600lbs for 5 seconds without straps.' That infers him, as well.   

[benchmstr]

the amount of shit i was on at 17-18 was astounding

jay was loaded just like the rest...

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[Wiggs]

the amount of shit i was on at 17-18 was astounding

jay was loaded just like the rest...

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Examples of your teenage protocol or you're lying.

[benchmstr]

Examples of your teenage protocol or you're lying.

it was ever evolving.....i was ON from 17-21 years old...

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[Wiggs]

it was ever evolving.....i was ON from 17-21 years old...

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Come on man, give an example or a 12 week period...I'd just like to know.  I was on starting at 19 but pussy doses...400 mg of primo and 400mg of deca....for 8 weeks....what a bitch...That was my first cycle...I grew though.

[Palpatine Q]

Come on man, give an example or a 12 week period...I'd just like to know.  I was on starting at 19 but pussy doses...400 mg of primo and 400mg of deca....for 8 weeks....what a bitch...That was my first cycle...I grew though.

The way you talk about all the gear you have ran i would think you would be a lot more swolled up than you are....do you have any pictures where you look impressive?

[dr.chimps]

The way you talk about all the gear you have ran i would think you would be a lot more swolled up than you are....do you have any pictures where you look impressive?

LOL. Things just got real.     

[Wiggs]

The way you talk about all the gear you have ran i would think you would be a lot more swolled up than you are....do you have any pictures where you look impressive?

I never ran alot of gear...Like I've said many times before, prior to the cycle I'm doing now, the most I ran was 750mg of test, 400mg of EQ, 4iu of gh....
I like talking about gear it's effects and everything else...And no, I don't have any pics worth showing...You will have pics when I'm where I want to be for this cycle.  That will be a while though.

[benchmstr]

Come on man, give an example or a 12 week period...I'd just like to know.  I was on starting at 19 but pussy doses...400 mg of primo and 400mg of deca....for 8 weeks....what a bitch...That was my first cycle...I grew though.

always ran test...non stop....1000iu of HCG a day every 4 weeks, for 1 week straight... usually with EQ...i always hated deca..

when i graduated HS i was running around 800-1000mg of test, 600mg eq, and 400mg tren a....with 5 iu of growth...

always cycled tren 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off...

as i got older...the cycles got much, much heavier...

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