back from my holiday in america - thoughts !

[Firemuscle]

america is the only country that matters

 Most Americans don't know what they are missing out on.

 The USA is pretty cool. But there are lots of places out there that are much better and more interesting.

[GWAR]

Most Americans don't know what they are missing out on.

 The USA is pretty cool. But there are lots of places out there that are much better and more interesting.

your moms asshole is a nice place to visit , you know , if you want... aids

[w8m8]

i'm sorry to hear that you are still pre op.

That's a piece of piss post .... but it's typical from you  .. failure on all levels

Fat panda is just a fat virgin

Is that true even if he calls his Girl Rosy ?




What about the times he spends on the farm ?

[Cleanest Natural]

Any other requests?

I knew it!

[GWAR]

I knew it!

you knew what?

[Cleanest Natural]

you knew what?

don't worry about it 

[dj181]

Is it possible that you fellas could judge the message and not the messenger? Who gives a flying fuck how the messenger looks, what's important is the message. By the way, fatpandas "diet" ideas aren't his ideas, alot of the things he says comes from Arthur Jones. In fact, my "diet" ideas are even much more extreme than his For one, I think that protein is WAY OVER-RATED I have a feeling that many of you are just butt hurt that there are other, more fun ways (eating chesseburgers, french fries, kit kats ) to accomplish the same goals that you want to accomplish. Or maybe, you are just pussies, and aren't willing to pay the price of engaging in very hard training P.S. I don't agree with everything that fatpanda says, and in fact my "diet" principles are even further to the left than his are

[The Showstoppa]

Is it possible that you fellas could judge the message and not the messenger? Who gives a flying fuck how the messenger looks, what's important is the message. By the way, fatpandas "diet" ideas aren't his ideas, alot of the things he says comes from Arthur Jones. In fact, my "diet" ideas are even much more extreme than his For one, I think that protein is WAY OVER-RATED I have a feeling that many of you are just butt hurt that there are other, more fun ways (eating chesseburgers, french fries, kit kats ) to accomplish the same goals that you want to accomplish. Or maybe, you are just pussies, and aren't willing to pay the price of engaging in very hard training P.S. I don't agree with everything that fatpanda says, and in fact my "diet" principles are even further to the left than his are

The reason is that if the "messenger" who is applying these principles looks like a bag of smashed assholes, then why would anyone else want to apply them?  It would be like having Shaq teach you how to shoot freethrows. 

And what works for you, won't necessarily work for everbody.

[kiwiol]

Is it possible that you fellas could judge the message and not the messenger? Who gives a flying fuck how the messenger looks, what's important is the message. By the way, fatpandas "diet" ideas aren't his ideas, alot of the things he says comes from Arthur Jones. In fact, my "diet" ideas are even much more extreme than his For one, I think that protein is WAY OVER-RATED I have a feeling that many of you are just butt hurt that there are other, more fun ways (eating chesseburgers, french fries, kit kats ) to accomplish the same goals that you want to accomplish. Or maybe, you are just pussies, and aren't willing to pay the price of engaging in very hard training P.S. I don't agree with everything that fatpanda says, and in fact my "diet" principles are even further to the left than his are

Fatpanda is like one of those lonely spinsters who've never been in a decent relationship, but are always giving out relationship advice because they've read books like 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus' as well as relationship advice columns in popular magazines. He keeps saying he's lost weight, which is true, but hardly a big deal nor a qualification of his knowledge. There are several ways to lose weight, including starving and induced vomiting, so are you saying that anyone who has lost weight by whatever method is automatically a guru who's qualified to give out advice?

If you are obese, you will lose weight if you lower your calories, even if you eat garbage like candy - no one is debating or challenging that. But you WILL retain more muscle and feel better if you diet the traditional way, eating "clean" food, rather than Kit Kats and what not. FP has very little muscle, despite his claims, so he doesn't really notice the difference, not to mention I doubt if he's tried dieting eating healthier food to be able to compare the two approaches.

End of the day, it's his body and his choice as to how he chooses to lose weight, but no one here is going to take his advice on dieting, except for the mavericks who do it to look cool or whatever, lol. I get a kick out of FP's threads, 'cause it's boring here nowadays and it's always fun to see people ganging up on someone who doesn't back down and gives as good as he gets

[dj181]

Ok kiwi, I'm curious if maybe you can shed some light on one of my more interesting "diet" experiences. After I hit my peak condition which was 154 sub-6, I was able to maintain this condition for a few months eating a double cheeseburger, regular sized french fries, and a large coke nearly every single day for dinner (this part isn't my question man, it's just a primer for my question which is now). Ok, so after this 2 months stablization on a regular daily "junk meal" I decided to up the calories to gain hopefully muscles. So instead of a double cheese, I ate a triple cheese, and I went from regular fries to large fries. Also, I ate a gallon of ice cream at night right before bedtime, and lo and behold I went from 154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8 in less than 6 weeks. I'd like to hear your take on this. And no man, I ain't hating on you, in fact I respect you bro.

[Hulkotron]

Ok kiwi, I'm curious if maybe you can shed some light on one of my more interesting "diet" experiences. After I hit my peak condition which was 154 sub-6, I was able to maintain this condition for a few months eating a double cheeseburger, regular sized french fries, and a large coke nearly every single day for dinner (this part isn't my question man, it's just a primer for my question which is now). Ok, so after this 2 months stablization on a regular daily "junk meal" I decided to up the calories to gain hopefully muscles. So instead of a double cheese, I ate a triple cheese, and I went from regular fries to large fries. Also, I ate a gallon of ice cream at night right before bedtime, and lo and behold I went from 154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8 in less than 6 weeks. I'd like to hear your take on this. And no man, I ain't hating on you, in fact I respect you bro.

Every post you make is this exact same post about your whopping 154-lb "peak" and this cheeseburger nonsense.  Shut up about it already.  You ate high-calorie, high-protein meals (Wendy's Triple and large fries for example is 1550 calories and 78 grams of protein) and gained both muscle and fat.  Stop the presses, what an amazing revelation.

edit: vvv Well said, Dr. Ill!

[Dr.Ill]

Ok kiwi, I'm curious if maybe you can shed some light on one of my more interesting "diet" experiences. After I hit my peak condition which was 154 sub-6, I was able to maintain this condition for a few months eating a double cheeseburger, regular sized french fries, and a large coke nearly every single day for dinner (this part isn't my question man, it's just a primer for my question which is now). Ok, so after this 2 months stablization on a regular daily "junk meal" I decided to up the calories to gain hopefully muscles. So instead of a double cheese, I ate a triple cheese, and I went from regular fries to large fries. Also, I ate a gallon of ice cream at night right before bedtime, and lo and behold I went from 154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8 in less than 6 weeks. I'd like to hear your take on this. And no man, I ain't hating on you, in fact I respect you bro.

At this point in your life, your metabolism runs at a rate to burn all those junk calories you are getting from that type food, but if you truely want to see what that food is doing to your body....go eat your triple burger and large fries and go down to your local plasma center and donate....then look at the filter after you are done....it will look just like the white left over grease when you cook bacon....then go eat right for a few days....go back to the plasma center and look at the filter....we could go into the depths of cellular absorption but this simple easy test can show you instead of being told.

[kiwiol]

Ok kiwi, I'm curious if maybe you can shed some light on one of my more interesting "diet" experiences. After I hit my peak condition which was 154 sub-6, I was able to maintain this condition for a few months eating a double cheeseburger, regular sized french fries, and a large coke nearly every single day for dinner (this part isn't my question man, it's just a primer for my question which is now). Ok, so after this 2 months stablization on a regular daily "junk meal" I decided to up the calories to gain hopefully muscles. So instead of a double cheese, I ate a triple cheese, and I went from regular fries to large fries. Also, I ate a gallon of ice cream at night right before bedtime, and lo and behold I went from 154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8 in less than 6 weeks. I'd like to hear your take on this. And no man, I ain't hating on you, in fact I respect you bro.

There isn't really enough data in your question to be able to say what the cause was. You can control weight via caloric deficit and you can put on muscle (to a limited extent) even on junk like fries and ice cream, if you were depleting a lot more than you needed to. A lot of factors come into play - your age, training, level of stress during the time, quality of sleep etc - it all adds up, so it's impossible to gauge based simply on 2 generic lines about your diet during that time.

And again, I'm not saying you or FP are wrong in saying you'll lose fat if you lower your calories. But it is not the best way to go about it IF you are as concerned about retaining muscle as you are about losing fat. We both know eating a steak and potatoes doesn't do the same thing to your body as eating the equivalent amount of calories via Snickers bars and Coca cola.

To put it another way, if you'd eaten "clean" food instead of ice cream and fries during the time you went from "154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8", you'd have ended up somewhere between 172 - 175 on sub 7 - I may be off a bit with the numbers, but I'm sure you can see the point I'm trying to make.

[The Showstoppa]

At this point in your life, your metabolism runs at a rate to burn all those junk calories you are getting from that type food, but if you truely want to see what that food is doing to your body....go eat your triple burger and large fries and go down to your local plasma center and donate....then look at the filter after you are done....it will look just like the white left over grease when you cook bacon....then go eat right for a few days....go back to the plasma center and look at the filter....we could go into the depths of cellular absorption but this simple easy test can show you instead of being told.

Great post man.  At a young age I couldn't eat enough to put on any size.,,, no matter what or how much I ate.  Not to mention this idea of eating burgers, etc... as the primary source of "nutrition" is a sure fire way to a cardiac arrest or stroke. At a young age guys are prone to the "who cares, I eat what I want and look great...."  with no consideration for what is going on inside their body.  i think a nice Anatomy and Physiology course is in order for the younger guys.

[dj181]

Ok, those are good points about one's "health", but I'm talking purely about cosmetic purposes And regarding "health" I think that it is nearly a 100% genetic thing ie the world's oldest female who smoked like a chimney And yeah kiwi, you make a good point about the possibility that I could have made even better gains if I ate "cleaner". But, I have experience in that regard as well, I tried eating chicken breasts, tuna in water, fresh vegtables, rice, etc. And all it did for me was made me lose tons of strength and made my muscles flat as a pancake.

[kiwiol]

But, I have experience in that regard as well, I tried eating chicken breasts, tuna in water, fresh vegtables, rice, etc. And all it did for me was made me lose tons of strength and made my muscles flat as a pancake.

You are taking a very simplistic approach in analysing the matter, for someone who talks about it so much, lol. Just because you are eating tuna, rice and vegetables doesn't mean it's going to give you bigger muscles, if you are not crunching the numbers correctly.

You can both lose and gain weight eating junk food, just like you can lose and gain weight eating clean food. But if you do everything right, you will retain more muscle, be healthier and feel better eating wholesome food than eating junk. When you're younger, you can get away with it more, but as you get older, you will notice the difference.

And bear in mind the cumulative effects on health with your approach in the long term - you might be interested more in the cosmetic effects, but sooner or later, your health is going to draw a line and you'll realize you can only push or abuse your body so far, lol.

[CalvinH]

Some old school long winded post's from kiwi

[mass243]

But, I have experience in that regard as well, I tried eating chicken breasts, tuna in water, fresh vegtables, rice, etc. And all it did for me was made me lose tons of strength and made my muscles flat as a pancake.

No wonder Jay always looks so flat 

[kiwiol]

Some old school long winded post's from kiwi

That beast is always in me. I just don't let it out much anymore

[dj181]

And as far as these health concerns go, me thinks dat hard and consistant training is da TRUMP CARD, and that it's basically a license to sin, and eat whatever da fuck dat you want without bad health effects FYI, I wasn't so young at that time 26, also I did have blood work done, just out of curiousity, and I past that test with flying colors You'll have to forgive me if my posts don't make absolute and perfect sense, as I am on a calorie is a calorie diet blitz eating not more than 700 cals most days, but I'm absolutely certain that I will quickly gain back whatever muscle I do lose, and then some P.S. I will go from 15% to 8% in 3 weeks or less, and hopefully less than 3 weeks since Lord knows that one gain lose tons of muscle in 1 or 2 weeks time, right? lol

[freespirit]

Obsessive European gimmick rant. Have you taken to going through my posting history? I can't think of the last time I made a post about Europeans where you didn't quickly follow up with some teary-eyed diatribe about how special you think you are.

Who'd have thunk my comments about you Eurotrash would have hit so close to home? Guess that says a lot about how accurate they were.

It's funny that you take this so serious, really, I LOL'd about this post. Thanks for the laughs, "berzerkfury". 

[cyp200la]

panda r u from scotland? i was born there lived there till i was 11 then moved to florida..

[Fatpanda]

There isn't really enough data in your question to be able to say what the cause was. You can control weight via caloric deficit and you can put on muscle (to a limited extent) even on junk like fries and ice cream, if you were depleting a lot more than you needed to. A lot of factors come into play - your age, training, level of stress during the time, quality of sleep etc - it all adds up, so it's impossible to gauge based simply on 2 generic lines about your diet during that time.

And again, I'm not saying you or FP are wrong in saying you'll lose fat if you lower your calories. But it is not the best way to go about it IF you are as concerned about retaining muscle as you are about losing fat. We both know eating a steak and potatoes doesn't do the same thing to your body as eating the equivalent amount of calories via Snickers bars and Coca cola.

To put it another way, if you'd eaten "clean" food instead of ice cream and fries during the time you went from "154 sub-6 to 167 sub-8", you'd have ended up somewhere between 172 - 175 on sub 7 - I may be off a bit with the numbers, but I'm sure you can see the point I'm trying to make.

you are wrong about my diet chief !

i have never said eating a snicker and coke is the same as eating steak and potatoes.

my diet provides a certain level of complete protein, only then is a calorie is a calorie valid i.e. between carbs and fats.

oh and wtf do you mean i have very little muscle  i'm inclining 100lb dumbells - 95 % of the guys on here couldn't do that shit. fat doesn't lift weights chief, muscles do !

[Fatpanda]

panda r u from scotland? i was born there lived there till i was 11 then moved to florida..

yes i'm a glaswegian.

[cyp200la]

dont know were the fuck that is but i lived in glasgow.. and hulk u dont weigh more than 170