For muscular size and strength...

[Palpatine Q]

Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.

P90 X is for homos 

i do stuff like that too sometimes....A friend of mine is a trainer with his own studio and i'll go there occasinally and do his workout...just like that....nonstop, high rep stuff

[cephissus]

what i would like to know...and this isn't a sideways way of saying "how big i am" .......is how many dudes here have actually gotten BIG using their theories...any success?

I use EVERY protocol, exercise and rep tempo there is and don't have any rules to my training except bust your ass in the gym and BELIEVE you are going to grow

For example for chest yesterday i put 225 on the incline and lowered it for a 5 count and then exploded up with it, I did 4 sets of about 12-16 like that.... it was just something different and my pecs are good and sore today...and recuperation is very very important.

A lot of dudes let their enthusiasm for training outstrip their ability to recover

Good post!

Since I started dieting down I've just been going to the gym and doing whatever I feel like, as long as I push myself hard.  If you do box squats and front squats on monday, then hack squats / leg press on friday it can be hard to compare the two to ensure you're using a "heavier load" but as long as you worked the muscle as hard as you could, it should still get the message... of course you would never see someone on the internet suggest something like this.

I think the most important thing in training is learning to listen to your instincts.  When you are a beginner, get a guideline from the internet or whatever, but from that point on you should be listening to your body, and making changes accordingly.

[dj181]

So what's the point of using the Tabata protocol with back training? Are you doing it to increase size, or are you doing it for conditioning purposes? Also, what do you think about that statement that "muscle growth occurs in spurts"?

[Master Blaster]

Also, what do you think about that statement that "muscle growth occurs in spurts"?

I LIKE that a lot. I think it makes sense. The question is why? Is just like a number of instruments can change pitch to sudenly harmonize, so does chance lead us to a momment when all lights are green, when growth is almost inevitable.

Oh tha Tabata thing...not sure it makes sense for growth, thats why I'm doing it. To brutally MAKE it work. 

[Boost]

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.

[dj181]

Theorectically, Tabata should work for muscle growth, just as long as it allows you to train with GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS And that is the way it is meant to be used even when using it to achieve a very high level of fitness. Basically, TRUE Tabata is an ALL-OUT training method where if it is done correctly you will have trouble even sitting down after completing a TRUE TABATA training bout, and maybe even have a hard time laying down lol

[tbombz]

When a powerlifter decides to become a bodybuilder he lifts less weight for more reps.

if someone did that, that would have been a mistake.

Its not just how heavy the weight is, its also time under tension.

true. and the amount of resistant being applied to a muscle during the time it is under tension is the most important factor determining muscle size.

Strongest muscle for one rep = smaller than muscle trained for larger volume.

its not "either or", dummy. you want to be strong for both one rep and volume. volume dont do shit if your lifting baby weights.



This is beyond dispute.

[Hulkotron]

Lift a weight eat a steak repeat.  Pretty easy.

[dj181]

So wot y'all think bout the statement dat "muscle growth occurs in spruts"? Agree? Disagree? And on a side note, whitewidow (Gods stalker) has gone from a buck 70 to a buck 85 FROM 6 YEARS OF STEADY GEAR USE LOL! OH BROTHER!

[spude]

wad ai dink aboudda statement is dat da statement da true is...

[dj181]

Dats cool ma man! And I kno dat u b on da juice, so I hope dat u gained mo dan 15 pounds from dat shit, or r u another whitewillow

[bladerunner]

I don't know man. I'm so stuck on high reps, it's hard to get past my own predjudice. I'm just getting more serious now and I'm doing something very similar to this in hopes to shake things up. I think that legs are fundamentally different than other body parts, they seem to grow just by fucking forcing them to work harder through sheer force of will. 

Now you'll hate my new back workout. Tabata interval training with tiny little 50lb dumbells. Bent over rows for sets of 20 seconds each (no reps counted) EIGHT sets with 10 seconds rest in between. This is fucking hard. Thats basically a 2.6 minute set.

I know what you mean..i used to do entire workouts based on tabata only..i d pick 3-4 exercises n do 10 sets(instead of the usual 8sets) 20 secs on 10 secs off.
1 set would last 5 minutes in total.i realize that was a huge volume of work n i probably wasnt pushing myself 100% if i was able to finish it,but in the end i could barely stand and was always out of breath.Gotta say i had great results though(also with a bit of help from var)..

[dj181]

So what do you mean by "great results"? Bigger muscles? Better conditioning? I'm willing to bet that it was better conditioning.

[bladerunner]

So what do you mean by "great results"? Bigger muscles? Better conditioning? I'm willing to bet that it was better conditioning.

yes,it was a much better conditioning..muscles were a lot more pumped too which could be the result of var+the type of training.
when i say i had great results,i mean that that type of training helped me look a lot better than i ever looked before

[local hero]

So wot y'all think bout the statement dat "muscle growth occurs in spruts"? Agree? Disagree? And on a side note, whitewidow (Gods stalker) has gone from a buck 70 to a buck 85 FROM 6 YEARS OF STEADY GEAR USE LOL! OH BROTHER!

muscle growth does happen in bursts, you tend to struggle then make a break through then struggle again etc etc etc.....

i love these people who swear blind that there natural and gain exactly 5lbs lean mass year after year,, absolute bullshit, check out the real natural competitiors, once they hit there initial size they very rarely go up a weight class, they do get more and more conditioned each year, and thats the best you can hope for!

and id love to know how you gained exactly 6.5lbs of lean mass on your legs, these kind of statements realy do make my eyes roll 

[dj181]

I hear ya man! BUT, my leg press strength DID increase nearly 200 pounds in 5 weeks time. I went from 3 plates a side for 5 reps to 5 plates a side for 5 reps over a 5 week period. Also, my bodyweight went from 160 to 165 within this same 5 week time frame, AND I have a 7 site skinfold test before and after this 5 week period and ALL 7 site went down slightly. So, according to the skinfolds I went from 160 @ 12.4% to 165 @ 11.2% PLUS, I gained nearly 2 inches on each thigh. So I think that it's safe to say that this weight went right to my legs Also, my push and my pull strength DECREASED during this 5 week period, so this muscle certainly didn't to my upper body.

[SHOULDERS]

Like Groink I try everything. Name a protocol and I've tried it. I've had great gains from German volume and mixing reps and rest times etc.. However, in the background to all this - the longterm picture- is getting stronger.

[dj181]

"the long term picture- is getting stronger" BINGO! And do you think that muscle growth occurs in spurts?

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

I Usually do fairly low reps on squats every workout (1-5) for strength. However when I switch to higher reps and lower weights my quads look fuller/different in a matter of weeks. Don't know if this is due to increased pump or hypertrophy, but I can see difference very clearly between these training styles.

[spude]

Dats cool ma man! And I kno dat u b on da juice, so I hope dat u gained mo dan 15 pounds from dat shit, or r u another whitewillow

Jå..jag är säkert att jad hade mycket bättre resultater än "Den Vita Änlingen"...Faktiskt tycker jag att "Den Vita Änklingen" måste vara helvete dum att ha så skit "resultater" om da juice...

[Mr Nobody]

Jå..jag är säkert att jad hade mycket bättre resultater än "Den Vita Änlingen"...Faktiskt tycker jag att "Den Vita Änklingen" måste vara helvete dum att ha så skit "resultater" om da juice...

Thsi looks good but I dont know what it says.

[spude]

Yes...Im sure that I've had better results than whitewidow...In fact i think whitewidow has to be infernally stupid to get crap "results" like that of da juice...

[mass243]

Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but ain't nobody want to lift no heavy ass weight

[gh15]

You must lift heavy, or at least heavier than you were previously. Discuss

for muscular size and strength you have tro have hormones in system,,
for muscular size and strength to look good and lean enough so people notice you and dont think you are power lifter or some gym rat,,you got to have hgh added to it

gh15 approved

[Meso_z]

I lift things up and put them down.