Do you think Groink is natural?

[epic_alien]

gronk/prime cuts,   is natural, his bodyfat level reveals this.

he is a man with muscles

[225for70]

True and even if you had the genetics for strength, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the genetics for size. Case in point, bantamweight and lightweight bodybuilders who can lift as much (or more) as the heavyweight bodybuilders, but aren't anywhere near as big as the latter, even though they may be of the same height and on the same drug stack.

Tbombz started out by saying everyone can get big like Goudy if they lift big weights, genetics or no genetics, and then changed it to "big as in big enough to look like they lift", which isn't really saying anything, lol.

Tdizzle doesn't believe in genetics, just low and high dosages of hormonas, and deep tissue massages in the corn-hole.

[kiwiol]

All true.  My old gym, one of the strongest guys there really only looked very avg as far as "size of muscles" and there were a couple of other guys who were huge, but very avg strength. 

Yep. Look at Paul Dillett, to give an example - he did half-assed workouts with light weights on mostly machines and cables, but was a LOT bigger than guys like Shawn Ray who lifted heavier and did a lot more free weight exercises.

It's one thing to say you can build some muscle if you lift heavy (and take drugs, or not) no matter what your genetics, but another thing altogether to say everyone can be big if they lift heavy. Lots of guys lift heavy but never get big, or at least as big as the one that are genetically gifted for size can get.

Same goes for strength or any other ability - there is always a variation in genetic capacity, which puts the elites above the majority.

[Les Grossman]

Groink claims to be natural.

 I say BULLSHIT.

Hmmm....after studying all the facts of the matter, performing in-depth analyses, and many hours of careful deliberation, I've come to the following conclusion.



BlackFagRedStar = dick-sucking, pansy, twink, attention whore, that is jealous of Groink.

 

[Firemuscle]

Hmmm....after studying all the facts of the matter, performing in-depth analyses, and many hours of careful deliberation, I've come to the following conclusion.



BlackFagRedStar = dick-sucking, pansy, twink, attention whore, that is jealous of Groink.

 

 OK. Here's a picture of me chilling back home in Osaka.

 

[Les Grossman]

OK. Here's a picture of me chilling back home in Osaka.

 

Lemme guess....."a calorie is a calorie"?

 

[Firemuscle]

Lemme guess....."a calorie is a calorie"?

 

What are you talking about??? I'm at 8% right there. All natural.

[dr.chimps]

OK. Here's a picture of me chilling back home in Osaka.

 

Now, that's a huge melon. Cripes.

[The Showstoppa]

Now, that's a huge melon. Cripes.

That gent is gonna be late for his sumo match.

[SS]

That gent is gonna be late for his sumo match.

LOL!  Onlymeat could rock this thing like a baby.

[Palpatine Q]

This thread has potential 

[mesmorph78]

This thread has potential 

Indeed
Lot of guys filled with jealousy

[dj181]

Ok fellas, y'all is right when you say dat there are some exceptionally strong small fellas around, but the question is... How do these small and exceptionally strong fellas get bigger muscles? Well, they get bigger muscles by training with greater and greater training loads. It doesn't matter if he is big but not so strong, and that he is strong but not so big, what matter is..... THE ONLY WAY TO GET BIGGER MUSCLES IS TO TRAIN WITH GREATER AND GREATER TRAININH LOADS. If I have a 20 inch arm, but I can only curl with 40 pounders for 10 reps, and then I work my way up to 80 pounders, then I WILL HAVE BIGGER ARMS. Saying that someone is big but isn't so strong is totally irrelavant, because THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS BIG FELLA TO GET EVEN BIGGER IS BY USING BIGGER TRAINING LOADS.

[Palpatine Q]

Ok fellas, y'all is right when you say dat there are some exceptionally strong small fellas around, but the question is... How do these small and exceptionally strong fellas get bigger muscles? Well, they get bigger muscles by training with greater and greater training loads. It doesn't matter if he is big but not so strong, and that he is strong but not so big, what matter is..... THE ONLY WAY TO GET BIGGER MUSCLES IS TO TRAIN WITH GREATER AND GREATER TRAININH LOADS. If I have a 20 inch arm, but I can only curl with 40 pounders for 10 reps, and then I work my way up to 80 pounders, then I WILL HAVE BIGGER ARMS. Saying that someone is big but isn't so strong is totally irrelavant, because THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS BIG FELLA TO GET EVEN BIGGER IS BY USING BIGGER TRAINING LOADS.

there are no universal laws in bodybuilding....everyone is limited (or blessed) by there own genetics...what works for one will not necessarily work for the other.

i laugh at all of the penis pullers expounding daily and arguing tooth and nail about what 'works" best.

you have to go down your own road.

[Les Grossman]

What are you talking about??? I'm at 8% right there. All natural.

Me too....I'm on the left.
 

[dj181]

To be honest groink, I'm not really sure which training method works the best, although I have my theories (ie Trevor Smiths beyond failure training) but... What does matter is that whatever training method one uses, the ONLY way to gage it's effectiveness is if it allows one to train with greater and greater training loads.

[w8m8]

True and even if you had the genetics for strength, it doesn't necessarily mean you have the genetics for size. Case in point, bantamweight and lightweight bodybuilders who can lift as much (or more) as the heavyweight bodybuilders, but aren't anywhere near as big as the latter, even though they may be of the same height and on the same drug stack.

Tbombz started out by saying everyone can get big like Goudy if they lift big weights, genetics or no genetics, and then changed it to "big as in big enough to look like they lift", which isn't really saying anything, lol.

Matt claims he is the 9th strongest "man" ( oh brother )  in his city of 100,000 ... so according to tbombz he should be big ? ... at his size ( his form is awful )it doesn't seem he should be able to lift more than 200 max using appearance as a guide

[che]

anybody who can lift as much as goudy can will be pretty fucking big. not ifbb/top npc size muscles, but real big muscles nonetheless.

Explain MattC

[el numero uno]

Me too....I'm on the left.
 

Outed

there are no universal laws in bodybuilding....everyone is limited (or blessed) by there own genetics...what works for one will not necessarily work for the other.

i laugh at all of the penis pullers expounding daily and arguing tooth and nail about what 'works" best.

you have to go down your own road.

IMO, you can tell that this kind of post is from someone with REAL experience in the gym even if you don't know how groinks looks. Unlike those gurus that are arguing all day in the internet about nutrition and training thinking there is a universal rule to get big. "A calorie is a calorie, progressive overload, all steroids are the same, people who grow are dumb"... ah

[Firemuscle]

 I used to be a lot stronger than I am right now. And at that time my bodyweight and body fat % was exactly the same as it is now. My muscles seemed more "dense" though.

 Strength and size do not have a direct correlation. You can have small muscles and still be very strong, or vice versa.

[Ursus]

Thanks for all the kind words folks!

I do believe that gear makes a guge difference between

1. nattie eating wella nd training well and
2. a user eating well and training well.

Results will be like night and day.

I do have small joints and am tall. Relatively tiny hips and broad shoulders all add to the illusion.

Size does not alwatys = strength and vice versa. leverage etc plays a large part. E.g bench press. Also the way weight is moved plays a part big ballistic synergistic movements like the C+P will create strongh strong lifters but not necessarily the biggest muscles.

I train kinda for both. 6-12 rep range and try to lift heavy as I can for man reps also trying to progress in some way each and every week. Be it doingh a set easier ro getting more reps or weight.

Once again ty for some very kind words

[dj181]

"Trying to progress in some way each week" Viola folks! Dat right there IS PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD

[Stavios]

Matt claims he is the 9th strongest "man" ( oh brother )  in his city of 100,000 ... so according to tbombz he should be big ? ... at his size ( his form is awful )it doesn't seem he should be able to lift more than 200 max using appearance as a guide

that's a ugly ass deadlift

no offence matt

[benchmstr]

there are no universal laws in bodybuilding....everyone is limited (or blessed) by there own genetics...what works for one will not necessarily work for the other.

i laugh at all of the penis pullers expounding daily and arguing tooth and nail about what 'works" best.

you have to go down your own road.

thats no shit.....what works for me damn sure doesnt work for a lot of people...but i had to figure that out myself....i think thats what is wrong with a lot of people who cant gain...they let the mental part fuck them over...

bench

[PJim]

Jesus, you have to get stronger to grow, what else are you supposed to do, get weaker?