Author Topic: Every1 talking about gettin shape well me and Ron would like to see some experts (Read 8150 times)

wes · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:44:46 AM »

Quote from: Johnny Falcon on January 09, 2011, 07:17:00 AM

r u doing the contest atleast 50 percent natural?

Minimum 60%.

OneMoreRep · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:48:51 AM »

Ron actually said that he wanted to see some experts?

"1"

Marty Champions · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2011, 08:34:25 AM »

Quote from: wes on January 09, 2011, 07:44:46 AM

Minimum 60%.

why not 100% beleive it or not wes youre my idol i speak highly of you to friends for being in the game this long..peace out brotha

biff · « **Reply #28 on:** January 09, 2011, 12:08:00 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 06:02:32 AM

In all honesty fatpanda does take ALOT of "his" ideas from Arthur, and he is a prime example of what I'm talking about. If you fellas could stop being so goddamn emotional about fatpanda, and listen to his ACTUAL MESSAGE, and NOT FOCUS ON HIS LOOKS OR CHARACTER, then you might actually LEARN SOME TRUTH "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"

so just regurgitating what someone else says is enough to make one an expert?

would you feel comfortable going to a surgeon who said "ive never cut anyone before, but ive read all about it!"

dj181 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 09, 2011, 12:30:34 PM »

That's not a valid point biff, the question is... IS WHAT THE PERSON CLAIMS TO BE TRUE. For example, if someone says 2+2=4 then it doesn't matter if you like him or don't like him, what matters is that what he said is true, 2+2 does equal 4

biff · « **Reply #30 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:36:19 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 12:30:34 PM

That's not a valid point biff, the question is... IS WHAT THE PERSON CLAIMS TO BE TRUE. For example, if someone says 2+2=4 then it doesn't matter if you like him or don't like him, what matters is that what he said is true, 2+2 does equal 4

well, he is proving that kit kats + weak workouts = fatass, so i guess you are correct

biff · « **Reply #31 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:43:35 PM »

i dont know what you do in your life...my experience is that when you make a claim or give advice, people generally want you to be able to back it up.

i have never heard of anyone eating whatever they want - candies included - and getting themselves in good shape. meaning lean, AND muscular, not just losing weight but being a smaller version of themselves when they were in crap shape.

i actually hope fatpanda proves us all wrong, and proves that we can get ripped on a loose diet.

dj181 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:55:48 PM »

Well man, I actually did it, and in fact, at this very moment my "diet" consists of gummi bears, chocolate chip cookies, scrambled eggs with cheese, chicken breasts, black coffee and red bull, and I'm getting leaner by the day

And what is rather increadible is that my push muscles (chest, delts, and tris) are actually getting stronger

Yeah man, I am shocked that I'm getting stronger while I am simultaniously getting leaner, but fuck it, I'll take what I can get

FYI, I DO TRAIN MY ASS OFF, so I'm certain that is EXACTLY why I can make such great progress on a "gummi bears, red bull, and scrambled egg" diet

biff · « **Reply #33 on:** January 09, 2011, 03:28:58 PM »

as i said, prove it

lets see your results, or someone else that has followed these methods and achieved results

like i said, i hope you guys are correct, but so far all we have as 'proof' is fatpands pics :/

dj181 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 09, 2011, 03:34:23 PM »

Well man, if you really want to see the proof then search "Me at my peak" and then you will see the results that I achieved on this "diet" some years back. Yeah, I'm a twink, but in that photo I was a legit sub-6

PJim · « **Reply #35 on:** January 09, 2011, 04:35:48 PM »

I've just recently started dieting JF, down from 218 to 195. I'll put some pics up once I'm sliced.

dj181 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 09, 2011, 04:41:30 PM »

So are you saying that you're gonna drink tons of fruit juice, and eat tons of rice, and get ripped following the Falcons juice and rice diet, PJim?

dj181 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 09, 2011, 04:44:01 PM »

Oops! Scrath that last post PJim, I misread what you said. It must be all this hard training of mine is fucking up my brain

PJim · « **Reply #38 on:** January 09, 2011, 04:50:27 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 04:44:01 PM

Oops! Scrath that last post PJim, I misread what you said. It must be all this hard training of mine is fucking up my brain

Na brother, I'm on a pretty normal diet, low fat, high carbs and 100 or so grams of protein. I can go a very long time without training and not lose muscular bulk so I don't train too much whilst in a deficit, 100g is enough for me to lean up, maintain and gain.

dj181 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 09, 2011, 06:14:03 PM »

Sounds to me like you know what you're talking bout PJim

So, I'm curious, how long can you go without training and still hold on to your muscle? I can go about 2 and a half weeks, before I start regressing, and losing size and strength.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #40 on:** January 09, 2011, 06:19:23 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 06:14:03 PM

Sounds to me like you know what you're talking bout PJim So, I'm curious, how long can you go without training and still hold on to your muscle? I can go about 2 and a half weeks, before I start regressing, and losing size and strength.

14 days maximum.

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #41 on:** January 09, 2011, 06:25:05 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 05:43:56 AM

I gotta throw in wit da Coach on dis one, just because someone is in shape and "looks good" doesn't qualify them as an expert, case in point... Mr. Arthur Jones. If you saw his pic you would think WTF, BUT... Da dude pwns ALL as far as training knowledge goes

This my mentor, for the ten or so years I make a trip at least every couple of years to spend a week at his facility. Like I've said, you don't have to look the part to be the best...

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #42 on:** January 09, 2011, 06:28:30 PM »

PJim · « **Reply #43 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:22:27 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 06:14:03 PM

Sounds to me like you know what you're talking bout PJim So, I'm curious, how long can you go without training and still hold on to your muscle? I can go about 2 and a half weeks, before I start regressing, and losing size and strength.

In all honesty, months. I've recently had around 8 weeks off and my last session my strength was slightly improved.

dj181 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:33:56 PM »

Wow man, that's pretty incredible! For some reason I think that really strong and heavily muscled guys can go much longer without training before they start to regress and lose strength and/or size.

PJim · « **Reply #45 on:** January 09, 2011, 07:42:31 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 09, 2011, 07:33:56 PM

Wow man, that's pretty incredible! For some reason I think that really strong and heavily muscled guys can go much longer without training before they start to regress and lose strength and/or size.

Probably true, strength is one of those things you can build, but natural strength is with you from a young age. I was pressing triple the weight of some of the guys who were older than me at school on my first gym sesh. I do have my days where I feel weak, but it's usually because I'm still healing from the last workout.

dj181 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 10, 2011, 06:17:21 AM »

Just curious, are you fimilar with Mike Mentzer's training theories? Personally, I use HIT style training, except that I tweak it a bit, and just use 1 compound exercise per body part for 3 to 4 work sets, and no isolation work except for shrugs and calf raises. Anyway, I'm just curious if you are fimiliar with Mentzer's ideologies?

PJim · « **Reply #47 on:** January 10, 2011, 05:42:08 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 10, 2011, 06:17:21 AM

Just curious, are you fimilar with Mike Mentzer's training theories? Personally, I use HIT style training, except that I tweak it a bit, and just use 1 compound exercise per body part for 3 to 4 work sets, and no isolation work except for shrugs and calf raises. Anyway, I'm just curious if you are fimiliar with Mentzer's ideologies?

Of course, I go between his principled workout and consolidated all the time and have made non-stop improvements for four years. Great man.

dj181 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 10, 2011, 05:57:01 PM »

That's cool man, so have you gained equally well all over your body? I ask coz it seems that others who follow his methods, particularly the CR lose arm size. Also, it seems that other make decent gains of their wheels, but not so much on their upper bodies.

PJim · « **Reply #49 on:** January 10, 2011, 07:02:05 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on January 10, 2011, 05:57:01 PM

That's cool man, so have you gained equally well all over your body? I ask coz it seems that others who follow his methods, particularly the CR lose arm size. Also, it seems that other make decent gains of their wheels, but not so much on their upper bodies.

I've put on size equally, but arms and back have probably seen the most improvement. Calves have gained 4 inches and I've literally trained them a handful of times in 4 years.